Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Introducing For The Children... As of this writing, there has been a lot of recent news on exposing and cleaning up child abuse, especially sexual abuse and human trafficking. This has been due to the efforts of President Trump and his administration. Here on OL, we have discussed this in several threads, but there is nowhere to specifically discuss pedophilia and the like. Now there is. Over time, and as time permits, I will find the more interesting posts, create new threads in this section, and copy them to these new threads. However, I will leave the original posts where they are for the integrity of older discussions. One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites. They can be blackmailed by exposure. In other words, anyone with the right information on such people, that is, ones who hold power and influence, can get them to support political policies and exercise influence dictated by the blackmailers. This covers politics, news, entertainment, and any field that impacts our culture. But most of all, the damage to the children by pedophies and other chald abusers is something that breaks my heart. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bob_hayden Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I have known several victims over the years. One barrier that I have encountered is that, engineer that I am, I want to understand why this happens. But victims are very resistant to that. Perhaps they think I mean that the perpetrators "just need a little understanding". What I actually have in mind is things like gathering knowledge that would enable us to predict who might become a perpetrator, and using that to warn potential victims what to watch out for. Another issue would be to figure out if this is a permanent sexual orientation, perhaps one beyond the person's control, as homosexuality appears to be. In that case permanently segregating offenders in pleasant communities (Catholic monasteries?-) might make more sense than treating them like criminals for 15 years and then turning them loose. I think we have made great strides in awareness of the problem and in listening to victims, but very little progress in solving the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites. They can be blackmailed by exposure. In other words, anyone with the right information on such people, that is, ones who hold power and influence, can get them to support political policies and exercise influence dictated by the blackmailers. This covers politics, news, entertainment, and any field that impacts our culture. Dennis Hastert had zero political potential, he was a school coach. He was abusing boys. Someone or some gang found that out, blackmailed him, turned him into their puppet and installed him in Washington as Speaker of the House. His whole time in Washington, he was a slave to the people who engineered this. This issue goes down to the integrity of our government, the future of our republic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bob wrote: What I actually have in mind is things like gathering knowledge that would enable us to predict who might become a perpetrator, and using that to warn potential victims what to watch out for. end quote I have heard of some evidence that abused children become abusers. Contrarily, I have heard that being a pedophile is genetic. I think kids would be the logical “tattle tales” to root out evil. They will need the tools and sympathetic, adult ears to be of assistance. There will certainly be a percentage of “reports” that are bogus, so there would need to be a way for kids to inform on abusers that does not label them as such. How could that be done? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites. MSK, Can you prove this claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, KorbenDallas said: Can you prove this claim? Korben, What do you think this new section is all about? Stick around if you are truly interested... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Donald Trump in 2012. Now he is president. 2 + 2 = ? Got to do something about these missing chidlren grabbed by the perverts. Too many incidents--fast trial, death penalty.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 8, 2012 Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bob_hayden Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Peter, a couple of the victims I know DID tell adults but were not believed. So, we can work on the adults to at least consider what children say, and to educate them. For example, adults need to know that most abusers are trusted people close to home, not big wigs in the entertainment industry that their children will never meet, or old guys in the park wearing raincoats on a sunny day. . Also, if parents give their children more guidance on where to draw lines, the children will feel more confident in identifying and reporting transgressions, and may see trouble before it becomes big trouble. I'd want to say something about "secrets" too though I'm not sure what. Those create huge conflicts for victims, and a home with secrets is a scary place. AFAIK I have only met one abuser. I only found out years later, but before that I thought that he seemed really good with children, but not with adult women, nor did he have many adult friends. This seems consistent with something MSK said about abusers learning to be really good with children so they could get close. So it seems that one thing we might be wary of is people whose human relationships are very skewed toward children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 That is disgusting. I saw a cop show recently where a perpetrator for a different crime had his computer searched and they found evidence of other crimes. Perhaps that should always be done. And I like the idea of cameras near places where kids go. London has 80,000 cameras, and it is hard to monitor that large a number without AI, but after a crime is committed investigators could go back personally and look at the relevant cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 7/21/2018 at 11:25 AM, KorbenDallas said: MSK, Can you prove this claim? MSK’s claim: “One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.” How would you say that is going, Korben? I ask sincerely. It has been a year and three months since you asked for proof and a lot of evidence has since come in about the elites and how abuse of children ties them together. You have followed postings here about Epstein, Bill Gates, Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, MIT, etc., etc.? Are you as skeptical as the first time you heard the assertion? How would you rate the plausibility or the truth-status of the assertion today? