the b**** is toast...

[moralist]

12 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

the most I can manage is contempt and annoyance.   I am too old for Anger and Hate.

...except what you reserve for God.

Without self awareness it's impossible to see it even though you've clearly expressed it here more than once.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

6 hours ago, moralist said:

...except what you reserve for God.

Without self awareness it's impossible to see it even though you've clearly expressed it here more than once.

Greg

contempt and annoyance is it.  Kindly be polite and take me at my word.   I take  you at your word.

you have an annoying ( to me ) habit of seeing what you wish to see rather than seeing what is there.

[moralist]

3 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

  Kindly be polite and take me at my word.  

Sorry, Bob. I can't be your accomplice. It would be a mistake to grant sanction to someone who chose to be unaware of themselves. In my opinion you had made that decision a long time ago in response to your parents and then doubled down on it by actually being proud of it.

I don't need you to take me at my word like you need me to take you at yours. You're perfectly free to disregard everything I've ever said. I don't need your belief like you need mine. For just as it would not be good for you to get it... it would not be good for me to give it.

Greg

[Jonathan]

3 hours ago, moralist said:

Sorry, Bob. I can't be your accomplice. It would be a mistake to grant sanction to someone who chose to be unaware of themselves. In my opinion you had made that decision a long time ago in response to your parents and then doubled down on it by actually being proud of it.

I don't need you to take me at my word like you need me to take you at yours. You're perfectly free to disregard everything I've ever said. I don't need your belief like you need mine. For just as it would not be good for you to get it... it would not be good for me to give it.

Greg

Whew! It's good to see that you're alive! I thought that it might have been you who was shot and killed at the Cincinnati Zoo.

J

[william.scherk]

On 5/30/2016 at 9:31 PM, Brant Gaede said:

Looks like a lot of super smart Jews went to that school. So, is it the school or their smarts?

I speculate this school is smack dab in the middle of an extensive Jewish community which has demanded very smart and able teachers for their children.

Yeah.

Except that the intake is not particularly Joo,  since the 'catchment basin' is the entirety of New York City. Admission is strictly for those who excel on a standard placement test. 

The Wikipedia entry for the school is an eye-opener.  Consider only the facilities at the high school.  Also of note are the demographics -- as of 2012, 'Asians' comprised 63% of the student body. 

Also of note is that this area (of the Bronx) is overwhelmingly populated by 'Hispanics.'

 

[william.scherk]

30 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

3 hours ago, moralist said:

It would be a mistake to grant sanction to someone who chose to be unaware of themselves. In my opinion you had made that decision a long time ago in response to your parents and then doubled down on it by actually being proud of it.

Whew! It's good to see that you're alive!

The body is alive. The brain, not so much.   As far as I can understand Greg's waffle and garble, Greg believes that Bob 'chose' to be autistic -- and that it had to do with mumble slur gripe Parents.

The vacancy in the beliefs is about autism and the autism spectrum.  I would happily donate a sum to Objectivist Living if Greg would write and post his full Theory of Autism -- in relation to Bob.  But Greg won't, because ... because.  

Be my be my baby. Be my Zika baby ...

[moralist]

2 hours ago, william.scherk said:

 Greg believes that Bob 'chose' to be autistic

Not just chose...

In my opinion, autism is a child's protective reaction to their parents. Bob chose not to grow out of it after it had served its initial purpose, and instead as an adult chose to embrace it and even to take pride in it as if it was a virtue.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

9 hours ago, moralist said:

Sorry, Bob. I can't be your accomplice. It would be a mistake to grant sanction to someone who chose to be unaware of themselves. In my opinion you had made that decision a long time ago in response to your parents and then doubled down on it by actually being proud of it.

I don't need you to take me at my word like you need me to take you at yours. You're perfectly free to disregard everything I've ever said. I don't need your belief like you need mine. For just as it would not be good for you to get it... it would not be good for me to give it.

Greg

It is a question of Good Manners.  But that may be beyond your comprehension.

[moralist]

33 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said:

It is a question of Good Manners.  But that may be beyond your comprehension.

It's far more courteous not to lie to you by pretending to believe your words...  as that's neither good for you or for me.

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 My practical religion is doubt and skepticism.

