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This reporter is thorough about Ben Carson’s political views. Perhaps it is time for a thread on the person who is currently second in the polls. I saw a Ben Carson for President bumper sticker yesterday and the same car had another sticker for Constitutionalism.
Peter

I will edit the long article to its basics.

Ben Carson on the issues: Inside the mind of the retired neurosurgeon surging in polls, rivaling Trump, Michael Walsh Reporter Yahoo Politics ‎September‎ ‎02‎, ‎2015

National debt: Carson thinks that the government will not pay down the national debt of more than $18 trillion until a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution mandates it. He says “career politicians in Washington” have shown that they won’t get serious about balancing the budget until they are forced to . . . .

The Economy: Carson has argued for a flat tax between 10 and 15 percent based on tithing for all Americans . . . . Carson also called for gradually raising the age of eligibility for receiving Social Security and eliminating the IRS.

Immigration: Carson says he does not think that the 14th Amendment should protect birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants . . . . He bemoaned “incentives” for illegal immigration, such as easy government assistance and public school enrollment.
“We must create a system that disincentivizes illegal immigration and upholds the rule of law while providing us with a steady stream of immigrants from other nations who will strengthen our society. Let’s solve the problem and stop playing political football,” he wrote.

Health care: Carson says the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is a “looming disaster” and “monstrosity.” Despite the cost of $1.2 trillion, he argues, 23 million people will still not have health insurance even after it has been fully implemented for 10 years.

Marijuana: Carson said that medical marijuana has been useful in certain cases but that he opposes legalizing the drug for recreational use — saying it’s important to remember it is “a gateway drug.”
“I don’t think this is something we really want for our society,” he said. “You know, we’re gradually just removing all the barriers to hedonistic activity. We’re changing so rapidly to a different type of society, and nobody is getting a chance to discuss it because it’s taboo. It’s politically incorrect. You’re not supposed to talk about these things.”

Climate change: Carson has described the issue of manmade climate change as irrelevant. Though he says we must protect the environment, the presidential contender said climate change cannot be an “excuse not to develop our God-given resources.”

Same-sex marriage: Carson opposes same-sex marriage and says he believes in the traditional definition of marriage as one man with one woman . . . . Carson said he thinks people who want to “change the definition of marriage” are ”directly attacking the relationship between God and his people.”

Abortion: Carson describes himself as “unabashedly and entirely pro-life.” He believes that human life begins at conception and needs to be protected from that point forward. As a surgeon, he has operated on fetuses and says they are “very much alive.”

The Second Amendment: Carson vowed that he would never support any attempt to “to weaken the Second Amendment.”

Israel: Carson says the U.S. must maintain its special bond with Israel and help protect it against surrounding nations that “threaten her very existence.” As Israel is America’s only democratic ally in the Middle East, he added, we must never waiver in supporting the nation.

Iran deal: During a speech in Iowa recently, Carson said that the controversial Iran nuclear deal puts the “whole country in jeopardy” and betrays a “complete lack of common sense,” the Daily Signal reported.

Terrorism: In an opinion piece for the Washington Times, Carson said that conditions across the globe have improved since the United States hit the stage. People need to suspend their knowledge of American history, he said, to believe that the U.S. is the source of much of the world’s problems . . . . On his campaign website, Carson said the Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp is the best facility in the world for detaining dangerous terrorists while they await a military trial. The United

Tax Code: Carson described the U.S. tax code, which includes more than 74,000 pages, as “an abomination.” He supports wholesale tax reform to remove the system’s complexity and loopholes, arguing that career politicians are unable to deliver the bold changes Americans

Religion: Carson says that Americans should be proud that “courageous men of principle and faith” founded the United States on “Judeo-Christian principles.” He thinks that secular liberals are trying to drive faith out of public spaces in American society.

Confederate flag: Carson says he does not have a problem with removing the Confederate flag from government property and acknowledges that it has been used for racist purposes. But, he said, the real issue is not the flag as much as what people use it to symbolize.

