william.scherk Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 1 hour ago, Peter said: No one has gotten anywhere near the proof needed. There's more than enough proof. Nobody's been able to get the proof into a court. This is far from the whole story. In my opinion, we can know by now that most claims put forward were denied in rulings that carefully examined what was attached as "proof" (various reports, attestations and affidavits). Major, significant, superior court rulings that sifted through evidentiary claims have been posted to OL. It's not full reporting to claim that nobody has been able to put a case to the courts. It doesn't portray the antagonist side. There is a blank. Explaining failures to succeed with a murky set of assumptions or vague tales of systemic perfidy isn't any help to understanding why no legal authority ruled for Trump or the Kraken on the details ... I hold that all the Trump-aligned legal heroes have failed to make a proper case. Canny laypersons, legal beagles and careful, thoughtful judges sniffed out every weakness and unsubstantiated claim. -- on the other hand, did anyone get around to the 'newsworthy' story of the freakish Powerpoint served up by Mark Meadows to the January 6 committee of benghazi? Mark Meadows' January 6 texts from Fox News personalities and from Donald Trump Jr have more or less dislodged that festival of hoopla. Why would junior be texting his dad's office manager to tell his dad something? Didn't junior have a line to the big guy? Edited December 14, 2021 by william.scherk "On the other hand" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, william.scherk said: Major, significant, superior court rulings that sifted through evidentiary claims have been posted to OL. With a sympathetic to Trump majority in the Supreme Court why haven't they grasped even an insignificant case? Remember the evidence of fraud from Pennsylvania? It showed mail carriers bringing in bag after bag of supposedly fictious mail-in ballots . . . except it turned out they were just doing the mail and nothing illegal was being done. No more fakery please. No more emotional pleas for anyone's favorite conspiracy theory. Trump in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter said: If this "plenty of proof" was available what newspaper wouldn't be running with it like the current tornado damage in the southeast? Peter, It is available. I can show you where, too. Right here on OL. (See here.) That thread shows a ton load of evidence, most of which got included in petitions to courts all over America. And now there is so much more evidence that is not there yet because I did not keep that opening posts going the way I had originally planned. Yet the courts did not rule on the mountain of evidence that got presented to them because the courts would not allow judicial review of the cases for a series of technicalities. (Standing, times, etc. One court refused to consider a case with evidence because it was filed before the election, then refused to consider it for a second filing because the election was over. Seriously. This is on record.) Even for the Arizona audit, where a ton of more evidence got produced, this is nowhere near a court yet because that was an Arizona Senate proceeding. The results are now in the hands of AG Mark Brnovich, who received the report with criminal referrals if I am not mistaken. But he is sitting on it. Only after law enforcement finishes does it get presented to a court. For the evidence stuff in that thread, though, keep to the opening posts. That thread, like all threads do on forums, later drifted into discussions of this and that. I disagree with your standard that evidence does not exist if the mainstream press does not run it. For an obvious example, the mainstream press refused to run the Hunter Biden laptop story. Does that mean you believe the laptop doesn't exist? Even when there is video and audio of Hunter getting a foot job on his exposed stiffened member from an Aisian whore while smoking crack? That's just one video among many. Not to mention the evidence of embezzlement on that laptop. I can point you to links to the material if you like. Right here on OL, too. I will grant you one thing. I can show you evidence all day long, but if you refuse to look at it, you will not see it. Just like when the courts refuse to allow evidence to be added to the docket, the courts will not consider it. 100% guaranteed in both cases. Justice is supposed to be blind in terms of rights, not prejudiced. But it is prejudiced right now. In America, we have a rigged justice system for the most part. (Checks and balances keep it sputtering along, but it's a mess.) And a rigged justice system does no one any good, not even the current Biden junta. Why? Because that same rigged justice system will be in the hands of guess who in the near future? Hmmmm?... Many of these people are pissed off about the abuse of power. Some of them are talking about abusing the power right back at the predatory class when they get their hands on it. I bet some of them will, too. My own recommendation is get yourself some popcorn. This ain't going away. It's going to be around for some time. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter said: Remember the evidence of fraud from Pennsylvania? It showed mail carriers bringing in bag after bag of supposedly fictious mail-in ballots . . . except it turned out they were just doing the mail and nothing illegal was being done. Peter, What are you talking about? Pennsylvania is nowhere near done. One guy does one thing wrong and that erases 10,000 guys perpetrating fraud? How does that work? Look here (for just one example) if you want to see item after item of election fraud in Pennsylvania in the 2020 election. There is a whole lot more out there. It's wrong for the courts to refuse to look at it. And it's wrong for law enforcement to refuse to investigate it, especially the FBI, which is compromised to the gills with Deep State crap, but it's still the legal agency that should be investigating this stuff. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: This is far from the whole story. In my opinion, we can know by now that most claims put forward were denied in rulings that carefully examined what was attached as "proof" (various reports, attestations and affidavits). Major, significant, superior court rulings that sifted through evidentiary claims have been posted to OL. It's not full reporting to claim that nobody has been able to put a case to the courts. It doesn't portray the antagonist side. There is a blank. Explaining failures to succeed with a murky set of assumptions or vague tales of systemic perfidy isn't any help to understanding why no legal authority ruled for Trump or the Kraken on the details ... I hold that all the Trump-aligned legal heroes have failed to make a proper case. Canny laypersons, legal beagles and careful, thoughtful judges sniffed out every weakness and unsubstantiated claim. -- on the other hand, did anyone get around to the 'newsworthy' story of the freakish Powerpoint served up by Mark Meadows to the January 6 committee of benghazi? Mark Meadows' January 6 texts from Fox News personalities and from Donald Trump Jr have more or less dislodged that festival of hoopla. Why would junior be texting his dad's office manager to tell his dad something? Didn't junior have a line to the big guy? William, Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. But legally he did, right? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 William, If you want to debunk the following as if it were all or nothing, go ahead. But that's not accurate. 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: There's more than enough proof. Nobody's been able to get the proof into a court. In that same post I said this: 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: But, in almost ALL cases--countless cases--all over the country, the courts are refusing to look at evidence? So in order to make clear what I said and tease out hyperbole from fact, I will amend the part where I said "almost ALL" and "countless." The following is factually accurate even under the most rigorous standards. And I used a different technique to replace the hyperbole. The phrase should now read as follows. But, in the overwhelming, staggering, stupendous, crushing, mind-boggling, enormous, capacious, mammoth, astronomical, vast, brobdingnagian majority of cases--so many cases the number is hard to arrive at--all over the country, the courts are refusing to look at evidence? Is that clearer? Helpfully, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: The results are now in the hands of AG Mark Brnovich, who received the report with criminal referrals if I am not mistaken. But he is sitting on it. But still the people in Arizona refuse to sit down and shut up about the 2020 election. Here is what they did today in Pima County, and, rather than a full forensic audit, the evidence presented today is going straight to AG Mark Brnovich's desk. Evidence Of Widespread Voter Fraud Revealed At AZ Election Integrity Hearing Today RUMBLE.COM Evidence Of Widespread Voter Fraud Revealed At AZ Election Integrity Hearing Today Let's see if he sits on that, too. I know the stuff he is sitting on is not going to get thinner over time. It is what it is. And the 2020 election fraud file going to get fatter and fatter and fatter until it becomes a liability for him to ignore. Telling people, even politely, to sit down and shut up gets them riled when the fraud was so blatant. Expect more because more is coming... And when the dam breaks, it is going to be a wonder to behold. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Peter said: No more emotional pleas for anyone's favorite conspiracy theory. Trump in 2024. "Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, ThatGuy said: "Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'" Love that!!!!!!! Oh, and btw Peter, when Trump gets reinstated, I do not believe he will have the Constitutional right to run again in 2024. As long as Trump gets back into the WH by the end of the summer of 22, he will have more than enough time to get things all cleaned up well before 2024 and then from the movement itself, other leaders will emerge. Long live The King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Peter said: No more fakery please. No more emotional pleas for anyone's favorite conspiracy theory. Trump in 2024. Gaslighting trolls gonna gaslight... Meanwhile, at "American Pravda": Is Criticizing Joe Biden a Danger to Democracy? "As concerns mount over the future of free and fair elections, a debate has broken out about whether the media must protect Biden to save the republic." Quote Milbank’s most provocative idea posited that the media needed to be “partisan” in the service of democracy. “The country is in an existential struggle between self-governance and an authoritarian alternative. And we in the news media, collectively, have given equal, if not slightly more favorable, treatment to the authoritarians.” Does Criticizing Biden Endanger Democracy? NEWREPUBLIC.COM As concerns mount over the future of free and fair elections, a debate has broken out about whether the media must protect Biden to save... And where was such concern among the left about "saving Democracy" when Kathy Griffin posed with the bloodied head of a Donald Trump? Or over the slander of MAGA by Jussie Smollet's "hate crime" hoax? Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, ThatGuy said: Gaslighting trolls gonna gaslight... Meanwhile... Does Criticizing Biden Endanger Democracy? NEWREPUBLIC.COM As concerns mount over the future of free and fair elections, a debate has broken out about whether the media must protect Biden to save... Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining... Raindrops keep falling on my head.... Pissdrops keep falling on my head... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Peter said: No more emotional pleas for anyone's favorite conspiracy theory. None so "conspiratorially emotional" as those suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome": "Hillary Clinton is worried, and she wants you to be, too. In an NBC interview on Sunday, the once-and-possibly-future presidential candidate painted a dark picture of what could be the result if her bête noire, Donald Trump, runs for president again and wins in 2024: 'I think that could be the end of our democracy,' Clinton intoned, and in your heart, you know she’s right: nothing spells the end of democracy more than letting the peasants elect the candidate they want. The political elites, among whom Hillary has been foremost for two decades now, know what’s best for us, and they’re determined not to allow us to make our own decisions: allowing us that much freedom would destroy democracy, doncha know." Hillary Clinton Is Yapping About Trump Again PJMEDIA.COM Their Russian collusion hoax failed, and their Ukraine phone call hysteria failed, and their “insurrection” nonsense is false, but they’ll keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Don't forget , when Clinton et al bemoan the loss of 'our democracy' they mean the loss of 'their' statist/fascist/oligarchical regime's power cloaked in one man one vote transparent inviolate plebeian soothing 'free elections'. The Deplorables prefer the moniker 'constitutional republic' and its trappings. A re-elected Trump could be a death knell of 'their' democracy , an implausible reinstatement would be a mortal wound to at least seven of the hydra's heads. Hence the level of perceived implausibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 The press is melting down big-time. This came out two days ago (video). Heilemann: "30 Million People Right Now Are Ready To Take Up Arms" For Donald Trump realclearpolitics.com WWW.REALCLEARPOLITICS.COM This happened on Meet The Press. Quote A visibly frightened John Heilemann warned Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press" that former President Trump will be in a stronger position to launch a "coup" in 2024 than he was in 2020 during a discussion about Barton Gellman's piece in The Atlantic titled "Trump's Next Coup Has Already Begun." JOHN HEILEMANN: The strength of the Gellman piece is it lays out, first of all, this extraordinary reality that there's something that 8%, and maybe as many as 12%, that say Joe Biden was illegitimate and violence is an appropriate tool to removing him and restoring Donald Trump. That's somewhere between 20 and 30 million people. That's a mass movement in America in favor of political violence, which is a new thing. We've had political violence before, lynching and many things against African-Americans, but this is 30 million people right now who are ready to take up arms. You put that together with what the president, the former president I should say, and his allies are doing in the political realm, statehouses, state legislatures and the party apparatus to be able to engineer a situation where they are in a stronger position to pull off a coup in 2024 than 2020, that's not hyperbolic at all. That's facts. The is so ridiculous, Steve Bannon has been running it at the beginning of his War Room episodes just so he can laugh at it. Does anybody really see any existence of millions of armed people in the streets? Much less 30 million? How's that for story versus reality? Dayaamm! But there is a meaning behind Heilemann's whining. He means they don't have the manpower to send 30 million people to reeducation camps right now. They don't have a way to coerce 30 million people. And they don't know what to do to get those suckers to obey. What's worse, these suckers vote. Jokes are now flying around all over the place. My favorite: One guy said we are damned straight terrified of the January 6th armed uprising at the Capitol. Just because the insurrectionists forgot to bring their guns, that doesn't mean they didn't want to. When the press gets like this, they are on the run. Even the Deep State is for Heilemann to go off like that, although the Deep State should never be underestimated. Guns don't have them terrified. Loss of power does. They know the crimes they committed with the power they held. And they are terrified of being held accountable. But they are losing power with every day that passes. Look at muh polls, even their fake polls. The direction is straight down. There is no way to hide it. And, you can be sure, they will be held accountable. Nothing can stop what is coming. Michael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Marc said: Love that!!!!!!! Oh, and btw Peter, when Trump gets reinstated, I do not believe he will have the Constitutional right to run again in 2024. As long as Trump gets back into the WH by the end of the summer of 22, he will have more than enough time to get things all cleaned up well before 2024 and then from the movement itself, other leaders will emerge. Long live The King The only way he can get back in the WH before 2025 is if he runs for Congress n becomes Speaker he'll be second in line of succession. But there won't be enough Senate votes to convict on any impeachment. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 11 hours ago, william.scherk said: Mark Meadows' January 6 texts from Fox News personalities and from Donald Trump Jr have more or less dislodged that festival of hoopla. Why would junior be texting his dad's office manager to tell his dad something? Didn't junior have a line to the big guy? Grand Hoopla! Via Memeorandum aggregator. Spoiler Hunter Walker / Rolling Stone: Two Jan. 6 Organizers Are Coming Forward and Naming Names: 'We're Turning It All Over' — After losing faith in Trump, the pair plan to hand over text messages, Instagram direct messages, and other documents related to the planning of the Jan. 6 rally on the Ellipse where Trump spoke Discussion: Washington Post: The Meadows texts and the weird Powerpoint take Jan. 6 inside the White House Kevin Breuninger / CNBC: Jan. 6 panel recommends contempt for Meadows, reveals panicked texts from Trump Jr., Fox hosts over riot Tom Sullivan / Digby's Hullabaloo: It's all fun and games until.... The Hill: Meadows moves to center of Jan. 6 probe Matt Ford / New Republic: January 6 Isn't Over Yet — What we're learning about the events of January 6, 2021, keeps getting worse. Dareh Gregorian / NBC News: Jan. 6 committee recommends Mark Meadows face contempt charge Siobhan Hughes / Wall Street Journal: House Panel Votes to Recommend Holding Mark Meadows in Contempt of Congress Daniel Chaitin / Washington Examiner: Capitol riot investigators will share ‘significant new information’ on Meadows, reporter says Sarah K. Burris / Raw Story: Jan 6 organizers warned the White House of violence — and they're turning over the docs to prove it: report CNN: Former DC National Guard commander meets with January 6 committee Hugo Lowell / The Guardian: Capitol attack panel recommends Mark Meadows for criminal prosecution Zachary Evans / National Review: January 6 Committee Votes to Recommend Contempt Charges for Mark Meadows Mark Moore / New York Post: House Jan. 6 panel recommends contempt charges for former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows abc7NY: Jan. 6 panel votes for contempt charges against Mark Meadows Benjamin Siegel / ABC News: Jan. 6 committee recommends holding Mark Meadows in criminal contempt C. Ryan Barber / Insider: Mark Meadows was just held in contempt by the special House panel investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol Anne Laurie / Balloon Juice: Open Thread: Renfield Meadows' Time in the... Spotlight Jennifer Rubin / Washington Post: Mark Meadows has already established a coup plot. Do we care enough to save the republic? RELATED: Jeremy Barr / Washington Post: Fox News hosts urged Meadows to have Trump stop Jan. 6 violence, texts show — Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Brian Kilmeade expressed alarm, concern, according to messages shared during House select committee hearing — Three Fox News hosts who have been among Donald Trump's … Discussion: Ed Morrissey / HotAir: Trump Jr, Fox hosts texts to Trump on Jan 6: Call off the riot! Zack Beauchamp / Vox: January 6 texts from Fox hosts reveal the lie at the heart of the conservative movement Jake Lahut / Insider: 'We're all helpless': Congressional reporter Jake Sherman says Mark Meadows didn't reply to his texts during the Capitol riot Robby Soave / Reason: California Reinstates Mask Mandate as Omicron Panic Devours Team Blue Melissa Quinn / CBS News: Fox News hosts urged Meadows to push Trump to stop January 6 attack, texts show Dominick Mastrangelo / The Hill: Hannity, Ingraham make no mention of text messages to Meadows on shows Colby Hall / Mediaite: CNN's John Avlon Rips Fox News Over ‘Lies’ Exposed By Bombshell Jan 6 Texts Between Trump Chief and Fox Hosts Cheryl Rofer / Lawyers, Guns & Money: Disturbing The Network — My colleague at Balloon Juice, Adam Silverman, makes an excellent observation: NBC News: Meadows text messages raise new questions in Jan. 6 probe Select Committee to Investigate …: Thompson & Cheney Opening Statements at Select Committee Business Meeting Matt Shuham / Talking Points Memo: Why Were Trump Allies Begging Him To Call Off The Capitol Attack If Antifa Did It?! Nicholas Reimann / Forbes: Fox News Stars—Ingraham, Hannity, Kilmeade—Stay Mum Over Jan. 6 Texts Urging Trump To Take Action Jonathan V. Last / The Triad: The Texts Prove, Once and For All, That Fox News Is a Propaganda Network Jake Johnson / Common Dreams: Jan. 6 Coup Plot PowerPoint in Hand, House to Vote on Criminal Charges for Mark Meadows Tengrain / Mock Paper Scissors: Coup've Got Fail Aaron Blake / Washington Post: The juicy Mark Meadows texts Liz Cheney just disclosed Sarah K. Burris / Raw Story: Fox News hosts knew Trump fans were behind MAGA riots — but still lied and blamed Antifa: Mehdi Hassan Dartunorro Clark / NBC News: Fox News hosts texted Meadows on Jan. 6 saying Trump needed to call off rioters, House panel says Roger Senserrich / Four Freedoms: ¿A quién le importa? — Pandemias — Ayer en el Atlantic publicaron un … Amanda Carpenter / The Bulwark: Fox Hosts Begged Trump to Stop the January 6 Attack on the Capitol Jackson Richman / Mediaite: Top Fox News Hosts, Don Jr. Frantically Texted Meadows During Jan. 6 Riot Begging Trump to Act: 'He's Destroying His Legacy' Nick Visser / HuffPost: Fox News Hosts, Don Jr. Texted En Masse To Get Trump To Do Something Amid Capitol Riot Jose Pagliery / The Daily Beast: Don Jr. & Fox Stars Begged Meadows: Get Trump to Stop Capitol Riot Bonchie / RedState: Liz Cheney Publicizes Donald Trump