And yet isn't it ironic how you can be so proud of your own skepticism, and yet be bothered when someone else doesn't believe you? And I don't even share your need to be believed. As far as I'm concerned you don't need to believe anything I say, nor would I ever feel entitled to it. Please disregard it as you please.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

Good manners doesn't come with OL posting. Greg keeps repeating his position and Bob his. When two trains are on two tracks there is no argument. That's youse guys' case. When you are on the same track going 70 mph right at each other--that's an argument. Greg knows this; Bob doesn't. That's the difference between a generalist (Greg) and a particularist (Bob) as basic where-you-are-coming-from positions. That's the liberal arts (social studies) advantage over the science/math guy. The former rules the world made by the latter (at least the American world of today). The reason Greg is stuck with his positions and can't defend only describe and relate them is lack of reason and logic, having only the results of experience. Ironically, that's the ultimate validation of scientific theory--it produces real life, testable results.

--Brant

so Bob, just stop replying to Greg and he'll have nothing to reply to unless he jumps in on a conversation you are having with someone else--then you might quote him and state something like, "Not worthy of a reply by me" or, "I do not reply to this poster" (this would keep your boat afloat whatever it does to his; he cannot grapple and board you; you do not sanction him coming at you which automatically stops him)

[BaalChatzaf]

51 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Good manners doesn't come with OL posting. Greg keeps repeating his position and Bob his. When two trains are on two tracks there is no argument. That's youse guys' case. When you are on the same track going 70 mph right at each other--that's an argument. Greg knows this; Bob doesn't. That's the difference between a generalist (Greg) and a particularist (Bob) as basic where-you-are-coming-from positions. That's the liberal arts (social studies) advantage over the science/math guy. The former rules the world made by the latter (at least the American world of today). The reason Greg is stuck with his positions and can't defend only describe and relate them is lack of reason and logic, having only the results of experience. Ironically, that's the ultimate validation of scientific theory--it produces real life, testable results.

--Brant

so Bob, just stop replying to Greg and he'll have nothing to reply to unless he jumps in on a conversation you are having with someone else--then you might quote him and state something like, "Not worthy of a reply by me" or, "I do not reply to this poster" (this would keep your boat afloat whatever it does to his; he cannot grapple and board you; you do not sanction him coming at you which automatically stops him)

That is actually sound advice...

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Getting back on track:

 

Michael

[moralist]

On ‎6‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 6:30 PM, Brant Gaede said:

The reason Greg is stuck with his positions and can't defend only describe and relate them is lack of reason and logic, having only the results of experience. Ironically, that's the ultimate validation of scientific theory--it produces real life, testable results.

Exactly, Brant... except I'm not stuck in my values. I chose to live by them because of the empirical results derived from testing them in the laboratory of my own life.

And I'm just fine whether or not Bob chooses to respond. He's the proud skeptic who ironically needs my belief... while I couldn't care less whether or not he believes me.

Greg

[Jules Troy]

Celebrimbor forged the rings of power assisted and deceived by Sauron in fair guise.  Sometimes fantasy novels have hidden gems of truth.  Anyone can be deceived and manipulated, even the brightest and most brilliant of people.

[moralist]

The only thing that can't deceive you is the consequences of your own actions.

 

Greg

[Roger Bissell]

The latest national poll (Reuters/Ipsos) results: http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/11/poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-11-points-in-white-house-race/21393418/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-825802372_htmlws-main-bb

June 10 (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 11 points in the U.S. presidential race, showing little change after she became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee this week, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday.

The online poll, conducted from Monday to Friday, shows 46 percent of likely voters support Clinton while 34.8 percent back Trump. Another 19.2 percent support neither candidate. Their parties hold conventions in July ahead of a Nov. 8 election.

Clinton's lead was nearly the same a week ago, before she had amassed enough convention delegates to win the nomination and before Trump drew criticism from leaders of both parties for questioning the impartiality of a Mexican-American judge.

Trump, 69, enjoyed a bigger boost after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee in May. Having trailed Clinton, 68, for most of the year, Trump briefly erased a double-digit gap and pulled about even with the former secretary of state. [....]

I think this will tighten up, so that Hillary gets around 50% and Trump gets in the low to mid-40s. (Assuming that Trump stops making sexist and racist remarks, and assuming that Hillary isn't hauled off to jail.)

REB

[william.scherk]

The Toasted Lady has trained to be able to riff off some kill-shots -- with a sniper's aim, as they say. A sample from commie-leaning Time magazine.

But, her telepromptrumping aside, this following cyber-hacking does not look good for the D's anti-GOP campaign (from the commies at Mother Jones, so you can avoid the Washington Post, as now does the Trump):

Russian government hackers have breached the Democratic National Committee's computer network and have stolen the committee's entire opposition research on Donald Trump, the Washington Post reports.