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This reporter is thorough about Ben Carson’s political views. Perhaps it is time for a thread on the person who is currently second in the polls. I saw a Ben Carson for President bumper sticker yesterday and the same car had another sticker for Constitutionalism.

Peter

I will edit the long article to its basics.

It is not long.

You of the endlessly long "letters" should not be editing anything.

Here is the link:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ben-carson-on-the-issues-inside-the-mind-of-the-128202264151.html

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Thanks Adam. Uh, Jersey Boy? You do know he is a black, dontcha? Just kidding.

When I read his views it was eye opening. I could support this man and it would not be because of his race. It would be because of his sincerity, his views, which closely align with mine, and the fact that he is an outsider. I would estimate his IQ at 160. Why does that matter? I am not sure his is the verbal equivalent of several other candidates, most notably, Trump, but he does all right if he is not pressured. Would his religion affect his political decisions? I could see him using the veto against measures that conflict with his morals but would any such issues ever arise?

Peter

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Do you think his religion forced him to violate his oath as a doctor?

 

It did not, nor would it force him to violate his oath to the Constitution...

 

I have been following Dr. Carson for at least three (3) years.

 

He is a man of integrity and a high level producer at his chosen profession.

 

Additionally, he is a motivator. 

 

Most importantly, he is a courageous man who will not back down from speaking his mind as he did at the National Prayer

Breakfast when the current occupant of the Presidency spoke:

 

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PPP 9/3: Carson 44 - Clinton 44. Clinton 46 - Trump 44. Clinton 46 - Bush 42.

Monmouth Presidential Poll, Sept. 3, 2015: Trump 30, Carson 18, Bush 8, Cruz 8, Rubio 5, Fiorina 4, Huckabee 4, Walker 3, Kasich 2, Christie 2, Paul 2, Perry 1, Santorum 0, Jindal 0, Pataki 0.

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PPP 9/3: Carson 44 - Clinton 44. Clinton 46 - Trump 44. Clinton 46 - Bush 42.

Monmouth Presidential Poll, Sept. 3, 2015: Trump 30, Carson 18, Bush 8, Cruz 8, Rubio 5, Fiorina 4, Huckabee 4, Walker 3, Kasich 2, Christie 2, Paul 2, Perry 1, Santorum 0, Jindal 0, Pataki 0.

Do they list the 13% undecided Peter?

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Political commentator Larry Sabato from UVA (and his site, The Crystal Ball) just said on Fox that Americans will tire of the non-politicians Trump, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina, and turn to proven politicians. Honest. He said that. But Larry also wrote, “Would anything confirm politics’ brain-dead status more than a second Bush-Clinton contest for the White House . . . . (but in contradiction) voters (especially in Iowa and New Hampshire) are just test-driving candidates like cars. They find features of several contenders to be appealing, but they realize no final purchase is needed until February.

So using his perspective which bizarrely predicts Trump will falter, what candidates can absorb voters from candidates who drop out? His picks were Bush, Walker, Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich. In his favor Sabato was good with his predictions during the last Presidential election.

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Tracinski said he would support a third party run if Trump is nominated. Which means he would rather have Hillary win. That is irrational based on the evidence available.
Peter

From The Federalist, The Not Trump Not Bush Republican Primary by Robert Tracinski, September 11, 2015. . . . . Let’s put it this way. If you want the Republican Party to stand for something, and not for someone, who is your candidate? Let’s run down the possibilities.

Ben Carson: The Anti-Trump
The fact that Ben Carson has surged at the same time as Trump and is now a clear second in the polls is a measure of the extent to which the grassroots wants a political outsider. Like Trump, Carson is someone who has a record of success and achievement outside of politics, who got people’s attention for giving impassioned speeches, for being occasionally a little too free with his opinions, and for his personality. The difference is the personality. While Trump is crude, abrasive, boastful, and prickly, Carson is modest and pleasant. Charles Krauthammer calls him the anti-Trump: “He is the ultimate gentle, soft-spoken family doctor…. He’s a completely wonderful guy that is hard not to actually like.”

