Conspiracy theories and Conspiracy theorists

[caroljane]

16 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol,

This is not accurate.

I have been following her since she was a nobody on YouTube who called herself "Red Pill Black" and her little series was called "The Myth of the Coon." She got into politics because she came up with an idea for antibullying (she had received anonymous racial harassment) and even put it into practice with a Kickstarter campaign. It was a project called "SocialAutopsy. (She was a liberal back then.) 

Then the gamergate feminists got in touch with her and did their own form of bullying on her. That cracked open her liberal perspective and probably was the reason she went in the direction of a YouTube show where she could deal with racism on her own terms and according to what she saw, not what she was told to think.

The pushback from the left was intense and nasty--an intelligent pretty young black woman who thinks for herself and does not come to their conclusions is their worst nightmare and they treated her that way. This pushed her right into the arms of libertarians and Donald Trump support. Then Kanye West tweeted that he really liked the way she thought and off she went into a political career.

She does politics not for opportunism, but because she believes she is fighting evil. And she believes it with every bone in her body. She has the scars to prove it, too.

Disagree if you wish, but to attribute power-lust to her is simply not in line with her history.

Michael

I appreciate your measured response, and I think I did read a lot of the background material and known facts of her career history that you did. From these facts obviously we have inferred different things (no surprise!) I will follow her statements and hope to get a good idea of her views and their foundations.  I will agree that if power-lust is not in line with her history ( which could merely mean that she did not get power she had hoped to from previous actions) it will become apparent in the integrity she shows henceforth. Anyway, if she is what America needs now, she will be supplied.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

25 minutes ago, caroljane said:

I will agree that if power-lust is not in line with her history ( which could merely mean that she did not get power she had hoped to from previous actions) it will become apparent in the integrity she shows henceforth.

Carol,

There's an option you have not considered. Candace started out as innocent, but might later become seduced by power. That seduction is my real fear with her. All that sudden attention, fame and influence when you were a nobody before can go to your head. From what I have seen, she is having a grand old time meeting a bunch of famous people she only dreamed about before, giving talks to large audiences, being taken seriously (by friend and foe alike) for things she believes in, etc., and absorbing it all well. May she continue in that spirit.

In my world, I tend to see young folks as idealistic, not power-mongers. I simply cannot grok a worldview where someone like Candace is a secret dictator scheming for power as, say, a middle school girl, but frustrated at the time because she was unable to get the power she so dearly lusted after, until now, that is.  

I even attribute idealism--not power-mongering--to the anti-gun Hogg kid. He did let the attention go to his head, but he has since learned that the media machine and his own awesomeness are not aligned the way it looked like when he became a figurehead for the school shooting. His failed attacks on Laura Ingraham's sponsors and his fizzles on staging national protests, while, at the same time, being wadded up and tossed aside by the media, are reality giving him different feedback. (btw - I expect him to develop power-lust because of the people around him, but I'm not 100% convinced it will emerge. I think most kids are good underneath, including him, and all are vulnerable to intense social pressure to some extent... But all have their own hand in choosing their own paths... So let's see what happens...)

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

53 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

I think this fellow has a nationally-broadcast radio and TV show.  He seems to have finished the shooting investigation before Deep Faye got her socks on:

Here's an elegant response (video is in her tweet, so I cut it from the quote).

Fuck you @seanhannity, seriously. Now you’re putting @MaxineWaters’ life in danger. https://t.co/h8TKRiJo9H

— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) June 28, 2018

With love from this lady:

Michael

[caroljane]

52 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol,

There's an option you have not considered. Candace started out as innocent, but might later become seduced by power. That seduction is my real fear with her. All that sudden attention, fame and influence when you were a nobody before can go to your head. From what I have seen, she is having a grand old time meeting a bunch of famous people she only dreamed about Mic,before, giving talks to large audiences, being taken seriously (by friend and foe alike) for things she believes in, etc., and absorbing it all well. May she continue in that spirit.

In my world, I tend to see young folks as idealistic, not power-mongers. I simply cannot grok a worldview where someone like Candace is a secret dictator scheming for power as, say, a middle school girl, but frustrated at the time because she was unable to get the power she so dearly lusted after, until now, that is.  