 

Now, what does this mean, that Russian Hackers have the Dirt on Trump?  Well, the media machine of the Russian regime is spring-loaded with fear and loathing of The West and its evul designs.  The candidate has a flimsy Russia policy, and would disassemble NATO, and this is good for Putinism. Knowing what the Democrats have in their dirt file on  him is in Trump's interest. That is what Stone, Manafort and other members of the brain trust/kitchen cabinet can intercept, if they offer top dollar.  Knowing what is in the opposition chest is golden.

Mind you, there might not be much in the chest that isn't already known.  "Is that all they got?" says the man  who first opens the folder.

In other news, Trump information czar Alex Jones of Infowars has an interesting take on the hideous mass-shooting in Orlando.  In a nuanced, thoughtful and historic address to his fans, he explains that it was all a False Flag.  (does that mean that no one died, or that the flag (ISIS) was fakery, or that the Real Actors are .... as Donald Trump suggests ... a colluding Obama and the Hidden Powers?  I can't quite figure it out, but when Michael gets back from his trip, perhaps he can assess the argument):

Alex Jones Already Calling Orlando a ‘False Flag’
 

 

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We cannot put the security of our children and grandchildren in Donald Trump’s hands. We cannot let him roll the dice with America.

This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.

This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home.

He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.

[Applause]

He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists – even though those are war crimes.

He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or our admirals, our ambassadors and other high officials, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”

[Laughter]

He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.” You know what? I don’t believe him.

[Applause]

He says climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese, and he has the gall to say that prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.

Exactly.

He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister, the mayor of London, the German chancellor, the president of Mexico and the Pope.

[Applause]

He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

And to top it off, he believes America is weak. An embarrassment. He called our military a disaster. He said we are – and I quote – a “third-world country.” And he’s been saying things like that for decades.

Those are the words my friends of someone who doesn’t understand America or the world.

And they’re the words of someone who would lead us in the wrong direction. Because if you really believe America is weak – with our military, our values, our capabilities that no other country comes close to matching – then you don’t know America.

[Applause]

And you certainly don’t deserve to lead it.

 

Some team of unpleasant folk put together a round-up of 'conservative' or 'GOP" voices who praised Toast Lady's entry into the Swift boat race. The most hilarious reaction to Clinton's needling over Trump's thin skin -- his rebuttal that he has thick, beautiful skin.  By providing an illustration of her point, Trump lost a little bit of the edge in Hoopla. Not that it matters beyond June 4 ^1/2, not a bit.

Edited June 14, 2016 by william.scherk
Added flag.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On 6/14/2016 at 2:17 PM, william.scherk said:

 (does that mean that no one died, or that the flag (ISIS) was fakery, or that the Real Actors are .... as Donald Trump suggests ... a colluding Obama and the Hidden Powers?  I can't quite figure it out, but when Michael gets back from his trip, perhaps he can assess the argument)

William,

It's not just Alex Jones calling this a false flag. There are others (mostly Paul Craig Roberts, former Reagan staff, as a higher-up from among those I have seen).

I'm not sure Alex goes as far as Roberts, who is all the way out in la-la-land on this, claiming it was formally staged by the government (see interview here). I am sure Alex pushes things to a limit they don't always logically go. But after seeing the Obama administration float that YouTube video argument for the Benghazi attack before the entire world--and insist on it, I certainly believe his administration is capable of a false flag strategy to get gun control passed. They have no shame or moral restriction against lying to everybody to promote an agenda.

A false flag event in this context means something a bit different than it normally means. In this case, I believe it is entirely plausible that Obama's policies are designed to allow attacks like this to take seed and grow, all the while not being formally in cahoots with any one attack. In fact, being formally opposed. And it doesn't matter where the attack comes from so long as something bad happens. 

The strategy is to foster conditions for things to get so frightening and unbearable, the public will clamor for safety. They will cry for someone to make it stop. Then the government will step up and say, "We can fix this, people. All we need is a little more power over you. Let's start with the guns, shall we?"

This strategy works, too. It has worked to get and expand power ever since the beginning of recorded history.

Glenn Beck has gone off the rails on a variation of this when he has talked about it. He always mentions when bad lawless conditions get to a tipping point, a strongman (not necessarily the government) will appear and promise to set things right. People then follow the strongman and he eventually ends up dictator as he gradually assumes more and more power.

Surprise, surprise, Donald Trump (the strongman) did appear. In reality. Glenn had no doubt he (Glenn) was a prophet of God who just saw Satan and off he went.

