Conspiracy theories and Conspiracy theorists

[Peter]

The truth is out there but how did you find that truth? Off shore oil exploration? How un pc. If Elon Musk does spend the rest of his life on Mars as he predicts what geological or exo anthropological evidence will he meddle with?

[Jon Letendre]

 

[Jonathan]

On 11/25/2018 at 11:47 AM, william.scherk said:

Wild accusations of pedophile activity are par for the course with Liz Crokin.  As I may have noted elsewhere, she has convinced herself that the California wildfires were set to destroy evidence of ... wait for it ... pedophile activity.

Wow, that's almost as ridiculous as blaming Benghazi on Nakoula's video. Almost.

J

[Jon Letendre]

“Rockefeller’s Standard Oil” is who Mayor Hylan said, in 1922, was central to the conspiracy.

 

The main American financial arms of the Nazi party were Union Bank Corp and Brown Brothers Harriman.

They funded the engineers from Standard Oil to build the concentration camps and their adjacent Factories.

Here the factory at Auschwitz.

Even I hadn’t heard of the existence of factories at the Concentration Camps until the advent of the internet.

Below, head engineer from Rockefellers Standard Oil going over the plans with Heinrich Himmler for said factory.

Below is Henry Ford Receiving “The Grand Cross of the German Eagle”, Dearborn Michigan 1938.

This was the highest possible honours bestowed upon a foreign citizen.

Received for teaching the Nazis mass production through his assembly line production system. Thanks Henry!

Just, they needed money.

Germany had been left in financial ruin after WW1. Left to pay crushing reparations.

How did Hitler Fund his rise to power and the building of a massive military in such a short period of time without money?

investors had to come from somewhere.

Remember, building weapons isn’t cheap. War is an incredibly lucrative business model.

Can’t re use a bullet.

Can’t re gather your materials after they have been launched at the enemy.

Any investigator or researcher such as myself know that you need to “follow the money”

So I did.

It is all public information.

It led me to this man with a familiar last name

Prescott Bush

Prescott Bush was the head of Union Bank Corp and Brown Brothers Harriman NYC

He and his fellow investment bankers crept into Germany after WW1 as the conditions were perfect for taking advantage of a broken nation and its starving people to rein in a time of Right wing Socialism throughout Europe.

They invested in the Nazi manufacturing giant IG Farben who ... 

 

https://www.quora.com/Which-president-in-the-United-States-history-you-think-is-the-smartest

 

[Jon Letendre]

https://www.quora.com/Which-president-in-the-United-States-history-you-think-is-the-smartest

[william.scherk]

Corsi surprises! QAnon whoopee!

2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

On 11/25/2018 at 10:33 AM, william.scherk said:

My prediction is that we will be surprised by Corsi's plea discussions result, should he wish to avoid a trial.

Wouldn't it be something if a man like Corsi pulled the entire rug out from underneath Mueller's feet based on integrity? [...]

Because we all know Corsi is stupid and a crank and Mueller is smart and cunning, right?

I'll be watching for the rug-pull. 

What could ensure that Corsi is seen as a paragon of integrity in some minds is his recent broken engagement with QAnon phenomena. Q is pissed off at Corsi, wouldn't you know?  Jon Letendre might have more inside information on that ...

 

QPost 2500 — Nov 25#QAnon https://t.co/LlDIP4yOZr

CORSI > [attempt infiltrate] Q
MUELLER > CORSI
CORSI PLEA DEAL
THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE WHO PRETEND TO BE GOOD.
Re_read drops re: WARNINGS https://t.co/iQo2Db2d9E
THOSE [MOST] WHO LEFT THE WH DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

MORE pic.twitter.com/J9ggaWl3qE

— Evie Rand (@Shalom2Trump) November 26, 2018

[william.scherk]

It's a blank ...