I even attribute idealism--not power-mongering--to the anti-gun Hogg kid. He did let the attention go to his head, but he has since learned that the media machine and his own awesomeness are not aligned the way it looked like when he became a figurehead for the school shooting. His failed attacks on Laura Ingraham's sponsors and his fizzles on staging national protests, while, at the same time, being wadded up and tossed aside by the media, are reality giving him different feedback. (btw - I expect him to develop power-lust because of the people around him, but I'm not 100% convinced it will emerge. I think most kids are good underneath, including him, and all are vulnerable to intense social pressure to some extent... But all have their own hand in choosing their own paths... So let's see what happens...)

Michael

Michael, I agree with you, and I should have thought how young these new smart minds are, how vulnerable.

Thank you for thinking wider than I did.

[caroljane]

1 hour ago, Jon Letendre said:

Oh, Q is my boyfriend now?

That is not Q.

There isn’t an honest bone in your body.

Yes, there is! There are 203 verified honest bones and seven neutrals!

Dr. M. ShelleyFrank, Osteopathic Specialist

notarized.

[william.scherk]

While I was out mowing the lawn and picking peas ...

On 6/28/2018 at 12:06 PM, Redacted said:

On 6/28/2018 at 12:02 PM, Redacted said:

Those are facts, idiot.

When will you learn to keep your stupidity to yourself? Did you graduate grade school?

You're a moron for believing the crap you do.

Study logic.

That's not very nice. 

From another happier place:

On 6/29/2018 at 3:50 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I stopped paying attention to Q awhile back when it started going loopy and pro-establishment. [...]

But it is interesting to see President Trump outlining the letter Q in his speeches. He never did that before.

And Jerome Corsi's book went mainstream bestseller. That never happened before, either.

Maybe it's time to look again.

Some people spend some time on the Q Phenomena, and we have sampled a small selection.  The Q plan to save the world video from Joe M has galvanized some sectors.  It's kinda thrilling, I guess, to believe all of it and to go with the White Rabbit.

Anyway, one of those some people is Nathan Stolpman.  He takes his time with issues, meaning you will be faced with an hour at least of his rambles. I've cued the video below to an intriguing moment. He has just finished showing an excerpt from the Joe M video, but then introduces a 2012 video that seems to him quite remarkable. I'll leave that determination to readers.  The gist is that Nathan S is skeptical of the Q Phenom without being bitchy, snarky, freaky, accusatory, angry or anywhere off the baseline. That makes him perhaps boring to listen too ... but it didn't harm Scott Adams, who takes a similar reasonable and middle-of-the-road tone and register.

Try it, you'll like it, Conspiracy Theorists of Objectivist Living.

-- I have screen-recorded the Q-Gesture Moments from the President's recent rally, and want to put that up for examination, maybe today. I am sort of leaning towards pareidolia, but will welcome other eyes on the moments. 

[william.scherk]

Further to the Q anon phenomena and the "Saving the World" video

20 hours ago, william.scherk said:

I've cued the [Nathan Stolpman]video below to an intriguing moment. He has just finished showing an excerpt from the Joe M video, but then introduces a 2012 video that seems to him quite remarkable. I'll leave that determination to readers.  The gist is that Nathan S is skeptical of the Q Phenom without being bitchy, snarky, freaky, accusatory, angry or anywhere off the baseline.

If you have watched the Lift the Veil video from the cue-point, you will see that Stolpman had discovered a 2012 video that shares many similarities with the Joe M video.

This appears to be that video (I will see if I cannot find a longer version)  ...

 

[Jon Letendre]

California’s Deputy Attorney General Raymond Joseph Liddy Charged with Child Pornography Possession

http://www.barcomplaint.com/article-of-interest-copypaste-ok/californias-deputy-attorney-general-raymond-joseph-liddy-charged-with-child-pornography-possession/

 

[Jon Letendre]

Sheriff Scott Israel, High School false flag shooting facilitator and co-conspirator to mass murder, is being removed from office next week. 

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-to-be-removed-next-week/

 

[william.scherk]

The Cabal is using some well-tested methods to dirty up a Freedom Caucus member of Congress.  The fellow who was a star player in the recent Judiciary oversight committee confrontation with Wray and Rosenstein, representative from Ohio's 4th District ...

Jim Jordan on reporting Ohio State doctor’s abuse: ‘We got the truth on our side’

[Jon Letendre]

I wonder if Jordan is like Dennis Hastert. They protected him from wrongdoings of decades ago (he raped high school werestlers) and installed him as GOP Speaker. If he is, he is. There is so very much swamp draining left to do.