The problem, of course, is the same as with Trump. What makes him interesting, the fact that he’s a political outsider, is also his biggest drawback. We don’t know whether he would be successful at campaigning or at championing legislation or at managing government agencies, because he’s never done it. More important, we don’t know what decisions he would really make under the intense pressures of the office.

A political outsider can promise whatever he likes, with no record to contradict him.

The great advantage of being a political outsider is that you have no voting record. You can promise the public whatever you like, and there’s no track record to contradict you. But for the voter, that should actually be less comforting, because we’re hiring someone based on what he tells us rather than what he’s actually done. That’s a problem for Carson in the same way it’s a problem for Trump. Both men have issues on which they sound staunch and resolute now, but on which they once held different positions. For Carson, those issues are abortion and guns. This is proof that you don’t have to be elected to office yet to be a politician.

I’m more comfortable with someone who has a track record on the difficult decisions, so I can tell what he would really do when push comes to shove.

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Tracinski said he would support a third party run if Trump is nominated. Which means he would rather have Hillary win. That is irrational based on the evidence available.

Peter

This assertion of yours that is in bold is certainly not valid by the evidence "available."

It is highly disputed that a third party run with who ____________ at the head of the ticket could penetrate the Republican Democratic model and defeat the a Trump Evita race.

Are you conscious that you are asserting that in a three way race amongst Trump on the Republican line, Evita on the Democratic line and an unnamed third party candidate who would have to get on the ballot in 50 [57 on the current President's choome map] States and the territories?

Really?

I do not think you thought that statement through, you might want to clear it up...

By the way, the example you were searching for "evidence" about, is completely not valid for a Trump Evita with a third party candidate, that being the Perot 1992 election...

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I wrote, “Tracinski said he would support a third party run if Trump is nominated. Which means he would rather have Hillary win. That is irrational based on the evidence available.

Adam responded: I do not think you thought that statement through, you might want to clear it up...
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Certainly. The scenario is that Trump is nominated at the Republican Convention. Then or when it is obvious he has the votes, one of the sixteen candidates or someone out of left field, like Jeb Bush, Walker, Paul, Carson, or Tom Selleck, declare themselves as candidate for President, under the Bull Moose Party and attract big donors like the Koch Brothers. Suddenly, the polls which were showing a 50.5 to 49.5 Trump lead over all Democrat candidates becomes 35 for Trump to 49.5 for Hillary and 15 for oh, Jeb Bush. One month before the election the polling is 30 for Trump, 20 for Jeb Bush and 50 for Hillary. That sounds about right, as my argument.

To want that outcome is irrational considering all we know about Trump and Clinton at this time, if you are a Republican, libertarian, or simply no friend of Old Hickory Clinton. It implies a dislike or even hatred of Trump that is not warranted.

I think you are also implying that a third party candidate can win. What if Trump does not get the nomination, claims the republicans did not live up to their side of the bargain, and he launches a third party bid? The outcome would be similar. 30 for Trump, 20 for the Republican, and 50 percent for a Evita/Juan Peron ticket.
Peter

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From Real Clear. Trump still winning in the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. But it is surprising that he is also winning in all other states. His momentum keeps building, but so does Carson’s.

In California, September 14: Trump 24, Carson 18, Bush 6, Cruz 6, Fiorina 5, Rubio 5 Walker 2, Huckabee 2, Kasich 2, Paul 2, Christie 1, Santorum 1.

In Florida, September 15: Trump 28, Carson 17, Bush 13, Rubio 10, Cruz 9, Fiorina 7.

If you combine the two polling scores for the runners from Florida, Bush and Rubio, they only add up to 23 percent to Trump’s 28 percent. Everyone knows how things can turn around in Politics but as of now Trump’s lead is comfortable. Carson could also continue to rise.
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I wrote, “Tracinski said he would support a third party run if Trump is nominated. Which means he would rather have Hillary win. That is irrational based on the evidence available.

