it begins...

[moralist]

You dropped the fun.

--Brant

Fun is always inherent in whatever I do.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

You dropped the fun.

--Brant

Fun is always inherent in whatever I do.

Greg

Sometimes it's well camouflaged.

--Brant

I got to you a little--I know it, I know it, I know it, I know it

[Peter]

Brant wrote: Greg should go to Vegas and predict red or black. end quote

Greg wrote: Traditionally, there's a Sabbath day every 7th day... a Shemitah year every 7th year... and there's also a Jubilee at the end of every 7th Shemitah. Jubilee will begin September 14th, 2015 to October 2nd, 2016. During the last Jubilee, Israel reclaimed Jerusalem in the 6 Day War. Fun is always inherent in whatever I do. end quote

Sheesh that is funny, Brant. It sums up my view of charlatans. If they were psychic they would be rich.

Shemitah? Jubilee? Are you Jewish, Greg? If so please speak some more orthodox gibberish. (imagine Johnny Carson playing Carnak and saying,) Oh chosen person, if you keep track of every half assed prediction, a few will sound predictive but when it was spoken it was gibberish.

What is needed is the concept of *CONTEXTUALISM.* At the time a prediction that later became reality was spoken it was a scammer trying to deceive . . . ah . . . unwise people. The fact that it later became true but 100 of the scammers other prediction were proven to be bull shit means that by perpetuating his BS you are aiding and abetting the scammer. I dont care if it is Nostradamus,

the bible, or Penn and Teller, dont abet a thief. In this case it would be a thief of reason.

Sure its fun, like fantasy football, or picking the winner of the super bowl at work. One buck gets you one pick on the chart and if you win you get a hundred dollars. But please do not ever use a past prediction as evidence of some scammers psychic abilities.

[moralist]

Shemitah? Jubilee? Are you Jewish, Greg?

Nope, Peter... I'm Christian.

No one could see the precise pattern of the two greatest financial collapses in American history because it can only be seen from within the context of the Jewish lunar calendar.

Even though there's been enough mocking... no one has said anything about how the two biggest catastrophes in US history fell on exactly the same last day of the Jewish calendar year at exactly 7 years apart. That same last day of a 7th year is coming around again in a month, so you'll be able to see for yourself what happens.

Sure its fun, like fantasy football, or picking the winner of the super bowl at work.

That's what it is for me... entertainment. The fun of seeing what happens.

I don't gamble on debt, because in my opinion it's unethical when the only way people can win is by leeching off of someone else's loss like a fucking parasite. So I have nothing to lose when the markets collapse because I don't play them. Only the suckers get the skinning they fully deserve for trying to make money off of skinning others.

But please do not ever use a past prediction as evidence of some scammers psychic abilities.

I don't know from where you got that idea. This has nothing to do with any "psychic abilities". No one made any such claims. It was a pattern of events that have already happened that no one predicted. The idea that another catastrophe will strike America again on exactly the same day is derived from an Old Testament Biblical prophecy in the book of Isaiah which is repeating in exactly the same way here today as it did in Israel 2,500 years ago.

You get one more month of free mocking, so make the best of it.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

Shemitah? Jubilee? Are you Jewish, Greg?

Nope, Peter... I'm Christian.

No one could see the precise pattern of the two greatest financial collapses in American history because it can only be seen from within the context of the Jewish lunar calendar.

Even though there's been enough mocking... no one has said anything about how the two biggest catastrophes in US history fell on exactly the same last day of the Jewish calendar year at exactly 7 years apart. That same last day of a 7th year is coming around again in a month, so you'll be able to see for yourself what happens.

Sure its fun, like fantasy football, or picking the winner of the super bowl at work.

That's what it is for me... entertainment. The fun of seeing what happens.

I don't gamble on debt, because in my opinion it's unethical when the only way people can win is by leeching off of someone else's loss like a fucking parasite. So I have nothing to lose when the markets collapse because I don't play them. Only the suckers get the skinning they fully deserve for trying to make money off of skinning others.

But please do not ever use a past prediction as evidence of some scammers psychic abilities.

I don't know from where you got that idea. This has nothing to do with any "psychic abilities". No one made any such claims. It was a pattern of events that have already happened that no one predicted. The idea that another catastrophe will strike America again on exactly the same day is derived from an Old Testament Biblical prophecy in the book of Isaiah which is repeating in exactly the same way here today as it did in Israel 2,500 years ago.