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 FYI, In case anyone still thought tor browsing and bitcoin provided anonymity ... Bricks being shat worldwide as we discuss this. “IRS-CI was able to trace bitcoin transactions on the site to people all over the world who were uploading and downloading this material, as well as find the location of the site administrator. By analyzing the blockchain and de-anonymizing bitcoin transactions, the agency was able to identify hundreds of predators around the world – even though those users thought that they could remain anonymous. “As a result of the investigations, Jong Woo Son, 23, a South Korean national, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the District of Columbia for operating the site. Son has also been charged and convicted in South Korea and is currently in custody in South Korea. The operation resulted in the seizure of approximately 7.5 terabytes of child pornography videos, the largest of its kind: that’s more than 10,000 CDs full of imagery that are no longer in the hands of child pornographers. The images, which are being analyzed by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), contained over 250,000 unique videos; 45% of the videos contain images that have not been previously known to exist. “The data from the seized server was shared with law enforcement agencies around the world. This has resulted in leads sent to 38 countries. In addition to Son, 337 site users residing in 23 states (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Washington State) and Washington, D.C. ,as well as the United Kingdom, South Korea, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the Czech Republic, Canada, Ireland, Spain, Brazil and Australia have been arrested and charged. Two users of the Darknet market committed suicide after the execution of search warrants.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2019/10/16/irs-followed-bitcoin-transactions-resulting-in-takedown-of-the-largest-child-exploitation-site-on-the-web/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 1:02 PM, Jon Letendre said: MSK’s claim: “One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.” How would you say that is going, Korben? I ask sincerely. It has been a year and three months since you asked for proof and a lot of evidence has since come in about the elites and how abuse of children ties them together. You have followed postings here about Epstein, Bill Gates, Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, MIT, etc., etc.? Are you as skeptical as the first time you heard the assertion? How would you rate the plausibility or the truth-status of the assertion today? Korben? You saw how the media giants squashed the Jeffrey Epstein story years before his arrest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: You saw how the media giants squashed the Jeffrey Epstein story years before his arrest? Jon, Then the ruling class (the masters of the media giants) killed Epstein so he wouldn't sing once he was cornered, and they squashed the story of that. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 7/21/2018 at 11:25 AM, KorbenDallas said: MSK, Can you prove this claim? Korben? Korbennn?? We spent a year and a half proving the claim and you say nothing? WTF is with you? Korben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Check it out, Korben! The person who runs the largest school district in America rapes children. Was it you or Carol who assured us this issue is confined to some families and absolutely not a serious public issue? Neither of you say much of anything here anymore and I can’t remember which Shit-for-Brains it was. But that is still what you think, isn’t it? And that I am a dangerous, hateful person for insisting otherwise — is that all still correct, Shit-for-Brains? https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/top-doe-official-busted-for-allegedly-trying-to-set-up-sex-with-underage-boy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Good investigation from the BBC: How a boy from Vietnam became a slave on a UK cannabis farm Quote It was a horrifying death for the 39 Vietnamese nationals found in the back of a trailer in an industrial park in Essex, in October last year. The story shone a light on the subterranean world of people smuggling and human trafficking, reports Cat McShane, specifically the thriving route between Vietnam and the UK. Ba is slight for 18. His body shrinks into a neat package as he recalls his experiences. We're sitting in a brightly lit kitchen, a Jack Russell dog darting between us under the table. Ba's foster mum fusses in the background, making lunch and occasionally interjecting to clarify or add some detail to his account of his journey here from Vietnam. She wants to make sure his story is understood. Ba's lived here for nearly a year. He was placed with his foster parents after being found wandering, confused and scared, around a train station in the North of England, with just the clothes he was wearing. "You feel safe now though, don't you?" his foster mum asks, needing affirmation that the mental and physical scars Ba wears will heal with enough care. His story is one both extraordinary, and typical of the growing number of Vietnamese men and women recognised as being potential victims of trafficking in the UK. For several years, Vietnamese have been one of the top three nationalities featured in modern slavery cases referred to the National Crime Agency, with 702 cases in 2018. [...] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Enslaving humans is a terrible offence and the punishment should suit the crime. And if we had better treatments for addiction fewer women would "volunteer" to be a prostitute to pay for their malady. Making dope cheaper has had mixed results around here. I mentioned once how I had to take someone to the emergency room at night and for hours, there were always several addicts there from overdosing or getting sick. The VA was the same about two years ago but recently not. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I was wondering what the trafficking thing was all about. Forced to grow pot, oh, I see. Thanks BBC and Billyboy. Shitty little liars both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Where's the lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, william.scherk said: Where's the lie? What lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 12/14/2019 at 12:41 PM, Jon Letendre said: Korben? Korbennn?? We spent a year and a half proving the claim and you say nothing? WTF is with you? Korben? It was obnoxious enough to spew all the stupid putdowns you did, but to then stay quiet after, to have nothing to say about your past errors and insults, is just like you. Big talk + Wrong + Big quiet = Very Little Guy. Very, very little. Why should anyone listen to you ever again, debate anything with you again, when we can see that you will just high-tail? It is as though your every utterance should come with the label: "Later you will figure out I don't mean any of this, I won't answer for any of it, I'm not really real." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 7/21/2018 at 11:25 AM, KorbenDallas said: MSK, Can you prove this claim? Done. Now, can you come clean? It will feel good, I promise. It will make you feel honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just another coincidence that says nothing of the org, I'm sure. And it certainly doesn't go toward a worldwide problem with pedophilia, does it Korben?, you worthless coward. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5399247/UNICEF-kids-rights-campaigner-jailed-rape-boy-13.html On 7/21/2018 at 11:25 AM, KorbenDallas said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 On 10/17/2019 at 1:02 PM, Jon Letendre said: MSK’s claim: “One of the most devastating effects of pedophilia on the culture at large is when people who practice it gain power and influence among the elites.” How would you say that is going, Korben? I ask sincerely. It has been a year and three months since you asked for proof and a lot of evidence has since come in about the elites and how abuse of children ties them together. You have followed postings here about Epstein, Bill Gates, Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, MIT, etc., etc.? Are you as skeptical as the first time you heard the assertion? How would you rate the plausibility or the truth-status of the assertion today? unless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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