20 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Tomorrow the Ukrainian Rada (parliament) will vote on war measures, a declaration of martial law, and likely impose a military emergency. Will anyone but  EU get riled?  Russia has at one point blamed America for a provocation.

I'll check the videos  for comment from the President first, when I check the world pulse tomorrow.  Who is going to be zooming who, who is going to be complicit in crime and abuse of borders?

Nikki Haley got a bit riled, but she is on the way out ... 

According to the fake news fakening, but liable to fact-checking:

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Speaking at an emergency meeting of the Security Council called by both Russia and Ukraine, Haley said the United States would welcome a normal relationship with Russia.

“But outlaw actions like this one continue to make that impossible,” she said. “The United States will maintain its Crimea-related sanctions against Russia. Indeed, further Russian escalation of this kind will only make matters worse.”

Haley pointedly noted she had spoken with President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo before coming to the Security Council. So far, she is the most senior U.S. official to speak publicly on Sunday’s incident.

The same shonky outfit wrote this, however:

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But amid one of the most tense situations since 2014, the strongest condemnations came from somewhere else. In Brussels, the European Union urged Russia to “restore freedom of passage,” and NATO said it “fully supports Ukraine’s sovereignty and its territorial integrity."

Meanwhile, President Trump had a different message to the world Sunday: “Europe has to pay their fair share for Military Protection,” he wrote. “The European Union, for many years, has taken advantage of us on Trade, and then they don’t live up to their Military commitment through NATO. Things must change fast!”

Europe has to pay their fair share for Military Protection. The European Union, for many years, has taken advantage of us on Trade, and then they don’t live up to their Military commitment through NATO. Things must change fast!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 25, 2018

 

32.2K people are talking about this

 

Trump’s remarks were not new, and even though they show a misunderstanding of how NATO finances work, it is correct that many European nations still spend less on defense than the United States does. President Trump has previously suggested that the future of NATO might be tied to Europe’s willingness to spend more on defense.

There is always Monday.

[Jon Letendre]

Yes, there are bad people who pretend to be good. It is a simple street-smarts fact, confirmed throughout all of human history. The people up to no good don’t tell you that.

The info battle is one scene of this war. A big one. Naturally, each side is going to have soldiers of theirs pretending to propound the enemy moral position. Let’s use Alex Jones. For sake of making my point, it is given that he really works for the conspiracy.

How would that work, if was going to ... work? Well, he would tell loads of truths about the conspiracy. Big exposures. And some people would think he HAS TO BE pro-MAGA, because the conspiracy does not want that stuff widely known and yet there he is yelling it all the time. A large “following” can be generated. The exposures seem big, but they are not truly the worst of the worst, not even close. But that operation wakes people up, so why would the conspiracy conduct it in the first place?

Because they have Jones act like he’s unbalanced. You see, those exposures were going to be brought out by good people anyway, now they can say “you’re just repeating Jones” and point to video of Jones acting unbalanced.

Also, later, should the shit ever hit the fan for the conspiracy, they can have Jones come on one day and say “I was wrong about Trump, he is up to something sinister...”  They would use that asset by having it publicly flip, wreaking chaos and infighting within Trump’s support, or a part of it, anyway.

There is every reason to think that many such assets exist. They have to be able to inject misinformation by trusted mouthpieces. All the agencies out there want what I describe and possess examples of what I describe, whether Jones is one, or not.

As Trump and his team continue taking down the traitors, we will discover one after another person previously widely understood to be genuinely pro-MAGA exposed as having operated backstage in a very anti-MAGA way.

Jones might not be. Maybe Corsi works for the conspiracy. I don’t know. I don’t know what Mueller harassing Corsi means. I only know there is much much much more going on than what’s put in the show script we get to see.

Could Mueller be a ... I mean, if team Trump wanted and successfully developed one of those “assets,” what would it look like before we learned better?

Billy thinks Mueller is a good honest man and I agree.

Mueller is a good, honest guy.