Adam responded: I do not think you thought that statement through, you might want to clear it up...

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Certainly. The scenario is that Trump is nominated at the Republican Convention. Then or when it is obvious he has the votes, one of the sixteen candidates or someone out of left field, like Jeb Bush, Walker, Paul, Carson, or Tom Selleck, declare themselves as candidate for President, under the Bull Moose Party and attract big donors like the Koch Brothers. Suddenly, the polls which were showing a 50.5 to 49.5 Trump lead over all Democrat candidates becomes 35 for Trump to 49.5 for Hillary and 15 for oh, Jeb Bush. One month before the election the polling is 30 for Trump, 20 for Jeb Bush and 50 for Hillary. That sounds about right, as my argument.

To want that outcome is irrational considering all we know about Trump and Clinton at this time, if you are a Republican, libertarian, or simply no friend of Old Hickory Clinton. It implies a dislike or even hatred of Trump that is not warranted.

I think you are also implying that a third party candidate can win. What if Trump does not get the nomination, claims the republicans did not live up to their side of the bargain, and he launches a third party bid? The outcome would be similar. 30 for Trump, 20 for the Republican, and 50 percent for a Evita/Juan Peron ticket.

Peter

Am I correct that you are arguing that no third party candidate could win correct?

Second, and this is an odd scenario, what do you think would happen if Evita ran 3rd Party with all the Evita Crime Family Foundation money behind her?

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Adam wrote: Am I correct that you are arguing that no third party candidate could win correct? Second, and this is an odd scenario, what do you think would happen if Evita ran 3rd Party with all the Evita Crime Family Foundation money behind her?
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Crime Family. Now that is funny. Money can’t buy you love but it could buy some votes at the convention, and money could buy some good propaganda and TV spots that might sway some voters in the Presidential Election. What if Evita were in Argentina or Hillary was in Russia right now and we heard about this CONNECTED lady named Hickory Clintonski who broke her country’s laws but was still leading in the polls? We would be more apt to believe the stories. But not in America. You need 270 to win the electoral college, right?

David Torbert wrote around the time of the Obama / Romney race: If neither candidate receives 270 votes in the Electoral College, then the newly elected House of Representatives will select the President and the newly elected Senate will select the Vice President. (The new congress is sworn in just before the Electoral College votes are counted.) Obviously, there is no guarantee that there won’t be a surprise when the votes are counted – just because on election night, we all did the math and came up with 269 doesn’t mean that all 538 electors voted for whom they were supposed to.

When the House picks the new President, there are a few hitches. The first hitch is that each state delegation gets one vote. So California’s 53 congress people will vote, the majority of them will be Democrats, and collectively, they will cast one vote for Barack Obama. Texas’s 36 congress people will vote, the majority of them will be Republicans, and collectively, they will cast one vote for Mitt Romney. As of right now, Democrats have majorities in 15 states (Maine, Vermont, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, Iowa, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington); one state is tied (Minnesota); and Republicans have majorities in the other 34 states.
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So technically a third party candidate could win, even if they did not have 270 electoral votes. Is it probable. I can’t see it happening in 2016 even if Trump splits off from the Republicans, or Hillary loses the primary to Sanders or Biden, and forms a third party, called The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
Peter

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Adam wrote: Am I correct that you are arguing that no third party candidate could win correct? Second, and this is an odd scenario, what do you think would happen if Evita ran 3rd Party with all the Evita Crime Family Foundation money behind her?

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So technically a third party candidate could win, even if they did not have 270 electoral votes. Is it probable. I can’t see it happening in 2016 even if Trump splits off from the Republicans, or Hillary loses the primary to Sanders or Biden, and forms a third party, called The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

Peter

We will get back to whether any third party candidate could ever win later.

Now, you base your 3rd party runs electing Evita based on Ross Perot's run wherein William Jefferson [slave holder name] Clinton got elected in 1992 correct?

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I will happily vote for Carson if he wins the primaries, with much greater pleasure than I did for McCain and Romney.

