moralist Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-26/game-over-even-msnbc-turns-hillary-stop-lying-stop-digging Even MSNBC, the slobbering lapdog of liberalism, has turned on Hillary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 27 minutes ago, moralist said: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-26/game-over-even-msnbc-turns-hillary-stop-lying-stop-digging Even MSNBC, the slobbering lapdog of liberalism, has turned on Hillary! Did they chop off her head and drive a stake through her heart? Expose her to sunlight? Douse her with garlic? Bury her under a ton of crucifixes? --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 None of the above. Unless the Hillary is indicted, the e-mail business will not make any difference to most voters. The Democrats carry the states with large electoral vote counts (even California). Trump will do fine in the heartland but it will not get him elected. Even those who "feel the Bern" will end up voting for the Hillary, holding their noses with one hand and punch holes in the ballot with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 A third party candidate who gets some electoral votes denying the other two 270--well, it's interesting, hypothetically speaking. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 The election needs one more option: none of the above. Question: Why are the options in the USA 2016 election so bad? And this seems to be normal. Answer: Bad people tend to want to control other people's lives and therefore are attracted to political office. Good people want to live their own lives and let other people live their own lives and therefore tend to not be attracted to political office. Ron Paul was an exception. He did not want to run other people's lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 2 hours ago, jts said: Question: Why are the options in the USA 2016 election so bad? And this seems to be normal. I can offer another answer. The options aren't any better or any worse than the majority values of the electorate... and it seems normal because it is normal. Whoever gets elected will accurately represent the moral values of the voters who elected them. This is how people get the government they deserve. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 3 hours ago, moralist said: The options aren't any better or any worse than the majority values of the electorate... and it seems normal because it is normal. Whoever gets elected will accurately represent the moral values of the voters who elected them. This is how people get the government they deserve. Greg, Using that standard, since Trump is doing so well, America is in pretty good shape. I know I'm feeling better about being here in the USA than at any time since I returned from Brazil in 2005. I'm becoming proud to be an American--and I've never felt that on a visceral level except in my childhood, that is, before the Vietnam war. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Greg, Using that standard, since Trump is doing so well, America is in pretty good shape. I know I'm feeling better about being here in the USA than at any time since I returned from Brazil in 2005. I'm becoming proud to be an American--and I've never felt that on a visceral level except in my childhood, that is, before the Vietnam war. Michael Our economy is far from robust. We are fortunate not to have had a disastrous economic collapse after the major recession of 2007. But the county is not enjoying the kind of prosperity it had from 1960-2000. Real wages have been flat since 1975. The fact we have a functioning economy at all in spite of all the government mismanagement is testimony to the underlying strength of a relatively unfettered market economy. The biggest failing is that we never figured out how to how a sustainable economy without spending trillions of $$$$ for the Forever War. The U.S. is basically a warfare state an in that regard it is not all that well run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, BaalChatzaf said: The U.S. is basically a warfare state an in that regard it is not all that well run. Bob, That is exactly why we are putting in Donald Trump to fix it. He knows how to create wealth, not just money. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Bob, That is exactly why we are putting in Donald Trump to fix it. He knows how to create wealth, not just money. Michael Yes. Hotels and Gambling Casinos. All great advancements of the Industrial Revolution and the Computer Aid. I find what Sabin and Salk did more valuable. They eliminated polio and they did not make a fortune (which they could have done) doing it. Your boy Trump plays the Parker Brother's board game in real life and real time. Nothing wrong with that and he is not plundering the Treasury of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, BaalChatzaf said: Yes. Hotels and Gambling Casinos. All great advancements of the Industrial Revolution and the Computer Aid. I find what Sabin and Salk did more valuable. They eliminated polio and they did not make a fortune (which they could have done) doing it. Your boy Trump plays the Parker Brother's board game in real life and real time. Nothing wrong with that and he is not plundering the Treasury of the United States. Hotels, casinos and roofs over the heads of thousands of families. I wonder how many roofs over familie's heads were brought into existence by Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Obama, or Elizabeth Warren. They bitch, bitch, bitch that some people have nicer roofs over their heads than other people do, but that hasn't brought any roofs into existence and it never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Them: We can learn! ok, then let's review. What has to happen before we can screw this stud? All of them: "Rally around Hillary for free condoms!" Go ahead, vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Maybe Trump does think academia is a nut, But at least he knows that Allen Driver actually does not refer to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 "Studs that self identify as hot bitches..." Go ahead and vote for them. Who needs roofs? They're just social constructs, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Jon Letendre said: Hotels, casinos and roofs over the heads of thousands of families. I wonder how many roofs over familie's heads were brought into existence by Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Obama, or Elizabeth Warren. They bitch, bitch, bitch that some people have nicer roofs over their heads than other people do, but that hasn't brought any roofs into existence and it never will. I was comparing producers to producers (Trump vs Salk/Sabin) not Producers with Politicians. You made a different comparison than I did. As producers go Trump is not the top of the line. He has not invented nor caused to be invented something that has made a big chance in the life of the world. Salk and Sabin ended Polio Hell. You are two young to know what it was like. Every summer was the time of greatest risk for polio (before there was a vaccine). And every kid had at least one friend that was crippled, killed or seriously paralyzed by the disease. So every summer I had to avoid going to movie theaters and swimming pools because it was believed at these place was the greatest chance of getting the disease. How has The Donald vastly improved my life? Not much. I don't gamble and I don't stay in hotels much. Ed Land is more of a champion capitalist. He invented instant