Let’s see if Billy tries to change his mind on that in the coming months. 

[Jon Letendre]

There is no tension between Trump and Putin and therefore no danger of war between their respective countries.

Trump and Putin are firmly allied and secure in their leading positions.

Putin will play an important role in the liberation of Europe.

Why do we see so much tiension between Trump and the current leaders of very long-standing allies? Why do Putin and Trump routinely snub the current leaders of longtime American allies (and their Queens!)

—> Becaus thy are assholes.

Really, though, like an adult this time. Why?

And why do Macron and Merkel talk publicly about the need for a new army, the Army of the EU, to defend itself from America, Russia and China? That’s not normal. It is extraordinary. I trust we can agree its explanation will have to be extraordinary? It is because those three are allied and they are in process of liberating Europe.

Merkel (Germany) Macron (France) and May (UK) are enemy operators. They are not secure in their leading positions. They will be taken out shortly, either quietly or loudly. Probably quietly. If it gets hot, Putin will take action all over Europe.

The version on TV is not what is really happening right now, I hope you understand that much is surely true.

 

[Brant Gaede]

Liberation from what?

--Brant

[Jon Letendre]

22 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Liberation from what?

--Brant

From the clique

[Peter]

What a mindset those elitists had. Celebrating Nazism up to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. I doubt their stupidity and weird political philosophy could ignore all the Nazis did when Nazis were exposed during and after the war. Those nearly treasonous Americans had to modify their thinking post world war or they would have been minced during the paranoid 1950's. We interred loyal Japanese Americans while those rich elitist clowns should have been in jail.     

[Jon Letendre]

Presccottt was no doubt central. They tried to gain control of the world with and through the Third Reich, but failed, at least temporarily.

If they were going to get brother Prescottt Buschie’s son and grandson and almost other grandson Geb! into the Presidency, a NazismNoMore act would have to be played.

[william.scherk]

Chuck Todd Ross from the Daily Caller has a 'scoop' concerning Corsi's rejection of a plea agreement, and a couple of bon-bons for theoretical conspiracy mavens.

EXCLUSIVE: Jerome Corsi Says He Has Defense Agreement With Trump, Received Limited Immunity From Mueller

Considering President Trump's tweets today about the Mueller investigation, it could be that he has a 'mole' in the investigation, courtesy of a 'joint defense agreement.'  The mole ... Paul Manafort?

What has deeply-embedded QAnon had to say about Manafort? Not too much, but in April this year  he or she or they said Manafort was a plant.

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Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: 8071a4 No.893904
Apr 4 2018 14:52:00 (EST)

It was not supposed to be revealed POTUS is not under criminal investigation _ NOT YET.
Traitor.
Massive intel sweep.
Manafort was a plant.
Trace background.
Open source.
Who was arrested?
Non US.
Trace background.
Open source.
Carter Page was a plant.
Trace background.
Open source.
Why is Mueller going after 'inside plants'?
Flynn is safe.
Define 'witness'.
Can a 'witness' hold a position of power/influence while ongoing?
Russia Russia Russia?
Real or fake?
Fake?
JA?
Seth Rich?
MS_13 187 [2] -24 -Distance?
MS[13][13=M]MSM - The 'Wheel'
No investigation into WL receipt of information?
No pull down of NSA metadata trace/C to WL?
No pull down of NSA metadata period?
Nothing transferred across web?
Direct-to-Direct bypass dump?
No 'direct' investigation into DNC computer/software?
No 'direct' investigation into CS?
FBI/SC/DOJ/FED G simply TRUST CS's report on data breach?
HUSSEIN block?
HUSSEIN control?
HUSSEIN "STATE SECRETS" WH NAT SEC ARTICLES 1-9 - BURIED?
Awan attached?
AMERICA FOR SALE.
Cheatin' Obama.
Trust the plan.
APRIL SHOWERS.
Q

I'll sing to that!

