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Who Is The Nazi?

Take a look at the cartoon below.

Doesn't it look like something right out of Nazi Germany when the Nazis were in power? 

If you don't know much about what that looked like, do the following. Type (copy/paste) into Google, or hell, any search engine:

antisemitic propaganda in nazi germany

Then click on "Images."

Then look.

Now look at the cartoon below.

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Who would publish that today?

Well... Doesn't that look like something right out of The Daily Stormer or some other Neo-Nazi white power publication?

It wasn't them, though. Not them... nor anyone like them.

That thing was first published in the New York Times international edition last Thursday.

After a shit-storm, the New York Times took down what they could and, finally, a few days later, issued an apology--on Twitter. They also said they don't know how that could have happened, blah blah blah...

But think of it.

Jew-hating Nazi-like picture propaganda.

The New York Times.

International edition...

Featured...

Let that sink in...

Michael

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2 hours ago, anthony said:

Tony,

Interesting quote:

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Why aren't most American Jews troubled by the Times' cartoon? Why were all American Jews horrified by the anti-Semitic shootings at the California synagogue this past weekend, while most barely had their feathers ruffled by the anti-Semitic cartoon in one of the most influential media in America?

The answer is most American Jews, while ethnically Jewish, are ethically leftist.

That makes sense, but I wonder why being leftie is so prevalent within the Jewish culture...

I wonder if it has something with public displays of piety and compassion. These are highly valued within the Jewish community and, apparently, taught as traditional. When I read the Bible all the way through, I noticed they were one of the practices Jesus ranted against when they were used as a cover for hypocrisy.

Lefties always prefer to do charity with someone else's money. And they want other people to fix the situations of victims in their widely touted victimization stories, never themselves. They just want to oversee it all while talking about how virtuous they are.

I see common ground here.

Anywho, one ethnically Jewish leftie lawyer is having a cow over this cartoon: Alan Dershowitz.

Dershowitz: Anti-Semitic cartoons, anti-Semitic synagogue shootings

 

 

 

Back to the New York Times.

Isn't it morally uplifting they replaced the Jew-dog cartoon of Netanyahu with the following?:

 

:evil: 

You can't make this up.

btw - Here is a history lesson: Jews leading Winston Churchill.

 

One other comment. It's not just many modern Jews who are looking at the NYT cartoons with a yawn.

I don't think most of the Jews in Poland and Germany before WWII paid too much attention to the cartoons at first, either.

Michael

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On 4/29/2019 at 5:19 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Who Is The Nazi?

Take a look at the cartoon below.

Doesn't it look like something right out of Nazi Germany when the Nazis were in power? 

If you don't know much about what that looked like, do the following. Type (copy/paste) into Google, or hell, any search engine:

antisemitic propaganda in nazi germany

Then click on "Images."

Then look.

Now look at the cartoon below.

04.29.2019-15.39.png

Who would publish that today?

Well... Doesn't that look like something right out of The Daily Stormer or some other Neo-Nazi white power publication?

It wasn't them, though. Not them... nor anyone like them.

That thing was first published in the New York Times international edition last Thursday.

After a shit-storm, the New York Times took down what they could and, finally, a few days later, issued an apology--on Twitter. They also said they don't know how that could have happened, blah blah blah...

But think of it.

Jew-hating Nazi-like picture propaganda.

The New York Times.

International edition...

Featured...

Let that sink in...

Michael

There is a subliminal anti-semitism wired into our culture.  Mostly it is out of site, but it is always there. One might think the Right Wingers would be most likely to manifest this attitude, but  not so.  Anit-semitism is alive and ill in the camp of the liberal progressives.  And I think know why.  Jews have overcome the disadvantages of their marginal position in our society primarily on their own initiative and effort.  In short, they did not need the government to manage the problem.  The fact that Jews have succeeded without government largess and assistance is proof positive that the the assumption government is needed to overcome  racism and bigotry  is  a canard.  And this pisses the Liberal Progressives off mightily. 

 

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I suspect that cartoon was directed at Europe and a much deeper anti Semitism than exists here. In other words, the Times delivered the goods to its customers. Gail Wynand was comparatively a tyro.