You get one more month of free mocking, so make the best of it.

Greg

Prophecy is bullshit....

[Brant Gaede]

1) There's money in bullshit.

2) My prophecy is prophecy will continue to be bullshit insofar as it is today if it is today--this means you have posited a tautology so your statement is the bullshit, not prophecy for you are self refuted for there is no reasoning much less axiomatic reasoning.

3) Why do you, Bob, think we're morons? Half the time you post is to tell us 1 + 1 = 2. This time it's actually 1 + 1 = anything but 2. Wrong!

4) Why did you quote all that material?--it added nothing to your retort.

5) Prophecy is prophecy and is for thinking about something as in today's choices have what possible consequences? Now--a prophet?--he's likely a bullshitter although not necessarily. This goes hand in hand with a prophecy is likely to be bullshit. But even bullshit can have its right uses even out of original wrong intent. Hence, this post. Thank you.

6) Etc.

--Brant

[Peter]

I remember an expose about Jehovahs Witnesses. Found it. I surmise that the author is a Christian. I snipped some things out. The authors final quoted paragraph uses Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV to say, dont be a fool, Greg!

How to get Jehovahs Witnesses to listen by David A. Reed.

For example, the 1920 booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die, declares,

...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. -- pages 89-90

Starting in the mid-1960's numerous discussions in the Society's publications pointed to the year 1975:

This seventh day, God's rest day, has progressed nearly 6,000 years, and there is still the 1,000-year reign of Christ to go before its end. (Rev. 20:3, 7) This seventh 1,000-year period of human existence could well be likened to a great sabbath day. . . . In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. -- Awake! October 8, 1966, page 19

The August 15, 1968 Watchtower indicates that there might be a slight delay between the end of humanity's first six thousand years in autumn 1975 and the end of the world -- corresponding to the interval of time between Adam's creation and Eve's -- but assures that the delay will be only a few weeks or months, not years:

Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499

The most recent prophetic failure is likely to have the greatest impact on JWs: 'New truths' in the November 1, 1995 Watchtower magazine changed the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses concerning "the generation that saw the events of 1914," and the November 8, 1995 Awake! drops that magazine's long-standing prophecy.

The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so:

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. -- Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV

[Brant Gaede]

Why Christians think 1000 years is a long time is beyond me.

Can't "saved" people rule themselves? Why Christ the ruler? Answer: so we don't eat any more apples? Nope. Christ came a cropper the first time so God's going to give him a second chance. Frankly, we won't get Christ, we'll get "Zod." (That's for us secularists.)

--Brant

Garden of Eden here I come (I've got my ascension robe on and I'm on top of the mountain)

[moralist]

I remember an expose about Jehovahs Witnesses. Found it. I surmise that the author is a Christian. I snipped some things out. The authors final quoted paragraph uses Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV to say, dont be a fool, Greg!

How to get Jehovahs Witnesses to listen by David A. Reed.

For example, the 1920 booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die, declares,

...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. -- pages 89-90

Starting in the mid-1960's numerous discussions in the Society's publications pointed to the year 1975:

This seventh day, God's rest day, has progressed nearly 6,000 years, and there is still the 1,000-year reign of Christ to go before its end. (Rev. 20:3, 7) This seventh 1,000-year period of human existence could well be likened to a great sabbath day. . . . In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. -- Awake! October 8, 1966, page 19

The August 15, 1968 Watchtower indicates that there might be a slight delay between the end of humanity's first six thousand years in autumn 1975 and the end of the world -- corresponding to the interval of time between Adam's creation and Eve's -- but assures that the delay will be only a few weeks or months, not years:

Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499

The most recent prophetic failure is likely to have the greatest impact on JWs: 'New truths' in the November 1, 1995 Watchtower magazine changed the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses concerning "the generation that saw the events of 1914," and the November 8, 1995 Awake! drops that magazine's long-standing prophecy.

The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so:

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. -- Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV

Peter, quoting failed prophecies is irrelevant...

...because you have still failed to answer how the two greatest financial disasters in American history could happen with such precise timing exactly 7 years apart on exactly on the same lunar calendar day. These historical events have absolutely nothing to do with prediction because they have already happened.

I'm still waiting...

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

Uh. There is no explanation. Who's to explain (alleged) coincidences? Shit happens? So do good things.

A true coincidence is just a fact.

