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STUDY GROUP EXPLORING VARIOUS RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN EMPLOYERS-EMPLOYEES

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Continuing my journey to apply Objectivsm into Management, I have started a study group.

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OVERVIEW

The study will involve chapter 6, Organization, of the book "Reinventing Management: Organization Ethics from Objectivism". The chapter builds on the Employer-Employee and Employer-Employer relationships from chapter 3, Collaboration. Delving into relationships like creating complementary material values, skill building, wages, and Central Purpose of Life in a skewed social system.

Details of the study-group are here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/146490542953558/

The book can be bought here -  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MH79D18

Once the study is completed, I will convert the group into a discussion forum for working professionals. The forum will cover topics related to work environment and work culture, career and job related discussions, business counsel etc.

 

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Just posted following etiquettes for the upcoming study group.

Etiquette is the art of facilitating trade by applying principles and rules of behavior to social situations. In this case we are trading ideas on particular topic, and etiquettes deal with how we should post and interact in the thread.

Here are etiquettes designed specifically for study-group method of discussion.

1. THE NATURE OF POSTS IN THIS STUDY GROUP

a. Focus on the Text. The study-group is a text-focused series. This means each participant's weekly post should be either an outline of the text, a summary of the text, a "chewing" on some point in the text, an elaborated question about a point in the text; or an answer to the weekly optional questions about the text.

b. Unacceptable Substitutes. Not acceptable as core subjects of the main weekly posts are: personal comments; mere statements of agreement or disagreement; links to sources other than the particular text which is the object of study; criticisms of the author's style; or debate with the author. Any of these might be appropriate as an aside in the main weekly post.

c. Duplication. Duplication of form is not a problem. Even if, by unlikely accident, all participants were to write the same kind of post (e.g., a summary of the text assigned for the week), the content will inevitably be different.

d. Secondary Posts. Sometimes a secondary post (written after posting an outline, summary, etc. for the week) can increase learning about the text. Secondary posts are optional. Topics might include: showing a connection to another field; asking about the best study method to be employed for a certain text; or describing one's personal experiences with the subject of the text. Of course, these secondary topics, if very brief, can be woven into the primary post.

2. DO

Do address issues, not individual SGO members. If Mike says "X and Y and therefore Z," address his argument, summarized in your own words, but without naming him.

Do remember that no member has an obligation to respond to another member's questions, invitations, or comments.

Do edit for typographical errors.

3. DO NOT

Do not name other participants in your posts, but instead deal only with ideas. For example, you could write "The notion of 'necessity', as it is traditionally used, implies a false dichotomy of . . . ," instead of "John Smith's bizarre fantasy about 'necessity' in metaphysics . . . " or any other personalized statement.

Do not link to, name, or discuss individuals, websites, or ideas not relevant to the topic discussed in a study group.

Do not quote participants, but instead express their ideas in your own words.

IMPLEMENTING ETIQUETTES

I will be sending the message to the person in case I think the etiquette is violated. And he can edit accordingly, or reply back if there is misunderstanding.

These etiquettes are adapted from etiquettes of Burgess Laughlin's study-group.

Study Group Link is as follows:https://www.facebook.com/groups/146490542953558

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17 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

There is obviously no sense from you about knowing where you are.

---Brant

Rohin has been posting since 2017 but sparsely. He has little info on his page. Maybe he likes being a fan of Rand and objectivism without being a showy fan. Some of us have logos or pictures and some posters have their photos. Hmmm? I would say he is conservative, and the shirt looks American made to me, and Gupta sounds East Indian to my ear, but I don't plan on snooping further.   

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Pre-study started yesterday

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WEEK 0

CHAPTER 3 - COLLABORATION

1. Introduction

2. Business Collaborations

- Purely Transactional, Transactional and Contractual, Purely Contractual
- Employer-Employee relationship
- Employee-Employee relationship
- Employer-Employer relationship
- Cultural Relationship, Government-Businessman relationship

3. Conclusion
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I will publish questions that the participants can optionally answer. Participants can also summarize or outline the text. They can also select the portion of text, analyzing and synthesizing it deeply, chew the content that is.

So here are the questions from this week's content

Q1.) Which subject does business collaboration belong to? In this chapter what are we trying to resolve?

Q2.) Business collaborations are inferred based on which facts?

Q3.) Explain with examples, transactional form of business collaboration?

Q4.) Explain with examples, "transactional and contractual" form of business collaboration?

Q5.) Explain with examples, purely contractual form of business collaboration?

Q6.) What are similarities and differences between contractual relationship and employer-employee relationship?

Q7.) What is the problem with having a contractual relationship with house maid?

Q8.) What is the scope of employer-employee relationship?

Q9.) Explain with examples employee-employee relationship? 
Emphasis can be on key attributes of this relationship.

Q10.) Explain with examples employer-employer relationship? Emphasis can be on key attributes of this relationship.

Q11.) Explain with examples, cultural relationship businesses have?

Q12.) If possible, share examples and attributes ( both positive and negative ) of Government-Businessman relationship?

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Please check following links to get a glimpse of whats in store.