--Brant 

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Michael, 

You might know that Judaism is "ethno-religious", part race and part religion. Which means that one can renounce the religion and religious practice but will remain in all eyes, Jewish. Kind of, you can run but you can't hide. Where does that exist, that an ex-Christian, for instance, is considered an 'atheist'-Christian or Christian-secularist? Ha. He is simply "atheist". Briefly, on their ethics, many Jews have always been talented in word/concept careers, then, many of those lean to social metaphysics and involved themselves with minority movements, civil rights and so on. Seeing in other oppressed groups a "victimhood", reminded them what their own people went through historically - fine, so far as it goes -  therefore we notice how they have disproportionately succeeded in law, politics, the news media, movie production, publishing, music, lecturing, philosophy, etc, - from wherever they have influence in a society for "the good"- as they see it. I don't want to leave the impression this is some larger Jewish conspiracy, however - those initiatives or career choices more likely arose from each one's personal conviction, abilities and feeling for others. Not to add, often for the money and prestige. But, "good intentions"-  pave the road to - we know where.  Like every Leftist with holier than thou, moral righteousness, the Left-progressive Jew needs to impose his Utopian vision on all, or short of this, like a Pyramid scheme that is not constantly getting larger, it must collapse, he believes . For that, as every Leftist knows, one needs the political power base to dominate a society. Always, for "the good". (Not every Left leaning Jew fits in here - one principled, independent exception I've read is Allan Dershowitz).

What has been happening lately is things coming to a head, I think. Old uncertainties about their acceptance and safety in several countries are returning with a vengeance. There've been, broadly, two opposing camps in Jewry, those who badly want to be perceived as fully assimilated into a country, loyal citizens which, to be just and factual, all Jews are and have forever been, in whichever country they landed up, (most of all the US) and have forsworn Israel (and that recent accusation of double loyalty) at every opportunity -- and those who see the past repeating itself and seeing the urgent need of an independent haven for any Jews, present and future. This second view is being increasingly proven correct, with pressure coming on Jews from three fronts, of which I believe and have been arguing for years, the neo-fascist Right to be the least of their worries. 

The worst and immoral part, is the actions of the former: appeasingly undermining - "sacrificing" - the latter in order to gain cheap approval from the international, Israel-hating Left. (We are not like ~those~ Jews, the "Zionists"). The irony is that, despite their efforts, their brother and sister Leftists have been lately turning on them in several nations, and Progressive Jews find themselves being abandoned in favor of the new kids on the block, neo-Islamists, with the future power bloc and numbers they represent. "Numbers"- "power" - "collectives", above principles, is what the New Left is all about. 

Britain and its Labour Party, once strongly supported by English Jews, now embracing jihadis, is a good case in point. The irony is Britain's and Europe's Leftist Jews, along with conservative Jews, are discovering they could well badly have need for Israel, after all, after trashing the country for decades - recently suffering abuse and growing attacks in the streets of Manchester, Brussels and Paris etc., many are already escaping there. There are close similarities with the 'soft'-liberal Jews in South Africa, although they are largely pro-Israel, with gathering anti-Semitic rhetoric emanating from this ANC government.

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From the New York Times:

Our International Edition Will Stop Publishing Syndicated Cartoons
The change comes after two syndicated cartoons published in The New York Times International Edition were condemned as anti-Semitic.

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The New York Times International Edition will no longer publish syndicated editorial cartoons, a Times spokesperson said Tuesday, after the Opinion section of that edition last week printed two syndicated cartoons that elicited charges of anti-Semitism.

The cartoons were published days apart, one on Thursday and one in the weekend edition.

“The cartoon that ran in the international print edition of The Times last Thursday was clearly anti-Semitic and indefensible and we apologize for its publication,” the spokesperson said.

The spokesperson said of the second cartoon, “While we don’t think this cartoon falls into that category, for now, we’ve decided to suspend the future publication of syndicated cartoons.”

The Times’s international print edition circulates outside the United States. It once ran a mixture of syndicated and original cartoons. But under the change, it will become like the United States edition of The Times, which runs only original cartoons.

 

They don't think the second cartoon was anti-Semitic.

In isolation, maybe a case could be made. But in context, it stinks.

The world had just taken a dump on NYT for the first cartoon, which it admits was "anti-Semitic and indefensible." That's the context.

I betcha nobody got fired. And I further betcha the contract with the cartoon company was not altered. I speculate it might even have received a bump in its fees for the inconvenience.

It's obvious that many folks over there are bigots who hate Jews.

Michael

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6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I betcha nobody got fired.

Well, there's a workaround.

New York Times Publisher Relents: All Staff Must Attend Antisemitism Sensitivity Training

This way they don't have to fire the anti-Semitic editor, the bigot who chose the cartoons.

At least, that seems to be the plan.

I wonder if the employees taking the sensitivity training will be laughing their asses off during the classes...