:smile: )

Michael

Ditto for me.

-J

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No third party candidate has ever won the Presidency. And as another logical proof, the House and Senate are also split mainly between two parties - so if the election went to them, if no one could get 270 electoral votes, then no way Jose. Now if the Bull Moose Party wins a majority of the Legislature in 2018, that would be a sign the times they are a changin'.

Carson would be OK. McCain, not so good, but better than Obama. Romney would have been OK and a lot better than Obama. I think that if Romney had been elected he would be reelected in 2016. He was a smart, decent man, who like Trump had evolved politically. And I trusted his word. He would not say, no new taxes, and then waffle on his pledge. Of course Obama promised change and we got that. I wish he had waffled.

Peter

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We will get back to whether any third party candidate could ever win later.

Now, you base your 3rd party runs electing Evita based on Ross Perot's run wherein William Jefferson [slave holder name] Clinton got elected in 1992 correct?

What about this question Peter...?

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Ross did not win. Teddy did not win. Ralph did not win. Umpteen Libertarians did not win. Ronald won. Any other questions?

Peter, I know that your attention span is about three or four phrases in a sentence, so let me ask my question again.

Your argument was that if Evita was the Democratic nominee and there was a third party run, no matter who was on the third party/Bull Moose Party line would elect Evita...correct?

That is your argument with the assumption that Evita would get elected based on the 1992 race.

Agreed?

And by the way Michael is correct and that is the only example where a nominal "3rd party" won.

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FYI

Only two political parties are "organized" in all 50 states, the Democrats and Republicans.

According to Ballotpedia, the following minor parties are "organized" in:

The table below lists the distinct ballot-qualified political parties in the United States as of April 2015.[1]
[hide]Total state affiliates for each political party, April 2015

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Political party Number of states

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America First Party 1
America's Party 1
American Constitutional Party 1
American Independent Party 1
American Party 1
Americans Elect Party 3
Conservative Party 1
Constitution Party 12
D.C. Statehood Green Party 1
Democratic Party 51
Ecology Party 1
Grassroots Party 1
Green Independent Party 1
Green Party 18
Independence Party 5
Independent American Party 3
Independent Party 5
Justice Party 2
Labor Party 1
Legal Marijuana Now Party 1
Libertarian Party 34
Liberty Union Party 1
Moderate Party 1
Mountain Party 1
Natural Law Party 2
Pacific Green Party 1
Party for Socialism and Liberation 1
Peace and Freedom Party 2
Progressive Party 2
Reform Party 3
Republican Party 51
Socialist Party 1
Socialist Workers Party 1
Tea Party 1
U.S. Taxpayers Party 1
United Citizens Party 1
United Independent Party 1
Veterans Party 1
Working Families Party 4

========================================================================

TOTAL 221

The number of ballot-qualified political parties fluctuates regularly, as parties gain or lose qualified status. For example, Arkansas requires minor parties to win at least 3 percent of the vote in the most recent gubernatorial or presidential election in order to maintain ballot status. Minor parties have failed to achieve these requirements in recent elections. As a result, the parties have been required to reapply regularly for ballot status.[1]

Peter, can you find the Bull Moose Party?

How is this third Party going to be able to organize in 50 States...in 3-6 months?

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Let's get in the pool and close our eyes. Marco? Polo! Marco! Rubio! Is Adam postulating a left winger entering the race as a third party? I guess that is what he is trying to get me to say without asking the question explicitly. What's the sense in that?

I got this from Scott Walker. Drain that effing swamp, Ben, Ted, Carly, Donald, or Marco.
Peter

President Reagan once said that we needed to drain the swamp in Washington. But since he left, the swamp has filled up again. We cannot expect those from Washington to fix it.

It is time to wreak havoc on the status quo in Washington and put everyday Americans back in charge.
If you agree, please become a leader of our winning team with $10, $35, $50, $100, $250, or more today.
How do I know we can do it? Simple . . . because we did it in Wisconsin.

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