1. Study Group on intellectual development of Ayn Rand - http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/28351-ayn-rand-chapter-from-the-power-and-the-glory/

2. Study Group on how iPhone was conceptualized and developed - http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/29185-becoming-steve-jobs-how-a-reckless-upstart-became-a-visionary-leader/
 

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Good Morning, today is Saturday, 9th March. Main study starts now.
Following is the scope for this week’s study
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WEEK 1

1. PURPOSE AND SCOPE OF AN ORGANIZATION

2. VARIOUS CONNETIONS BETWEEN THE CENTRAL PURPOSE OF LIFE (CPL) OF THE EMPLOYER(S) AND EMPLOYEE

a.) Create value in same material form

b.) Create complementary values

c.) Learning work-specific skills

d.) Discovering the CPL

e.) Wages
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I will publish questions that the participants can optionally answer. Participants can also summarize or outline the text. They can also select the portion of text, analyzing and synthesizing it deeply, chew the content that is.
So here are the questions from this week's content

Q1.) Which relationships are deepest in an organization?

Q2.) From definition of an Organization, identify the key attributes of Organization, and list these in bullet points?

Q3.) What is the difference between an individual and an organization, when they engage in transactional or contractual relationship? What is the similarity?

Q4.) What can an employee do to become successful and happy?

Q5.) Summarize different forms of business collaborations, sorted according to their complexity in an Organization?
Q6.) What are different ways in which the business collaborations can be sorted in Organizational Ethics?

Q7.) What are similarities and differences between purpose of an Organization, and Central Purpose of Life for an Employee?

Q8.) Give examples of Purpose of various Organizations from the book and outside?

Q9.) What is the significance of Employee’s Central Purpose of Life in an Organization?

Q10.) Give an example of the connection of Employer-Employee CPLs from the book and outside?

Q11.) What does create value in same material form mean in the context of Industrial relation? Give example from book or outside.

Q12.) What does creation of complementary values mean in the context of Industrial relation? Give an example from book or outside?

Q13.) Under what circumstances is creation of complementary values part of Contractual relationship? When is it part of Employer-Employee relationship?

Q14.) What does learning work specific skill mean in the context of Industrial Relation? Give an example from book or outside.

Q15.) How does management of Employee having “learning work specific skill” as main goal in an organization change, compared to an employee having previous two CPLs?

Q16.) What does “Discovering CPL” mean in the context of Industrial relation? Give an example from book or outside?

Q17.) What is the opportunity for an Employer, if the employee is in “Discovery of CPL” stage?

Q18.) What does “wages” mean in context of Industrial relation? Give an example from book or outside?

Q19.) How does management of Employee having “wages” as the main goal in a job change, compared to employee having first three, or even “discovering CPL” as the goal in an Organization?

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Objectivism isn't applied into anything. That's ideological thinking. However, Rand would have  agreed with your approach. She even thought Objectivism could be applied into acting.

--Brant

it's reason, not Objectivism, and reason is usually assumed even today respecting your subject

so, you're fighting irrationality in management?

the price of being here on OL is engagement; it's not a dump; that's why I'm dumping on you

don't get me wrong, you are quite welcome here even in this way; I'm a cat and you're the new toy for that's the relationship you've chosen

rules of etiquette my ass; etiquette is social lubrication; I don't use lube, just get to the fucking point!

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Brant the Goose wrote: don't get me wrong, you are quite welcome here even in this way; I'm a cat and you're the new toy for that's the relationship you've chosen end quote

You look like an axe murderer in your icon. He looks like a Jeopardy champ. 

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Good Morning, today is Saturday, 16th March. Second part of the study-group starts now.

Following is the scope for this week’s study

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1. CONTINUING VARIOUS CONNETIONS BETWEEN THE CENTRAL PURPOSE OF LIFE(CPL) OF THE EMPLOYER(S) AND EMPLOYEE

a.) The CPL in a skewed social system.

2. Summary of apparent CPLs that do not subscribe to Objectivist Morality

3. Employer-Employee relationship in Government Jobs

4. Conclusion
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I will publish questions that the participants can optionally answer. Participants can also summarize or outline the text. They can also select the portion of text, analyzing and synthesizing it deeply, chew the content that is.

So here are the questions from this week's content
(CPL = Central Purpose of Life.)

Q1.) What does “skewed social system” refer to in this book? Compare it to Totalitarian system?

Q2.) What does “CPL in skewed social system” mean in the context of Industrial Relations? Give example from outside.

Q3.) What is common between the CPLs discussed up to the apparent CPLs?

Q4.) What are two apparent CPLs discussed here?

Q5.) Contrast “hobby first” approach from “Wages” part of Employer-Employee relationship?

Q6.) Why are we studying apparent CPLs? Also share your experience of these apparent CPLs in your professional lives?

Q7.) Explain psychological variations of apparent CPLs?

Q8.) What do you think of “making as much money as possible” as a CPL?

Q9.) Why should we study Employer-Employee relationship in government jobs? What is the approach that should be taken for this study?

Q10.) Apart from what government ought to do, what else one needs to know, for understanding employer-employee relationship in government jobs?

Q11.) What is the right role of government in the society?

Q12.) What are the different activities governments have done in society? (May or may not be derived from right role of government in the society).

Q13.) What are various drivers of government and government employees? Give examples.

Q14.) How should constitutional driver be evaluated? Give examples from book or outside.

Q15.) Which role in private organization can be compared to a role of politician in the society?

Q17.) What should be done about the activities that government should not be doing in the society? Give examples from book or outside.

Q18.) How should taxpayers driver of Government jobs be evaluated?

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