Michael

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Well, there's a workaround.

New York Times Publisher Relents: All Staff Must Attend Antisemitism Sensitivity Training

This way they don't have to fire the anti-Semitic editor, the bigot who chose the cartoons.

At least, that seems to be the plan.

I wonder if the employees taking the sensitivity training will be laughing their asses off during the classes... 

Michael

Who were the worst to minorities like the Jews, the Russians or the Germans? Of course most would say the Germans because their hatred wasn’t of “a class,” but of whole ethnic minorities which included just about anyone who wasn’t “pure” like them . . .  including The Gypsy’s if I remember history. Brrr. But the Russians were haters too. Peter

"The Goddess of the Market,” by Jennifer Burns: “Before the Russian Revolution, Rand’s family, the Rosenbaums had to suffer thru pogroms and anti-Semitism during the Czarist Regime. Mobs chased Jews down the streets and Jewish heads were cracked. Jewish shop windows had bricks thrown through them. There were restrictions on Jews going to college. Ayn’s grandfather, her Mom’s Dad, was a tailor to the Army, thankfully, which gave them great personal safety. However, as a child can you imagine the fear and trauma she must have suffered?” . . . . If the Czars were bad, what horrors awaited them after The Communist Revolution! A closet for an apartment, a young Ayn teaching red soldiers to read, carrying water up to their apartment in buckets and no electricity. “Rusty nails on the walls, showed the places, where old paintings had hung. So little food, she was a hungry adolescent girl. Ayn remembers begging her Mom for (literally) their last dried chick pea to stave off hunger. And from Page 14: “At parties hostesses could offer their guests only dubious delicacies, such as potato skin cookies and tea with saccharine tablets instead of sugar.”

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From Time: Israel Marks Holocaust Remembrance Day Amid Rising Wave of Anti-Semitism Worldwide, By ISABEL DEBRE / AP May 1, 2019 (JERUSALEM) — Israel on Wednesday began commemorating its Holocaust Remembrance Day in honor of the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis, as leaders voiced concerns about a rising wave of anti-Semitism around the world.

In emotional addresses to an opening ceremony at Israel’s national Holocaust memorial, the country’s ceremonial president warned the government against getting too close to far right parties in Europe, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that last weekend’s deadly synagogue shooting in San Diego was the latest reminder of growing anti-Semitic hatred.

The 24-hour remembrance period began at sundown with the main ceremony at Jerusalem’s Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial, and came just hours after Israeli researchers reported that violent attacks against Jews rose significantly last year. This spike, highlighted by the San Diego attack, was most dramatic in western Europe.

President Reuven Rivlin warned of anti-Semitism in Europe, which he said “is once again raising its head, fueled by waves of immigration, by economic crises, and by disillusionment with the political establishment.” In veiled criticism of Netanyahu, he urged the government to be cautious about forging alliances with the far-right parties in Europe. “Every country and society has the legitimate right and even the duty to choose its policy and to protect its identity. Not every right-wing party in Europe that believes in controlling immigration or in protecting its unique character is anti-Semitic or xenophobic,” Rivlin said. “But political forces where anti-Semitism and racism are part of their language, their legacy or their ideology can never be our allies. No interest and no consideration of realpolitik can justify a dishonorable alliance with racist groups or elements who do not acknowledge their past and their responsibility for the crimes of the Holocaust,” he added.

Rivlin did not identify any particular countries. But Netanyahu has come under criticism for embracing a string of eastern European leaders who have offered strong political support to Israel while promoting a distorted image of the Holocaust. A slew of former communist nations whose leaders recently visited Israel and paid their respects at Yad Vashem, such as Hungary, Lithuania and Poland, are swept up in a wave of World War II-era revisionism that seeks to diminish their culpability in the Holocaust while making heroes out of anti-Soviet nationalists involved in the mass killing of Jews. In Israel, established in the wake of the Nazi genocide of 6 million Jews, many say Netanyahu is cynically betraying the victims’ memory.

Netanyahu, meanwhile, warned of rising anti-Semitic extremism as well. He said that the extreme right, extreme left and radical Islam agree on “one thing: their hatred of Jews.” He noted the deadly synagogue shootings in San Diego last weekend and in Pittsburgh last October as well as vandalism at Jewish cemeteries. He also took aim at a recent political cartoon in the New York Times’ international edition, saying that even “respected newspapers” have gotten swept up in the trend. “We’re not talking about legitimate criticism of Israel,” he said, “but of systematic, poisonous and shallow hatred.”