See also:

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by william.scherk
Added Terry Stafford's "Suspicion"

[william.scherk]

The Corsi scoops just keep coming from Chuck Ross at the Daily Caller (or rather from the Corsi book launching soon):

EXCLUSIVE: Jerome Corsi Testified That Roger Stone Sought WikiLeaks’ Help To Rebut ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape

For a taste of Corsi at his most bursting-with-integrity moments ... (if you are subject to fits of paranoia or crawling-skin feelings, avoid the hypnotic allure of the video. It might be all LIES!)

Who is zooming who?

[Jon Letendre]

I think you have misunderstood Q, Billy.

By Manafort is a plant, he does not mean Trump’s plant.

Q means to say that Trump’s enemies run Manafort and planted Manafort, got Manafort into, the administration.

[william.scherk]

On 11/26/2018 at 2:17 PM, Jon Letendre said:

Trump and Putin are firmly allied and secure in their leading positions.

Pablum is sometimes one hundred percent oats.  Slogans are sometimes composed of no truths.

Putin and Trump are firmly allied, perhaps, inhabiting each other's dreams of a real New World Order ruled by a triumvirate of pure leadership, Trump, Xi, Putin -- but what about the respective Deep States? Is Putin's Deep State willing to give Trump's dismantling of the US Deep State a pass, or will Russia be willing to take some of the parts away from the wrecking yard?

In pablum today, QAnon wink and a nod Insider Trump declared he was unhappy with the Russian aggression. He might not sit with the aggressor in planned bilateral meetings of Deep State avengers and parasites and elements of the Cabal in Argentina next month.

Or as obviously Cabal-confected falsies attributed to the President by the BBC indicate, nothing of what you say or hear from anybody's mouth can be confirmed or discomfirmed. This is because in cult thinking, everything is planned.  Trust the Plan, my mateys.

Ukraine-Russia sea clash: Trump says may cancel G20 Putin talks

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US President Donald Trump says he may cancel a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin following a maritime clash between Russia and Ukraine.

Mr Trump told the Washington Post he was waiting for a "full report" after Russian ships fired on and seized three Ukrainian boats on Sunday.

The two leaders are due to meet on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires later this week.

Meanwhile, the US has urged European states to do more to support Ukraine.

State department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said Washington wanted to see tougher enforcement of sanctions against Russia.

What did Donald Trump say?

He told the Washington Post that the report coming from his national security team would be "very determinative".

"Maybe I won't have the meeting [with Mr Putin]. Maybe I won't even have the meeting. I don't like that aggression. I don't want that aggression at all," he said.

 

Don't you hate it when you can't take a plain meaning plainly?  Welcome to the QAnon Festival of Epistemology.

For a fifty dollar donation to Objectivist Living's healing fund, who has watched the lively confession video of the Ukrainian seamen on RT?

Spoiler

Captured Ukrainian sailors seen on Russian TV apparently confessing to ‘provocative’ actions

Meanwhile, habeas corpus. Who has 'taken out' the President's hand-picked head of the CIA?  The Deep State or the Avengers?

[caroljane]

4 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

I think you have misunderstood Q, Billy.

By Manafort is a plant, he does not mean Trump’s plant.

Q means to say that Trump’s enemies run Manafort and planted Manafort, got Manafort into, the administration.

Ah, I see.

Now the Canadian connection can be explained, our own Pamela Anderson's cosy visits with her crush Assange come clear - just check the dates, people!

[Jon Letendre]

I don’t know what to call that. Are those jokes?

If  you ever want to talk about Q, Billy, just let me know.

For two years you have heartily bought into and loudly propounded the thesis that Putin put Trump in power in the US, he’s Putin’s bitch, but now suddenly you can’t see your way to integrating the thesis they are allies? It conflicts with too much else we know, is that it? But one being the other’s bitch was and is plausible and unproblematic to integrate, do I have that right?

