Arkadi

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p.s. (re "Biblical values")  St. Paul adds somewhere that he has a great pity for married men as they have to care about pleasing their wives rather than about pleasing God.

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6 hours ago, Arkadi said:

Greg--Our government is not entity unrelated to the people, it is their reflection in a considerable degree.

Yes it is.

The US government today bears little relation to the rapidly dwindling minority of productive independent private sector American Capitalists. Instead it has become the creation of the unproductive government dependent parasitic teat sucking majority who need the government to be their benefits mommie who takes care of them because they failed to properly manage their own lives.

The government has almost nothing to do with my life or my values. It basically leaves me alone to enjoy my life because I an independent American who governs myself and who has no need for the government to be my mommie. I don't need its loans. I don't need its benefits. I don't need it to educate me. I don't need it to employ me. I don't need it to insure me. And I don't need it to take care of my health...

...because I'm a responsible adult American who does all of these things for myself.

I'm self educated, self employed, self insured, amply self funded, and I take care of my own health. This is how Americans used to live, and they were the reason why the government used to be so small and Constitutional. Those days are long gone.

America has become a nation of parasites.

Greg

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Greg--You've just confirmed what I said: our government reflects (however imperfectly) the will of the majority. This regime is called democracy. You preference seems to be oligarchy (or, you might call it aristocracy).

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16 hours ago, Arkadi said:

Greg--You've just confirmed what I said: our government reflects (however imperfectly) the will of the majority. This regime is called democracy. You preference seems to be oligarchy (or, you might call it aristocracy).

While the US government reflects how the majority lives... and the majority are PIGS...

...the huge collectivist liberal socialist benefits dispensing bureaucracy bears little resemblance to America, and to the decent responsible minority of self reliant independent folks who still live like Americans.

This is what I mean by not confusing the government with America.

The government isn't America.

Greg

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2 hours ago, moralist said:

While the US government reflects how the majority lives... and the majority are PIGS....

Greg

To the slaughter house go?

--Brant

can we avoid dehumanizing people, many of whom have no idea of the matrix they were thrust into as a consequence of birth and government education and horrible laws, especially war on drugs laws?

Edited by Brant Gaede

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5 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

can we avoid dehumanizing people...

People only dehumanize themselves by their own behavior. No one else could ever do to them what they do to themselves.

There is only one reason the US government is so large, so bankrupt, and so unconstitutional... pigs.

Greg

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The Nazis dehumanized the Jews in the 1930s setting them up for the Holocaust. Did the Jews first dehumanize themselves?

Generalizations are one thing, but when they degenerate into collectivistic ideas such as your group and my group and fuck your group, it's time to reconsider their validity in the application. Objectivism is individualism first and foremost or it's nothing special.

We can assume a Moralist will moralize but there's moralizing, yes and there's moralizing, no. I'm moralizing, yes. I'm talking to you, not your group. Note, however, the lack of name calling. Your group qua group seems fine to me, but I note also you're the only one of it here.

Sometimes good ideas can go too far and they turn into crap. Not in this case. In this case it's merely infantile, clique-type ignorance.

--Brant

jumior high schools are full of it--name calling--and many high school students walk around afraid someone will call them a name

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3 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

The Nazis dehumanized the Jews in the 1930s setting them up for the Holocaust. Did the Jews first dehumanize themselves?

Generalizations are one thing, but when they degenerate into collectivistic ideas such as your group and my group and fuck your group, it's time to reconsider their validity in the application. Objectivism is individualism first and foremost or it's nothing special.

We can assume a Moralist will moralize but there's moralizing, yes and there's moralizing, no. I'm moralizing, yes. I'm talking to you, not your group. Note, however, the lack of name calling. Your group qua group seems fine to me, but I note also you're the only one of it here.

Sometimes good ideas can go too far and they turn into crap. Not in this case. In this case it's merely infantile, clique-type ignorance.

--Brant

jumior high schools are full of it--name calling--and many high school students walk around afraid someone will call them a name

Ok, Brant... :)

...how do YOU explain WHO created the HUGE complex convoluted parasite infested $20,000,000,000,000 indebted unconstitutionally bankrupt bureaucracy?

Duh... I do no... dit nobodee fawt... dit jus hapand. :lol:

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(the kid is an actor in the movie "Black Ops 2"... pretty good flick)

The answer is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF PEOPLE TO GOVERN THEIR OWN LIVES.

 

Greg

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Catastrophe to whom?

You're the one complaining. Why? (I do too but that's a different story as my perspective is different.)

Or are you simply gloating?

I'm concerned about nuclear bombs going off and millions dying. That's only numero uno.

You're concerned about--what?

--Brant

 

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On 6/13/2017 at 0:27 PM, Arkadi said:

p.s. (re "Biblical values")  St. Paul adds somewhere that he has a great pity for married men as they have to care about pleasing their wives rather than about pleasing God.

An archeologist named Thostle found an amazing fossil,

from the way it was bent and the knot on the end

'twas the penis of Paul the Apostle. 

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4 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

Catastrophe to whom?

To the people who CREATED the government they deserve through their own FAILURE to govern themselves. This is perfect moral justice that people deserve to be fully exposed to the consequences of their own failure... and the US government is the perfect duly authorized agent of moral retribution to do it to them.