Holocaust Remembrance day is one of the most melancholy days on Israel’s calendar. Places of entertainment and cafes are closed. TV and radio stations broadcast Holocaust documentaries and interviews with survivors or somber music until sundown the next day.

Israelis come to a mournful, two-minute standstill to remember the dead Thursday morning when sirens wail across the country. Pedestrians stop in their tracks. Cars pull over on roads and many people exit their vehicles to stand still in contemplation. The names of Holocaust victims are read out in parliament. Contact us at editors@time.com.

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On 5/1/2019 at 11:15 PM, Jon Letendre said:

I don't understand what the cartoon means, what it communicates.

At means  Natenyahu is leading blind  Donald  around  by a leash.

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2 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

At means  Natenyahu is leading blind  Donald  around  by a leash.

I thought that was Golda and not Bebe.

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4 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

At means  Natenyahu is leading blind  Donald  around  by a leash.

Does it need to be passed through a few more algorithms, or something?

People are saying it means hatred for every Jew, past, present and future.

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On 4/30/2019 at 1:20 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Anywho, one ethnically Jewish leftie lawyer is having a cow over this cartoon: Alan Dershowitz.

Dershowitz: Anti-Semitic cartoons, anti-Semitic synagogue shootings

Didn't anybody read this?

From Dershowitz's article:

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One of the weapons of hate against Jews deployed by Nazi Germany were cartoons and caricatures that depicted Jews as subhuman animals, often as dogs or spiders. So when The New York Times international edition published a cartoon over the weekend portraying Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a dog wearing a Star of David, its editors should not have been surprised at the outraged reaction to the controversy.

The New York Times is not some marginal newspaper that traditionally peddles bigoted cartoons. It is known for its careful editing and sensitivity concerning race and ethnicity. Its international edition is the American newspaper of record around the world, and particularly in Europe. So when it published a cartoon employing anti-Semitic tropes at a time of increasing anti-Semitism in Europe, that decision became newsworthy.

To be sure, the Times has now acknowledged that the decision was wrong and has apologized. But that is not enough. Its editors must explain how this bigoted cartoon made it into the print edition. Which editors approved its publication? What was their reasoning? Has there been accountability for what the Times acknowledges was a mistake? What steps have been taken to prevent a recurrence of this?

The reason this a big deal is not only that this was published in the Times. It is also because the cartoon is a sign of the times. Both in Europe and the United States, but especially in Europe, we see a dangerous phenomenon of increasing tolerance, especially on the left, of anti-Semitic tropes, images, and stereotypes so long as they are directed against Israel.

Even some left-wing Jewish publications are not exempt from this virus. The Forward published an opinion piece justifying a crude cartoon that ran in the official University of California at Berkeley newspaper, depicting me as a predatory spider stomping on innocent Palestinians. The headline on the Forward column was “No, that Alan Dershowitz cartoon wasn’t anti-Semitic.” The reason its editors gave is the cartoon is “true” because Israel does kill Palestinians and defenders of Israel, like me, are “deceptive.”

I am sure the editors of Der Sturmer, a Nazi propaganda tabloid published in Germany during World War II, offered similar justifications that there are some deceptive and violent Jews. The real issue, avoided by the Forward and by the Times editors who authorized publishing the cartoon, is the use of Der Sturmer type imagery dehumanizing Jews by depicting them as dogs and spiders that control the world by deception and violence.

There's more, but that's clear enough.

Antisemitism always grows into oppressive violence against Jews where it's allowed to grow for some goddam reason. This is historical and goes back centuries the world over. The pattern always starts with dehumanization and gross mockery of Jews injected into the culture from above. This is not a PC language thing. (Notice nobody cares much about the kooks on the fringe.) It's like the growls of a beast before an attack.

If I were Jewish, that is exactly what I would feel about such cartoons in the NYT.

To coin a phrase:

Jew Lives Matter.

:) 

Michael

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12 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

At means  Natenyahu is leading blind  Donald  around  by a leash.

I only saw sunglasses. What you say sounds right, though. Ok, blind Donald.

On his head — is that a distinctly Jewish cap?

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1 hour ago, Jon Letendre said:

I only saw sunglasses. What you say sounds right, though. Ok, blind Donald.

On his head — is that a distinctly Jewish cap?