[Jonathan]

39 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Sheriff Scott Israel, High School false flag shooting facilitator and co-conspirator to mass murder, is being removed from office next week. 

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-to-be-removed-next-week/

 

Nice.

From the link above:

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It is unclear why law enforcement officials law enforcement at the Broward County Sheriff’s office and FBI failed to properly investigate Cruz, but their massive failure has been directly attributed to the loss of 17 lives in Parkland, FL.

Was the school and community law enforcement system following the Obama policy of overlooking and downplaying threats and violence from students based the notion that doing so would fix the problem of the "school to prison pipeline"? I haven't been able to verify one way or the other.

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Shortly after the Parkland shooting, cell phone video filmed by Cruz himself revealed that he himself felt bullied, which lead him to carry out a massacre on February 14, 2018 in a targeted attack against his former classmates.

I see this David Hogg kid in the media a lot. Major bully. It's his entire political M.O. He seems to revel in trying to humiliate and financially ruin others. I have to wonder if his attitude and tactics of attempting to destroy anyone who disagrees with him were prevalent in his school. Did the shooter get that type of shit dumped on him by the popular, savvy kids like Hogg?

J

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

34 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

If he is, he is. There is so very much swamp draining left to do.

Jon,

Amen to that.

Apropos, Jim Jordan is at the flash point of a super-charged elitist Deep State effort and is galling the Deep State because he's effective. Also, re the accusations, he is turning everything over to the police. That is not something establishment pedophiles or sexual abuse enablers tend to do. So I'm giving him slack right now.

This looks more like something the Deep State would stage. If I'm wrong, though, I won't shed any tears over Jordan. But I really won't shed any tears over the people who get nailed trying to frame Jordan if that turns out to be the case.

Michael

[Jonathan]

48 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

The Cabal is using some well-tested methods to dirty up a Freedom Caucus member of Congress.  The fellow who was a star player in the recent Judiciary oversight committee confrontation with Wray and Rosenstein, representative from Ohio's 4th District ...

Jim Jordan on reporting Ohio State doctor’s abuse: ‘We got the truth on our side’

He's going about it the wrong way. The new way of dealing with accusations is not to deny them, but to express respect for your accusers' bravery for coming forward, while begging to politely differ with their memories of the events, and saying that you don't remember it the same way that they do, and you're not saying that they are bad or wrong or misremembering, but that you didn't do what they said, but you are so proud of the strength that they have to say it, and that you'll cooperate with the investigation by continuing to smile and be proud of your accusers while you deny what they say. Franken was the first to explore this path. He didn't quite get it right. Since them others have improved on it, Justin Turdreau included.

J

[william.scherk]

Josh Barro takes a small rubber skull-hammer to folks on The Left (I presume) whose dogs ate their reason and left them spooked by an utterly anodyne release from the US Government. He also takes a couple of hammer-blows to the Q-phenomena translators and amplifiers. Young Jordan Sather has rather MOR views on Q compared to Redacted Anger, but he was pissed off at the Q-questioning part of Barro's article, considering it an MSM 'attack.'  He seemed to ignore the whoopee about 14-88.  Josh may have been attempting to be fair-minded.  Such battle rhetoric in response from 'believers.'

Kind of weird. To be skeptical of Q phenomena is to be cursed as simply not sufficiently woke or red-pilled, or shills, or even evul enablers of Luciferian-level horror.

https://consultantsinsider.com/articles/Get-a-grip-people-Your-conspiracyminded-impulses-are-making-you-look-stupid--5b38e958cafea26cce0b3370

Get a grip, people. Your conspiracy-minded impulses are making you look stupid
Josh Barro Jul. 1, 2018, 10:03 AM

[Jonathan]

20 hours ago, Jonathan said:

He's going about it the wrong way. The new way of dealing with accusations is not to deny them, but to express respect for your accusers' bravery for coming forward, while begging to politely differ with their memories of the events, and saying that you don't remember it the same way that they do, and you're not saying that they are bad or wrong or misremembering, but that you didn't do what they said, but you are so proud of the strength that they have to say it, and that you'll cooperate with the investigation by continuing to smile and be proud of your accusers while you deny what they say. Franken was the first to explore this path. He didn't quite get it right. Since them others have improved on it, Justin Turdreau included.