Greg

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2 hours ago, moralist said:

To the people who CREATED the government they deserve through their own FAILURE to govern themselves. This is perfect moral justice that people deserve to be fully exposed to the consequences of their own failure... and the US government is the perfect duly authorized agent of moral retribution to do it to them.

Greg

And your concern is--what?

--Brant

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On 6/13/2017 at 6:38 PM, moralist said:

the majority are PIGS

Ooo -- I know that acronym, it's Portugal Ireland Greece and Spain, the worst basket cases, although usually spelled PIIGs to include Italy.

 

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On 6/14/2017 at 9:39 AM, moralist said:

WHO created the HUGE complex convoluted parasite infested $20,000,000,000,000 indebted unconstitutionally bankrupt bureaucracy?

(and)

"Black Ops 2"... pretty good flick

You did, Greg, and you have totally shitty taste in film.

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1 hour ago, Wolf DeVoon said:

You did, Greg...

Sorry, Wolf... I didn't.

I have next to nothing to do with the government because I don't take what it offers to give. But I understand your believing I did, because you did.

Greg

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1 hour ago, Wolf DeVoon said:

Ooo -- I know that acronym, it's Portugal Ireland Greece and Spain, the worst basket cases, although usually spelled PIIGs to include Italy.

 

Well... those are the same kinds of kinds of pigs, too!  :lol:

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7 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

And your concern is--what?

--Brant

I'm just placing responsibility exactly where it belongs. nodder.gif

Greg

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1 hour ago, moralist said:

I'm just placing responsibility exactly where it belongs. nodder.gif

Greg

 

And if you fail to do so? What then? And if you succeed?

But, again, what is your concern? You of Galt's Gulch? Are you trying to rescue us producers by having us go on strike? Are you on strike?

Since Ayn Rand was wrong you are too.

Philosophy--and morality--ruled the world of yesterday. What rules today's world is yesterday's inertia.

Superficially this presents a contradiction. For, you see, philosophy never ruled, it was inertia all along. Contradiction resolved.

Now, qua philosophy, I'm talking about formal philosophy acknowledged as such. Qua inertia, I'm talking about the philosophy dominant in all the group's minds. As group let us say the United State's group or your explicated upon American group. You are living on Galt's Gulch's--as you understand it--inertia. The United States is not. The US is existing on the inertia of Lincoln's won "Civil War." In turn that's the inertia from the founding of the Republic and its Constitution.

The last century was America's--Great Britain's?--fucked up century. America sanctioned the fuck up, but not knowing what it was doing. The next century is also America's. More fuck up coming? Maybe not. The nonsense of Marxism has to dissipate. Right now the dissipation looks more like a fulmination respecting Donald Trump.

Informal philosophy resides in the heads of hoi polloi. Everybody's got a philosophy. The brain needs a philosophy or it has no way to structure itself cognitively. Informal philosophy rules the world. TODAY'S WORLD! It takes a long time for the formal to inform the informal. That's why Objectivism isn't in politics yet--among some other reasons--for first its gotta be in the heads of hoi polloi. That takes time. A long time. Enter: inertia. Inertia, BTW, is always there.

For Objectivism to prevail its advocates need better understanding of what's in hoi polloi and why in order to sell hoi polloi something better. So far the product is deficient for them but not for us superioriacs.

--Brant

been drinking my neighbor's Crown Royal

damn I'm it's good!

(inferior thinking)

 

 

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29 minutes ago, moralist said:

Sorry, Wolf... I didn't.

I have next to nothing to do with the government because I don't take what it offers to give. But I understand your believing I did, because you did.

Greg

Good heavens, you're stupid. You have it exactly backward. Not the least curious, a blockhead who paid taxes and invented nothing, thinks that's all there is to it, and congratulate yourself for what exactly? Taking stolen money from Hollywood, the cesspool, like diving for shiny objects in shit.

Not even bright enough to look up from your Bible.

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3 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

 

And if you fail to do so? What then? And if you succeed?

That's totally up to whever reads what I write. It's not up to me. Even if people don't want to accept responsibility for the bankrupt unconstitutional government bureaucracy they created out of their own need for it to be their benefits mommie... they're getting it anyway.

I'm getting exactly the government I deserve... It's the one I created, that leaves me alone to enjoy my life. nodder.gif

 

Greg

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3 hours ago, Wolf DeVoon said:

Good heavens, you're stupid. You have it exactly backward. Not the least curious, a blockhead who paid taxes and invented nothing, thinks that's all there is to it, and congratulate yourself for what exactly? Taking stolen money from Hollywood, the cesspool, like diving for shiny objects in shit.

Not even bright enough to look up from your Bible.

Those are the words of a failure, Wolf. The kind of failure who is a sucker for utopia scams, because the scammers share the same unethical values that you live by. You're a victim if your own secular libertine values. That's perfect moral justice.

My inventions create the wealth that buys my economic freedom. nodder.gif

Greg

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19 hours ago, moralist said:

My inventions create the wealth that buys my economic freedom.

I shouldn't poke fun at you. Entirely unfair, too easy, like tripping an old lady for sport.

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5 hours ago, Wolf DeVoon said:

I shouldn't poke fun at you. Entirely unfair, too easy, like tripping an old lady for sport.

A gracious gesture.  You are one of Nature's  true nobility.  

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