Beck's narrative doesn't fit the false flag narrative of Alex Jones or Paul Roberts since Trump would have to be behind the attacks for that to work, but who cares about details when you are shitting your pants in terror and have a direct line to God?

In my judgment, in earlier times I would have said calling the Orlando attack a false flag would have been crazy (as I think it is if we mean Obama was directly involved). Tin foil hat and so on. Now I find it plausible (in the way I explained it), say 50-50. And it's not just Obama. I would be just as suspicious of the Bushes and the Clintons if they were in power.

Michael

[william.scherk]

On 6/14/2016 at 0:17 PM, william.scherk said:

In other news, Trump information czar Alex Jones of Infowars has an interesting take on the hideous mass-shooting in Orlando.

Below is some thinking from a former 'historical revisionist' at Taki magazine, a 'race-realist' hub, notable for the neologism, if not the details.

To my eyes the biggest schmozzle-fxck of a 'false-flag' claim in recent years is the August 21st 2013 Sarin massacre in Damascus.  Such is the power of a 'narrative' that bizarre confections abound -- laying that war crime at the feet of anybody but the regime, a regime which held Sarin stocks and had deployed the unique delivery system. Seymour Hersh is the most well-known and respected of authors who have published an alternative 'true flag' story.  To a chorus of contempt. 

In the sorrow over the Orlando massacre, false-flaggotry by Alex Jones is explicable: he sells nightmares.  Also explicable are egregious comments by less-successful weirdoes. For example, Walid Shoebat. Read what he has said about the dead, and weep. 

Not a notable person otherwise, the son of said Shoebat says Milo Yiannopoulos and Gavin McInnes should be put to death. (these two last links from Right Wing Watch.)

I figure there is greater mania and sleaze and ugly rumour-mongering than Alex Jones on his worst day (his "hoax" claims, his FEMA death camp claims) -- from people who also benefit in some way from offering nightmares. 

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False Flaggots
by David Cole 

Although Muslim loons and their apologists are quickly jumping on the false flag bandwagon these days, in the U.S., the majority of flaggots promote their hooey in the name of protecting Second Amendment rights. We’re told that incidents like Aurora and Sandy Hook were staged in order to facilitate the coming “gun grab.” “They keep staging these fake shootings so that the people will become so frightened, they’ll support gun control.” Apparently, the “conspirators” are all-powerful enough to fake Sandy Hook and a hundred other mass shootings, but they still need our support, our “vote,” to pass their gun-grab bills. An all-powerful conspiracy that can be stopped at the ballot box. These Elders of Zion can flawlessly manipulate any event, but they can’t pass simple legislation without the support of Biff and Henrietta Klumpdrucker in La Porte. Fascinating. 

And here we see the danger of false flaggotry. Because, indeed, leftists do want to curb gun rights. But they do so not by spending millions of dollars to create Broadway-show-quality staged events with thousands of paid “crisis actors,” but rather by exploiting actual events. The Reichstag fire really is a good lesson—not in “false flags,” but in how a leader can take a genuine event that happened independently and exploit the hell out of it. The Nazis, while innocent of having started the fire, definitely used it after the fact to curb freedoms and consolidate power. The spread of false flag lunacy is hampering the ability of sane skeptics and activists to fight those who seek to curtail constitutional rights and impose leftist tyranny. Indeed, I would think that nothing pleases the powers-that-be more than the growing popularity of false flag theories. As false flaggots are busy arguing over whether the bodies in the Bataclan theater were crisis actors or crash test dummies (yes, this is an actual debate), I’m certain that the people who want to flood the West with Muslims just love seeing folks distracted by that lunacy.

Back to the toastedness of the Beeyotch ... the fallout/hoopla from the Trump teleprompted remarks has been overtaken by newer-ish kerfuffles in the continuing pre-convention media circle-jerk: Corey gets hired by CNN, the Clinton News Network!  

If there is anything the media-hydra loves, it is self-generated hoopla. To see the extent of the flouncing and gurning about Corey + CNN, check out Memeorandum. Most outlets report the assumption that Lewandowsky is constrained by a non-disparagement clause in his Trump contract. This would make him a Trump supporter in all on-air encounters forever. Score one to the canny lads who conspired to shift Corey as an asset from Trump campaign duties ... to Trump campaign duties. False Flag!

In terms of polls, meaningless-in-June polls, polls, polls, Toast is leading in Arizona.

Edited June 24, 2016 by william.scherk
Grrrammar; link to meaningful AZ poll