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Introducing For The Children...

As of this writing, there has been a lot of recent news on exposing and cleaning up child abuse, especially sexual abuse and human trafficking. This has been due to the efforts of President Trump and his administration. 

Here on OL, we have discussed this in several threads, but there is nowhere to specifically discuss pedophilia and the like. Now there is. Over time, and as time permits, I will find the more interesting posts, create new threads in this section, and copy them to these new threads. However, I will leave the original posts where they are for the integrity of older discussions.

One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites. They can be blackmailed by exposure. In other words, anyone with the right information on such people, that is, ones who hold power and influence, can get them to support political policies and exercise influence dictated by the blackmailers. This covers politics, news, entertainment, and any field that impacts our culture.

But most of all, the damage to the children by pedophies and other chald abusers is something that breaks my heart.

Michael

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I have known several victims over the years.  One barrier that I have encountered is that, engineer that I am, I want to understand why this happens.  But victims are very resistant to that.  Perhaps they think I mean that the perpetrators "just need a little understanding".  What I actually have in mind is things like gathering knowledge that would enable us to predict who might become a perpetrator, and using that to warn potential victims what to watch out for.  Another issue would be to figure out if this is a permanent sexual orientation, perhaps one beyond the person's control, as homosexuality appears to be.    In that case permanently segregating offenders in pleasant communities (Catholic monasteries?-) might make more sense than treating them like criminals for 15 years and then turning them loose.  I think we have made great strides in awareness of the problem and in listening to victims, but very little progress in solving the problem.

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7 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites. They can be blackmailed by exposure. In other words, anyone with the right information on such people, that is, ones who hold power and influence, can get them to support political policies and exercise influence dictated by the blackmailers. This covers politics, news, entertainment, and any field that impacts our culture.

Dennis Hastert had zero political potential, he was a school coach. He was abusing boys. Someone or some gang found that out, blackmailed him, turned him into their puppet and installed him in Washington as Speaker of the House. His whole time in Washington, he was a slave to the people who engineered this. This issue goes down to the integrity of our government, the future of our republic.

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Bob wrote: What I actually have in mind is things like gathering knowledge that would enable us to predict who might become a perpetrator, and using that to warn potential victims what to watch out for. end quote

I have heard of some evidence that abused children become abusers. Contrarily, I have heard that being a pedophile is genetic. I think kids would be the logical “tattle tales” to root out evil. They will need the tools and sympathetic, adult ears to be of assistance. There will certainly be a percentage of “reports” that are bogus, so there would need to be a way for kids to inform on abusers that does not label them as such. How could that be done?

Peter 

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10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.

MSK,

Can you prove this claim?

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Peter, a couple of the victims I know DID tell adults but were not believed.  So, we can work on the adults to at least consider what children say, and to educate them.  For example, adults  need to know that most abusers are trusted people close to home, not big wigs in the entertainment industry that their children will never meet, or old guys in the park wearing raincoats on a sunny day.  .  Also, if parents give their children more guidance on where to draw lines, the children will feel more confident in identifying and reporting transgressions, and may see trouble before it becomes big trouble.  I'd want to say something about "secrets" too though I'm not sure what.  Those create huge conflicts for victims, and a home with secrets is a scary place. 

AFAIK I have only met one abuser.  I only found out years later, but before that I thought that he seemed really good with children, but not with adult women, nor did he have many adult friends.  This seems consistent with something MSK said about abusers learning to be really good with children so they could get close.  So it seems that one thing we might be wary of is people whose human relationships are very skewed toward children. 

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That is disgusting. I saw a cop show recently where a perpetrator for a different crime had his computer searched and they found evidence of other crimes. Perhaps that should always be done.  And I like the idea of cameras near places where kids go. London has 80,000 cameras, and it is hard to monitor that large a number without AI, but after a crime is committed investigators could go back personally and look at the relevant cameras.  

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On 7/21/2018 at 11:25 AM, KorbenDallas said:

MSK,

Can you prove this claim?

 

MSK’s claim: “One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.”

 

How would you say that is going, Korben? I ask sincerely. It has been a year and three months since you asked for proof and a lot of evidence has since come in about the elites and how abuse of children ties them together. You have followed postings here about Epstein, Bill Gates, Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, MIT, etc., etc.?

Are you as skeptical as the first time you heard the assertion?

How would you rate the plausibility or the truth-status of the assertion today?

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FYI, In case anyone still thought tor browsing and bitcoin provided anonymity ... 

Bricks being shat worldwide as we discuss this. 🤣

“IRS-CI was able to trace bitcoin transactions on the site to people all over the world who were uploading and downloading this material, as well as find the location of the site administrator. By analyzing the blockchain and de-anonymizing bitcoin transactions, the agency was able to identify hundreds of predators around the world – even though those users thought that they could remain anonymous.

As a result of the investigations, Jong Woo Son, 23, a South Korean national, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the District of Columbia for operating the site. Son has also been charged and convicted in South Korea and is currently in custody in South Korea. The operation resulted in the seizure of approximately 7.5 terabytes of child pornography videos, the largest of its kind: that’s more than 10,000 CDs full of imagery that are no longer in the hands of child pornographers. The images, which are being analyzed by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), contained over 250,000 unique videos; 45% of the videos contain images that have not been previously known to exist.

The data from the seized server was shared with law enforcement agencies around the world. This has resulted in leads sent to 38 countries. In addition to Son, 337 site users residing in 23 states (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Washington State) and Washington, D.C. ,as well as the United Kingdom, South Korea, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the Czech Republic, Canada, Ireland, Spain, Brazil and Australia have been arrested and charged. Two users of the Darknet market committed suicide after the execution of search warrants.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2019/10/16/irs-followed-bitcoin-transactions-resulting-in-takedown-of-the-largest-child-exploitation-site-on-the-web/

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On 10/17/2019 at 1:02 PM, Jon Letendre said:

 

MSK’s claim: “One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.”

 

How would you say that is going, Korben? I ask sincerely. It has been a year and three months since you asked for proof and a lot of evidence has since come in about the elites and how abuse of children ties them together. You have followed postings here about Epstein, Bill Gates, Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, MIT, etc., etc.?

Are you as skeptical as the first time you heard the assertion?

How would you rate the plausibility or the truth-status of the assertion today?

Korben?

You saw how the media giants squashed the Jeffrey Epstein story years before his arrest?

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16 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

You saw how the media giants squashed the Jeffrey Epstein story years before his arrest?

Jon,

Then the ruling class (the masters of the media giants) killed Epstein so he wouldn't sing once he was cornered, and they squashed the story of that.

Michael

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