--Brant

[moralist]

Shemitah? Jubilee? Are you Jewish, Greg?

Nope, Peter... I'm Christian.

No one could see the precise pattern of the two greatest financial collapses in American history because it can only be seen from within the context of the Jewish lunar calendar.

Even though there's been enough mocking... no one has said anything about how the two biggest catastrophes in US history fell on exactly the same last day of the Jewish calendar year at exactly 7 years apart. That same last day of a 7th year is coming around again in a month, so you'll be able to see for yourself what happens.

Sure its fun, like fantasy football, or picking the winner of the super bowl at work.

That's what it is for me... entertainment. The fun of seeing what happens.

I don't gamble on debt, because in my opinion it's unethical when the only way people can win is by leeching off of someone else's loss like a fucking parasite. So I have nothing to lose when the markets collapse because I don't play them. Only the suckers get the skinning they fully deserve for trying to make money off of skinning others.

But please do not ever use a past prediction as evidence of some scammers psychic abilities.

I don't know from where you got that idea. This has nothing to do with any "psychic abilities". No one made any such claims. It was a pattern of events that have already happened that no one predicted. The idea that another catastrophe will strike America again on exactly the same day is derived from an Old Testament Biblical prophecy in the book of Isaiah which is repeating in exactly the same way here today as it did in Israel 2,500 years ago.

You get one more month of free mocking, so make the best of it.

Greg

Prophecy is bullshit....

You got about 30 days left to ~feel~ secure Bob... before your casino bets get wiped off the table.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

You got about 30 days left to ~feel~ secure Bob... before your casino bets get wiped off the table.

Greg

Let's get one thing clear: you are not just telling us someone else's prophecy but agreeing with it. It's your prophecy too.

--Brant

[moralist]

Uh. There is no explanation. Who's to explain (alleged) coincidences?

Why are you asking that when you're the one who is alleging it's just random coincidence, Brant? I'm not saying that. I'm the one who holds the opinion that the precise timing of the two greatest economic catastrophes in American history which have already happened are just a small part of a larger pattern.

Do you remember people saying it's a different world post 9/11 than it was on 9/10? In my opinion, they were FAR more correct than they ever knew. On that day... America forfeited it's protection and providence. What happens to America next is a done deal... for it already sealed its fate.

Haven't you noticed that the US economy still has not recovered from 2008? This is by far the worst recovery from a recession in American history. And why is this so? Because there is a sickness in America... and it's still there.

Greg

[moralist]

You got about 30 days left to ~feel~ secure Bob... before your casino bets get wiped off the table.

Greg

Let's get one thing clear: you are not just telling us someone else's prophecy but agreeing with it. It's your prophecy too.

--Brant

Brant has just earned this title...

While I'm obviously not the person who made the prediction... I obviously agree with it.

And my rational for agreeing is that in 2,500 years human nature has not changed. People are still doing ALL of the same immoral things today that they've been doing for thousands of years.

It takes a long time to form a critical mass of immoral people to bring down a great nation like America that was founded on goodness. That event horizon had already been passed on 911.

America has been warned... and each warning will get larger and larger.

Greg

[Mikee]

I suppose no matter what happens in Sept you will rationalize it as fulfilling prophesy. i.e.: dow drops 500 pts (instead of 5000), huge forest fire in Wyoming, 6.5 earthquake in Oklahoma, plane crashes somewhere...etc.

"critical mass of immoral people": Millions of people being conned by Marxist criminals does not make them immoral. Just dupes.

A large number of people have been predicting a crash for some time now, for rational reasons, nothing to do with "prophesy".

[Jonathan]

On September 29th (Elul 29) the Stock market dropped 777.7 points, or 7%

Actually, in reality, it dropped 777.68 points, or 6.98%, and it doesn't even rank among the top five daily percentage declines in history.

However, one thing that I would find believable is that if you were to tell us that your IQ is 77.7 points, or, even more believable, 66.6 points.

J

[moralist]

You still have 30 days to bloviate, Jonathan... so I'm counting on you to do your best.

Greg

[moralist]

Millions of people being conned by Marxist criminals does not make them immoral.

Well, we each hold a different view of that, Mike... and that's ok by me because we each have different life experiences.

Old true sayings:

"The easiest man to con is a con man."

"You can't cheat an honest man."

In my view, only people who con others can be conned... just as they rightfully deserve.

Greg

[Brant Gaede]

You still have 30 days to bloviate, Jonathan.