photography and his technology was no surpassed until digital storage of images was made cost effective (about 1980-1990). Before that one either had to wait for photos to be developed to get an image. Ed Land's Polaroid (tm) Camera changed that. The First version came out around 1955 if I recall. My dad bought one. Bill Gates brought inexpensive computing to the public as did Steve Jobs. In our time Elon Musk is more like a champion capitalist than is The Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said: I was comparing producers to producers (Trump vs Salk/Sabin) not Producers with Politicians. You made a different comparison than I did. As producers go Trump is not the top of the line. He has not invented nor caused to be invented something that has made a big chance in the life of the world. Salk and Sabin ended Polio Hell. You are two young to know what it was like. Every summer was the time of greatest risk for polio (before there was a vaccine). And every kid had at least one friend that was crippled, killed or seriously paralyzed by the disease. So every summer I had to avoid going to movie theaters and swimming pools because it was believed at these place was the greatest chance of getting the disease. How has The Donald vastly improved my life? Not much. I don't gamble and I don't stay in hotels much. Ed Land is more of a champion capitalist. He invented instant photography and his technology was no surpassed until digital storage of images was made cost effective (about 1980-1990). Before that one either had to wait for photos to be developed to get an image. Ed Land's Polaroid (tm) Camera changed that. The First version came out around 1955 if I recall. My dad bought one. Bill Gates brought inexpensive computing to the public as did Steve Jobs. In our time Elon Musk is more like a champion capitalist than is The Donald. Ok, fair enough. Sorry for switching to comparing him to other politicians, it just seems more on topic. You make interesting points. There are different measures. Net wealth at death. Highest net wealth during life. People employed. Impact in the way people live. And there is improvement to my own life, one measure you raise above. Lives saved. Injuries prevented. Baby seat innovators save babies lives, maybe each one should count for two adults, making the founder of Don't Wreck The Baby, Inc. a greater entrepreneur than saver of seventy-years-olds, Heart Stent Now Corp. What is certain is that Trump gets things done out there in the real world where commanders in chief find themselves. His opponents talk good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 His friends say Bernie tried to be productive over and over, but couldn't keep it up. For a short while, carpentry. Then he switched to non and counter production in a long career as a production-destroying politician. Bernie's net lifetime production is vastly in the negative. Hillary produced some legal work, but only for a couple years before switching to counter-production. Hillary's net lifetime production is vastly negative. She is a net destroyer of things good for humans. Thousands of families woke up this morning under roofs erected by Donald J. Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 On the production side, Hillary raised a child* but on the destruction side millions of children live debilitating chaotic lives because their parents have no job because of years of what Hillary loudly approved of, promoted and promises more of. *If others are a value because you can trade with them to mutual gain, then she created another potential producer thereby increasing productivity and the amount of goods and services you can buy with any given unit of your work. Similarly, one does not need to live in a Trump property to benefit from their creation. This is because his additions to the housing stock lowered prices, therby lowering the hours of work required from you to obtain housing. Everyone in America who woke up this morning in housing they pay for has benefited from the decades of housing (and other) production attributable to the energy and vision of your future President Donald J. Trump bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 25 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: President Donald J. Trump bitches Truth, bro... Anyone don't dig POTUS Trump? Truffle butter and no vaseline... bitches... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Jon Letendre said: Ok, fair enough. Sorry for switching to comparing him to other politicians, it just seems more on topic. You make interesting points. There are different measures. Net wealth at death. Highest net wealth during life. People employed. Impact in the way people live. And there is improvement to my own life, one measure you raise above. Lives saved. Injuries prevented. Baby seat innovators save babies lives, maybe each one should count for two adults, making the founder of Don't Wreck The Baby, Inc. a greater entrepreneur than saver of seventy-years-olds, Heart Stent Now Corp. What is certain is that Trump gets things done out there in the real world where commanders in chief find themselves. His opponents talk good. Clearly, Trump, as boorish as he is, is worth more than any office holding politician. I consider politicians the smelly goo found at the bottom of the barrel on a hot muggy day, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 14 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Greg, Using that standard, since Trump is doing so well, America is in pretty good shape. I know I'm feeling better about being here in the USA than at any time since I returned from Brazil in 2005. I'm becoming proud to be an American--and I've never felt that on a visceral level except in my childhood, that is, before the Vietnam war. Michael Yes. Finally enough Americans got fed up with feminized emotionally hypersensitive perpetually offended politically correct word Nazis, to support someone who is completely politically incorrect!!! Man, I am LOVING Trump just for being who he is. Get this. The guys who came up with Reaganomics, including Arthur Laffer, Larry Kudlow and Stephen Moore are getting back together to advise Trump. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-26/reaganomics-band-gets-back-together-to-advise-trump-on-tax-plan Common sense people know they don't know everything. They have enough common sense to find those who do. And also have enough common sense to listen to them. Trump has common sense.. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Trump better get ready for Biden. Hillary is gonna-be-indicted toast. --Brant I don't think Trump will survive the transition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 12 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said: Yes. Hotels and Gambling Casinos. All great advancements of the Industrial Revolution and the Computer Aid. I find what Sabin and Salk did more valuable. They eliminated polio and they did not make a fortune (which they could have done) doing it. Your boy Trump plays the Parker Brother's board game in real life and real time. Nothing wrong with that and he is not plundering the Treasury of the United States. You know how much wealth Warren Buffet has created? None. Why is that, anyone? --Brant (free trip to Yuma for the first correct answer--or a fur-lined bathtub) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 He just manipulates the markets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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