J

I see Turdreau's attempts at getting away with groping aren't quite working as well as had been hoped. The "I don't remember anything about it, nothing at all, except that it didn't happen the way she says" doesn't work so well when people quickly discover that you posted a public apology about the incident at the time, which included the unbelievably stupid line "if I had known that you were reporting for a national paper, I would't have been so forward." In other words, if a woman doesn't have any type of social rank or national professional prestige, it's totally okay to just up and grab her by the pussy or whatever?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-justin-trudeau-set-the-rules-for-believing-women-he-needs-to-live-by-them

[william.scherk]

I've read on Twitter a number of claims that President Trump has used and is using hand gestures to sign out "Q" during his rallies and public appearances. 

For context:

On 7/3/2018 at 11:54 AM, william.scherk said:

On 6/29/2018 at 3:50 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I stopped paying attention to Q awhile back when it started going loopy and pro-establishment. [...]

But it is interesting to see President Trump outlining the letter Q in his speeches. He never did that before.

-- I have screen-recorded the Q-Gesture Moments from the President's recent rally, and want to put that up for examination, maybe today. I am sort of leaning towards pareidolia, but will welcome other eyes on the moments. 

I may have extracted the wrong two moments, but it isn't completely clear what all moments/appearances are evidence.

[KorbenDallas]

Jon Stewart is aware of the Avian Order---are you??

Like I said before, Donald J Trump---Avian Order provocateur---unleashed fire and fury giving orders to deep state operatives to ignite a volcano in Hawaii as a dual pronged attack against his enemies and to kill all birds!!  Oh, the HORROR!!

And you want proof that Jon Stewart is aware of the Avian Order?  Just look here:

That's right, the Avian Order are full of sickos and EVUL people, and people like Jon Stewart are getting woke about their machinations!!   Stephen Colbert is woke too!!

But you don't have to be unfocused, in-the-dark, and basically be propaganda engineered automaton---be like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and wise up to the Avian Order's evul ways and see what's happening out there.  It was Hawaii goddammit!

And I have a feeling something big is about to happen---I've been seeing signs of it in the news, in entertainment, the weather pattern.  Things that are said in the news might not have actually been said, things that happen in entertainment might not be what happened, the weather pattern might look like it's a normal weather pattern but it might be portending something else...

Yup folks, this is gonna be yuge...

#stoptheavianorder

#justiceforthomas

#teampigeon

[william.scherk]

For the Q whisperer in everybody:

 

[Jonathan]

1 hour ago, william.scherk said:

For the Q whisperer in everybody:

 

Now that's cute. It's funny. Trump does indeed have some silly hand gestures, and he makes odd faces to accompany them. It's a bit weird seeing a president so animated and, well, flourishy. Maybe even a bit swishy.

Still, it doesn't hold a candle to your nation's cringeworthy Little Mr. Dressup.

J

[william.scherk]

26 minutes ago, 'Your nation's cringe-worthy Mr Dressup' said:

It's a bit weird seeing a president so animated and, well, flourishy. Maybe even a bit swishy.

Er,

 

[Jonathan]

5 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

Er,

 

Yeah, okay, cool. That's really good.

J

[william.scherk]

On 7/4/2018 at 11:31 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jim Jordan is at the flash point of a super-charged elitist Deep State effort and is galling the Deep State because he's effective.

Deep is sure busy.  Chuck Ross of the Daily Caller News Foundation has done some reporting on the 'accusers' (who seem to be saying that 'Jordan knew' of the abuse) ... 

JIM JORDAN’S ACCUSERS HAVE A SKETCHY HISTORY, RAISING QUESTION’S ABOUT THEIR ‘AUTHENTICITY'

-- while Chuck's mirror-image counterpart also has an angle to sharpen:

Jim Jordan is accused of turning a blind eye to Ohio State sexual abuse. Now he’s attacking the accusers.

 

[KorbenDallas]

3 hours ago, william.scherk said:

For the Q whisperer in everybody:

 

"The Swirl" at 0:43 almost looks like a 'Q' symbol to me.

I wonder what Judge Monkey would say...

Spoiler

"Nope!"

 

[william.scherk]

Judge Monkey is a vegan, or I'd say he was drunk. He is fair, but maniacal, the way I see it.  I would not like to see him elevated to a Supreme Monkey Court. That would bring on troubles, I'm sure.

Meanwhile, this below is a fairly well detailed conspiracy. I won't give a nutshell but emphasize there is a lot of detail. If you are inclined to see the election of a socialist to the Mexican presidency as a Soros event, a fake-out on the notion of "open society," then you won't find it implausible that Soros and the Elites want to destroy Mexico like Venezuela was destroyed. 