Greg

One deserves the other. He's just helping you keep the bloviation going. Once your thesis is demonstrated true by happenstance happening, you'll be able to keep your hot air balloon aloft for the rest of your life while we secularists sulk in the shadows consoling ourselves with whiskey and wine.

--Brant

https://youtu.be/N-tRXewCAmU

[moralist]

You still have 30 days to bloviate, Jonathan.

Greg

He's just helping you keep the bloviation going.

If you haven't noticed... I don't need any help.

you'll be able to keep your hot air balloon aloft for the rest of your life

I already built my own blimp... and it's a stout little craft that has completely protected me from the last two economic collapses simply by floating untouched above them. If you were smart, you'd be building your own instead of wasting your energy futilely trying to bring someone else's down.

... and just to be clear, September 2015 isn't the end of the world... just like 2001 and 2008 weren't.

Greg

[Mikee]

Millions of people being conned by Marxist criminals does not make them immoral.

Well, we each hold a different view of that, Mike... and that's ok by me because we each have different life experiences.

Old true sayings:

"The easiest man to con is a con man."

"You can't cheat an honest man."

In my view, only people who con others can be conned... just as they rightfully deserve.

Greg

Another truth "first you suffer, then you die".

Just as true. Just as cynical. Is it necessary to hate people in order to love God? God = Nature /= Christianity. What happened to a benevolent universe? Human beings with a God given (universe given) human nature? Does adding Objectivism to your Christianity mean you can throw out humility? Is that the appeal?

[moralist]

Another truth "first you suffer, then you die".

Suffering isn't always a bad thing. It's how people respond to suffering that makes all the difference.

That everyone dies without exception is perfectly fair to everyone.

Just as true. Just as cynical.

What an odd use of the word "cynical"....

cynical:

"showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, especially by actions that exploit the scruples of others"

Saying that cheaters deserve to get cheated is just the opposite of being cynical.

Is it necessary to hate people in order to love God?

No. Loving God only means hating evil enough not to do it yourself. Not doing evil to offers protection from others doing evil to you.

God = Nature /= Christianity.

That doesn't describe my view, Mike. It's a description of your own view which I believe is called Pantheism.

In my view God is not nature. He created nature.

What happened to a benevolent universe?

Again that's your own view of the universe. It's not mine.

In my view, the universe is not benevolent because it is not God... God is benevolent.

Human beings with a God given (universe given) human nature?

Since I'm not a pantheist, I don't equate God with the universe. It's ok if you hold that view... I'm just letting you know that I don't.

Does adding Objectivism to your Christianity mean you can throw out humility? Is that the appeal?

Real humility is not being a doormat.

Neither is it being a sucker.

Greg

[Peter]

Ian Fleming through his character James Bond said something like, “Once is bad luck, twice is a coincidence, but the third time something similarly bad happens, it is enemy action.”

Greg asked: ...because you have still failed to answer how . . . end quote

Brant, the great, great, great grandson of Socrates and Aristotle wrote: Shit happens? So do good things.
end quote

*How?* is asking what was the cause and affect. Determinists say every affect has a cause, and everything affects all that comes next. That theory does not take in the complexity and unpredictability of the universe and the truth that there is no possibility of *omniscience* (not even if it is claimed by Apollo, Zeus, or a super computer.) The Universe includes *randomness* and *uncertainty.*

Larry Sechrest wrote: Subject: OWL: correct Latin Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:43:07 -0600, In the midst of a recent post on aggression and the moral responsibility of the aggressor, Patrick Stephens [12/17] refers to the "post hoc ergo procter hoc" fallacy. Correctly, that should be "post hoc, ergo propter hoc". Literally this means "after this, therefore on account of this". Translated into common English, it refers to the fallacious belief that "B follows A, therefore A caused B". This is an extremely common error in statistical work. Larry Sechrest, Associate Professor of Economics.

So, twice is a coincidence. Can anyone predict an economic or any incident that will happen SOON? If Greg can predict the coming crash, AND ITS DATE, prove it. Greg said September 2015. Please be a bit more specific about the date, time and the occurrence about to happen.
Peter

[Brant Gaede]

Wait until Greg figures out you're a government bureaucrat, Peter.

--Brant

that's my prediction

[Brant Gaede]

For the record, you can cheat an honest man. It was fun. He didn't know what hit him.

--Brant

one asseveration deserves another