Yup. It looks like a kippah

 

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2 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

Yup. It looks like a kippah

 

So that means asserting Trump is secretly a Jew. This presumably from things like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. When he announced the embassy my thought was that he had some mild screwing of Israel (or Jews, many) on the schedule and wanted to first win over as many Jews as possible. That way when he pulls the screwing out of his pocket he could defend: “The one and only US President to ever ...  embassy, Jerusalem ... so how dare you question my commitment to Jews ... “ When he announced support for Israel keeping the Golan my thought was — oh, so it’s going to be a moderate screwing, then. My sense is that soon the world learns that Israel has been up to some indefensible things, Trump will have to act, and it won’t go over well at all. Unless by the time it happens even the Left is convinced the man must be Jewish himself.

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On 5/1/2019 at 9:56 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
 
 
 
On 5/1/2019 at 9:56 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

 

It's obvious that many folks over there are bigots who hate Jews.

Michael

The first move in the direction of Jews despising other Jews was psychological, I think. At one stage, the self-loathing Jew was quite a common trope. A youngster gets brought up on the fact that he must beware of many people out there who hate Jews and will despise him, whatever they do and don't do. Eventually as he sees signs of this, he/she can become convinced that all of those people can't be wrong; surely they must have good cause? All the hatred 'must' be the fault of the Jews (their behavior, appearance, etc.). It's a sad loss of self to the collective irrationality of others, and such a person's self-image has to suffer. First he will turn secularist to distance himself from other Jews. The twisted contempt for himself, merely for being born into that race/religion will usually be transferred to all other Jews who haven't done as he, and worse, instead have found pride in a Jewish State where they seem to flaunt their Jewishness. 

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8 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

So that means asserting Trump is secretly a Jew. This presumably from things like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. When he announced the embassy my thought was that he had some mild screwing of Israel (or Jews, many) on the schedule and wanted to first win over as many Jews as possible. That way when he pulls the screwing out of his pocket he could defend: “The one and only US President to ever ...  embassy, Jerusalem ... so how dare you question my commitment to Jews ... “ When he announced support for Israel keeping the Golan my thought was — oh, so it’s going to be a moderate screwing, then. My sense is that soon the world learns that Israel has been up to some indefensible things, Trump will have to act, and it won’t go over well at all. Unless by the time it happens even the Left is convinced the man must be Jewish himself.

Golan is de facto a part of Israel since it was taken from Syria after they attacked. The Left and its media would prefer the strategic heights were still controlled by Syria. But the safety of Israeli territory and its international right of self-defense is hardly their concern. President Trump acted out of principle there with Golan, but also symbolically with the embassy move to the capital. I think he has a clearer idea than most of Israel's - overwhelming - defensive role in the grand scheme of things. Over 90 rockets fired from Gaza today. Somehow, this will be blamed on Israel. Leftists have strange ideas about causality. Shame, what else could Hamas do? (um, make peace?)

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15 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Antisemitism always grows into oppressive violence against Jews where it's allowed to grow for some goddam reason.

John Earnest, synagogue shooting suspect, is part of ‘history of evil,’ parents say

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In similar fashion to young Jews raised to watch out for people who won't accept or will hate them, but with opposite intent, young Muslims are regularly imbued and educated with despising Jews, pigs and dogs who need to be driven under, adults tell them. Not always, but enough of the time and in many places. Tacitly or overtly. We are not going to pinpoint the general and pervasive anti-Semitism, while tip-toeing around the actuality of Muslim anti-Semitism being perpetrated ideologically into the minds of millions of kids each day. With its normal moral cowardice, the Islamist-appeasing Left tries to pin anti-Semitic "bigotry" totally on the Right while making hypocritical noises on occasions of attacks. Christianity and Judaism, alike here, have to be removed or silenced for the Socialist/Islamist world order to come. Predictably, the feeble- and empty-minded leftist-progressive also, once he has served his purpose, will not long survive his zealous partners.

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On 5/4/2019 at 1:33 AM, Jon Letendre said:

So that means asserting Trump is secretly a Jew. This presumably from things like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. When he announced the embassy my thought was that he had some mild screwing of Israel (or Jews, many) on the schedule and wanted to first win over as many Jews as possible. That way when he pulls the screwing out of his pocket he could defend: “The one and only US President to ever ...  embassy, Jerusalem ... so how dare you question my commitment to Jews ... “ When he announced support for Israel keeping the Golan my thought was — oh, so it’s going to be a moderate screwing, then. My sense is that soon the world learns that Israel has been up to some indefensible things, Trump will have to act, and it won’t go over well at all. Unless by the time it happens even the Left is convinced the man must be Jewish himself.

Ask the cartoonist what it means.

 

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