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4 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Plasma wouldn't produce immunity.  Possibly (?) it could give a person a jump start in combating the virus if the person became infected.

Ellen

Cough, cough. You have a nice neck and I need your vaccinated blood to jump start my immune system. Vlad the Vampire.  Ugh. That's gross.  

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Frankly I think we have entertained the irrational and fear-frozen among us for way too long. It is time to take life back. No more forced face diapers and closed schools. The frightened can

There is no impact. It is a typical bad cold. They tell stories that indicate otherwise. Lasting impacts stories. Lies. Shutting down has had enormous negative impacts, but those were not caused

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2 hours ago, Peter said:

Cough, cough. You have a nice neck and I need your vaccinated blood to jump start my immune system. Vlad the Vampire.  Ugh. That's gross.  

Peter,

Are you against blood transfusions?

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I have something that's gross for real. When doctors wants to populate intestinal bacteria in a person who has a lack (which causes all kinds of bad things health-wise), they literally take fecal matter from a person rich in said bacteria and inject in into the intestine of the person lacking. And we all know the easiest way to do that...

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9 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

When doctors wants to populate intestinal bacteria in a person who has a lack (which causes all kinds of bad things health-wise), they literally take fecal matter from a person rich in said bacteria and inject in into the intestine of the person lacking.

From Wikipedia's Fecal Microbiota Transplant (Clostridioides difficile infection) :

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Fecal microbiota transplant is approximately 85–90% effective in people with CDI for whom antibiotics have not worked or in whom the disease recurs following antibiotics.[9][10] Most people with CDI recover with one FMT treatment.[5][11][12]

A 2009 study found that fecal microbiota transplant was an effective and simple procedure that was more cost-effective than continued antibiotic administration and reduced the incidence of antibiotic resistance.[13]

Once considered to be a "last resort therapy" by some medical professionals, due to its unusual nature and invasiveness compared with antibiotics, perceived potential risk of infection transmission, and lack of Medicare coverage for donor stool, position statements by specialists in infectious diseases and other societies[11] have been moving toward acceptance of FMT as a standard therapy for relapsing CDI and also Medicare coverage in the United States.[14]

It has been recommended that endoscopic FMT be elevated to first-line treatment for people with deterioration and severe relapsing C. difficile infection

The treatment also shows some efficacy against ulcerative colitis, although not with a single transplant. 

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11 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Are you against blood transfusions?

Only if I don't have any Activia yogurt in the fridge. I have mentioned this before, but when I donate my blood at the blood bank, and it is AB pos and supposedly not used for any transfusions except for other AB pos people, they call the local hospital and they come and pick it up, supposedly for babies.  I was told this is just BS to get a more frequent, "feel good" donation . . . except . . . I have seen them show up as I am sitting their recuperating from the blood loss. Sometimes it is the same woman who comes and gets it from the hospital and I have been personally thanked. Peter      

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My county is still doing video classrooms but I think around Monday, Sept 28, 2020 they will begin on-site classroom work, which could be worrisome for older teachers and those with preexisting conditions, and their families. I did not read the web story but in it they talked about kids being the next "mass spreaders" of Covid-19.

With a vaccine in the works I no longer think the "deliberately enacted herd immunity" idea is a good one. Would anyone want to get chicken pox or the measles if they could get a shot to prevent it?

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I'd say it probably depends on the actual incidents of disease a opposed to incidents of virus infection.

Had chicken pox as a kid, wondering when to start wondering about a shingles episode or the likelihood thereof.

But the current coronal outbreak? Still don't know anyone, personally, that had any thing even remotely like serious disease, a few , very few who had symptoms akin to a 'flu'.

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19 minutes ago, tmj said:

Had chicken pox as a kid, wondering when to start wondering about a shingles episode or the likelihood thereof.

But the current coronal outbreak? Still don't know anyone, personally, that had any thing even remotely like serious disease, a few , very few who had symptoms akin to a 'flu'.

I had chicken pox as a child. I had shingles around age 40 and again 3-4 years ago. The first time was pretty bad. The second time was very, very mild. I didn't even diagnose it as shingles. My doctor did. 

As of a few minutes ago the USA's total cases/population was 0.0188. That implies 98.12% of the population have not been Covid cases. So it should be no surprise that many people know nobody personally who has been infected. 

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29 minutes ago, tmj said:

I think we all know people who have been infected, we just don't know people who know they were infected .

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Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones. -- Donald Rumsfeld

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3 hours ago, Peter said:

With a vaccine in the works I no longer think the "deliberately enacted herd immunity" idea is a good one. Would anyone want to get chicken pox or the measles if they could get a shot to prevent it?

"The US will not join the WHO-linked global effort to develop a COVID-19 vaccine, WaPo reports"

"The White House confirmed that it will not join a global effort to develop, manufacture and equitably distribute a COVID-19 vaccine, The Washington Post reports, in part because of the World Health Organization's involvement. President Trump has criticized the organization over what he calls a "China-centric" approach to the pandemic."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/coronavirus-vaccine-trump/2020/09/01/b44b42be-e965-11ea-bf44-0d31c85838a5_story.html

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17 hours ago, tmj said:

Still don't know anyone, personally, that had any thing even remotely like serious disease, a few , very few who had symptoms akin to a 'flu'.

I personally know of eight people who died, four each in the families of two people I know.  One who died was only 49 and had none of the non-age susceptibility factors. Apparently he succumbed because of getting a "high dose" of the virus from infected relatives.  Four of those who died were 70-75.  One was 60.  Two were in their mid-60s.

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11 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

I personally know of eight people who died, four each in the families of two people I know.  One who died was only 49 and had none of the non-age susceptibility factors. ...

Personally know of, but did you know them personally?  Reason I ask is that I don’t know anyone who’s gotten very sick from covid, and after asking random people if they know anyone, the answer so far has always been no.  They just have read about or heard about deaths.  At this point even if I get a yes it will be a very rare yes.  (I don’t really know you face-to-face, so maybe a yes from you does’t count, but I’d like to know anyway.)

One susceptibility factor that the 49 year-old might not have been checked for is sub-clinical vitamin D deficiency.  (For what it’s worth I was taking a D3 supplement regularly long before covid – 5,000 IU twice a day.)

ADDED:  There is also the question treatment, for it has improved a lot since the beginning.  Some links to articles about it can be found here.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mark said:

Personally know of, but did you know them personally?

I'd met two of them once, at a recital they attended with the family member of theirs whom I do know personally.  The others I only know of.

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On 9/2/2020 at 6:29 PM, Mark said:

(For what it’s worth I was taking a D3 supplement regularly long before covid – 5,000 IU twice a day.)

The VA recommended 2000 IU, and when I asked if the infrequently taken 5,000 IU's I had on hand, would be better they said, "No." I didn't question the nurse and 2,000 IU is all I take now. I see some local drug stores are offering early flu shots but I have not gotten one yet.  

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20 hours ago, Peter said:

The VA recommended 2000 IU, and when I asked if the infrequently taken 5,000 IU's I had on hand, would be better they said, "No." I didn't question the nurse and 2,000 IU is all I take now. I see some local drug stores are offering early flu shots but I have not gotten one yet.  

https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468

I don't believe this clinical trial puts a lot of weight on taking a Vitamin D supplement without having Covid-19 and a deficiency of Vitamin D.

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Beebe, a local hospital has reported zero new cases in the last 24 hours. The staff was overwhelmed but now they can go home and relax and not work horribly long shifts.

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