[Brant Gaede]

22 hours ago, Peter said:

What a mindset those elitists had. Celebrating Nazism up to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. I doubt their stupidity and weird political philosophy could ignore all the Nazis did when Nazis were exposed during and after the war. Those nearly treasonous Americans had to modify their thinking post world war or they would have been minced during the paranoid 1950's. We interred loyal Japanese Americans while those rich elitist clowns should have been in jail.     

There was a cause to bring fascism to America in the late 1930s. It was a subset of the American nationalist anti war anti Roosevelt America First with strong anti Semitic over and undertones. My Father played a fairly prominent role in that but never went as far as the German American Bund. Pearl Harbor broke the back of that.

Some rich big boys may have helped finance Hitler, but I suspect they were mostly German industrialists. Hitler said jump and they jumped. I am interested in more information on the role of American banking financing Nazism and influencing Roosevelt into WW II. It sounds like too much sense to discount out of hand.

--Brant 

hard to write on my small smart phone

[caroljane]

Lindbergh comes to mind, a true American hero and America firster, an Aryan poster boy and it is said a fascist fan.  It must have been hard to unfan him, in those days.

Brant you braggart! I cannot even type on an Ipad, need keyboard and new fine finger muscles. Let alone a phone.

[Brant Gaede]

14 minutes ago, caroljane said:

Lindbergh comes to mind, a true American hero and America firster, an Aryan poster boy and it is said a fascist fan.  It must have been hard to unfan him, in those days.

He gave good service in the South Pacific as a civilian during the war.

Just for the record.

"Aryan poster boy" is gratuitous.

--Brant

that's out of your head, not his

"fascist fan"? dunno: in those days it was fascism vs communism with little room for freedom and fascism lost and the communists and sympathizers continue on

[caroljane]

17 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

He gave good service in the South Pacific as a civilian during the war.

Just for the record.

"Aryan poster boy" is gratuitous.

--Brant

that's out of your head, not his

"fascist fan"? dunno: in those days it was fascism vs communism with little room for freedom and fascism lost and the communists and sympathizers continue on

The Duke of Windsor gave good service as a civilian in the East Indies during the war too. And he was a documented fascist fan.

Yes, poster boy was indeed gratuitous, so you're welcome.

You are right, of course, that left-right was horribly serious, and why should any sane person have to choose Hitler or Stalin? Why could North Americans not look at their own hybrid polities and choose democracy.. the worst form of government, except for all the others , pace Churchill.

Why don't we now?

[Brant Gaede]

32 minutes ago, caroljane said:

The Duke of Windsor gave good service as a civilian in the East Indies during the war too. And he was a documented fascist fan.

Yes, poster boy was indeed gratuitous, so you're welcome.

You are right, of course, that left-right was horribly serious, and why should any sane person have to choose Hitler or Stalin? Why could North Americans not look at their own hybrid polities and choose democracy.. the worst form of government, except for all the others , pace Churchill.

Why don't we now?

Because war has replaced intellectual discourse. The new war between the States. 

--Brant

too much Trump is a good thing because he's the dam against both more particularized and generalized violence so far much more from the left than the right but the right has hundreds of millions of guns

you won't see California nuttiness in Arizona the most gun pro state in the Union with no permit needed for open or concealed carry

[caroljane]

12 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Because war has replaced intellectual discourse. The new war between the States. 

--Brant

too much Trump is a good thing because he's the dam against both more particularized and generalized violence so far much more from the left than the right but the right has hundreds of millions of guns

you won't see California nuttiness in Arizona the most gun pro state in the Union with no permit needed for open or concealed carry

I don't quite understand you -- "violence so much more from the left than the right."..what generalized and particularized violence is that? Who has been killed that we don't know about? Who on the right has died so far? Where are these millions of violent leftists,  whom your hundreds of millions of freedom-loving guns are so willing to execute?

Jeez Brant, and you call California nutty.