If you ask me, Chavez was a megalomaniac from day one -- but more importantly he fell into the Elvis Syndrome. Briefly, the 'care-takers' and 'staff' will let you or Michael Jackson or whoever rich and fabulous maniac you are kill yourself and wreck countries on their watch, through enormous infusions of pharmaceuticals or through crazy political acts as with Ceaucescu.

Chavez had some extremely stupid ideas about money, currency and value, along with some weird 18th century values of militarism and throwing off the shackles of the Old Regime.  Like a megalomaniac with Elvis Syndrome, his stupid ideas about money meant he began fiddling with exchange rates as soon as he could. Then he fiddled harder. By the time Maduro took over his government, the currency interference stupidity had spawned ten thousand knock-on stupidities, not least  the absence of second-thoughts when things fucked up completely. Grotesque inflation means you fucked up, Bolivarian commissar cult leader Elvis impersonators ... a million people already fled the breakdown in sane administration of money. Golly, you wonder when the powers in Venezuela are going to proclaim themselves perfected on earth, just as they print a new 1000 billion trillion bolivar note.

So, yeah, if Soros was behind the Elvis megalomania, he sure picked his cult leaders well. The Mexican one does not seem as stupid to the Nth as Chavez, and the health and wealth of the Mexican business class and assorted elites with giant portfolios is North American. Decoupling the currency from reality would be a great first move if you were a new Insane Elvis Economy Posse guy planted by Them.

So, courtesy of Infowars' warnings, I am going to be on alert for that kind of initial economic el stupido profundo move that the new guy with five names may proclaim.  I think he has been running for Big Daddy for a couple of decades. He might surprise me or and all of us.

In the meantime, when does Soros come after the rest of us, including Canada?  Not that we aren't thoroughly as ravaged as Sweden without him up here, but what can Five Name Presidency do to harm both our countries?

"Hi, I'd like to exchange some currency. Have I called the right number?"

That depends. Are you applying for an essential-goods import rate for your socialist business?

"Pardon me?"

Are you applying for a special rate because you want to import food or other goods necessary for the Revolution?

"No. I just want to buy a plane ticket to Columbia to buy toilet paper."

You need dollars for that. I mean, 'they' need dollars.

"Pardon me?"

A plane ticket needs to be deposited in dollars.

"Yes, I know that. I have seventy-five trillion bolivars, which I understand is roughly half the bolivars needed at the exchange rate estimated for tomorrow. Can I take my bolivars somewhere official and cash them in, and then go buy my ticket at the airport?"

No.  No, you cannot exchange more than 100 million bolivars a week, depending on which of the three exchange rate regimes your transaction is governed by. No, you cannot buy an airline ticket at the airport with bolivars cash, and no, you cannot take more than five hundred dollars cash outside the country. Unless you are a revolutionary and have a teacher's note.

"Okay, so, how do I get on a plane to Colombia?"

Buy your ticket online, I guess, use a US dollar account set up for emergencies. I don't know. I've never tried it. It's smarter to take the bus to the border. That's what my family does. I mean, with gas priced at only five thousand, you aren't really spending money to get there. Take the whole fucking clan.  If you only are trading toilet paper, you will need big trucks, though. Why don't you smuggle gasoline to Colombia? Toilet paper imports are regulated by the Military tribunals and cannot cost more than fifteen bolivars.  Of course there isn't any fucking toilet paper. Yeah.  I think I've told you all I can.

"So you are saying the airport isn't a good way to get to Colombia? And it doesn't matter if I have money, they won't take it?"

Sort of. Airlines haven't ever been paid for old currency-contracted flights from two thousand freaking eleven. They aren't stupid. If they aren't going to be paid, why bother flying?

"Okay, so what is the exchange rate swing between the 'best' official rate and the kind of rate I will be forced to pay in Colombia?"

Oh, the bolivar is utterly worthless in Colombia.

"Are you freaking kidding me?"

You need electric soluble dollars is all I'm saying. Get yer family abroad to wire money into a credit-debit account with access to the state-controlled disbursement mechanism Capito, or at least an internationally-recognized credit card. Take that to the airport and start yelling.  Crying is okay, yelling is better.

"So, I called you with a question about how to get dollars, and ten minutes later you tell me I NEED DOLLARS?!!! and need to start SCREAMING?!!"

Thanks for calling, hon. We are on the same wavelength. Good luck and rent late-model trucks for your trip.