Jr. Text Messages, Manages to Kneecap Her January 6th Conspiracy Narrative Taegan Goddard / Political Wire: Fox News Hosts Urged Trump to Call Off Rioters Sarah Al-Arshani / Insider: Donald Trump Jr. texted Mark Meadows during the January 6 riot begging him to have Trump make a speech to try to stop the violence HuffPost: House Capitol Riot Panel Recommends Holding Mark Meadows In Contempt Of Congress Peter Wade / Rolling Stone: Fox News Hosts, Don Jr. Pleaded With Mark Meadows to Get Trump to Call Off Insurrection: Jan. 6 Committee Insider: Fox News hosts pleaded with Mark Meadows in text messages during January 6 siege, asking for Trump to try to end the violence Quin Hillyer / Washington Examiner: Meadows should testify about the Capitol riots more at Mediagazer » Byron York / Washington Examiner: Byron York's Daily Memo: About those Jan. 6 texts — Welcome to Byron York's Daily Memo newsletter. — Was this email forwarded to you? Sign up here to receive the newsletter. — ABOUT THOSE JAN. 6 TEXTS. The House Jan. 6 committee has released a bunch of texts … Discussion: Philip Bump / Washington Post: Fox News's shaky veneer collapses Allahpundit / HotAir: Cheney hints: We're building a case that Trump committed a federal crime on January 6 CNN: Don Lemon Tonight Sister Toldjah / RedState: About That Don Lemon/Brian Stelter Whineathon on the Fox News Capitol Riot Texts Bob Brigham / Raw Story: ‘Is it time?’ Laura Ingraham's own brother suggests she needs to be subpoenaed by Jan. 6 committee Patterico's Pontifications: Fox News: Texts? What Texts? The Daily Beast: Mark Meadows' Personal Cell Is Becoming a Personal Hell — Meadows once chaired a panel with oversight of personal communications issues. Now he has an issue of his own—and the Jan. 6 committee and the National Archives have taken note. — It turns out Mark Meadows may have good reason … Discussion: Jason Miciak / POLITICUSUSA: Trump's Iron Tight Grip on the GOP Is Undeniably Weakening Travis Gettys / Raw Story: Riot committee: Mark Meadows already facing legal jeopardy no matter what else turns up in his phone records CNN: January 6 panel unveils text messages to Meadows from Don Jr. and Fox hosts as contempt charge advances John Stoehr / The Editorial Board: Cheney hints at criminal charges for Trump in panel vote to hold Mark Meadows in contempt — The House Select Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection voted tonight to hold Mark Meadows in criminal contempt of the Congress. The full House could vote as soon as Tuesday on a contempt resolution. Discussion: Jay Kuo / The Status Kuo: Did You Catch It? Rep. Liz Cheney Just Fired a Legal Warning Shot over Trump's Head. CBS News: House January 6 committee recommends contempt charges against Mark Meadows Dominick Mastrangelo / The Hill: Meadows: ‘Leaked’ text messages from Fox News hosts have been ‘weaponized’ by committee — Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said text messages he was sent by Fox News opinion hosts amid the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol have been “weaponized” in an attempt to cast former President Trump in a negative light. Discussion: Joseph Clark / Washington Times: Meadows blasts Jan. 6 committee's contempt vote, says probe is politically driven Alan Ryland / POLITICUSUSA: Meadows Claims “Leaked” Texts from Fox Hosts Are Being “Weaponized” by House Committee Claudia Grisales / Houston Public Media: Jan. 6 panel votes to hold Meadows in contempt, sending a criminal referral to House Bradley Cortright / IJR: Meadows Claims Jan. 6 Contempt Vote Is About ‘Going After’ Trump ‘Once Again’ Politico:POLITICO Playbook: What the left doesn't get about the media Discussion: Chris Cillizza / CNN: The worst thing about Meadows' texts Washington Post: All roads lead back to Mark Meadows. Says the Jan. 6 panel. New York Times: Jan. 6 Committee Recommends Contempt Charge for Meadows New York Times:Fox News Hosts Sent Texts to Meadows Urging Trump to Act as Jan. 6 Attack Unfolded Discussion: Oliver Willis / The American Independent: Fox News refuses to report on Hannity, Ingraham text messages to White House on Jan. 6 Greg Sargent / Washington Post: Fox News hosts grew alarmed about Jan. 6 — after feeding the ‘big lie’ themselves Media Matters for America: Watch Sean Hannity and Mark Meadows ignore bombshell January 6 texts between them while excusing Donald Trump's role in the insurrection Isabel Keane / Metro.co.uk: Texts: Donald Trump Jr and Fox News hosts begged Mark Meadows to make Trump stop January 6 riot The Guardian: Fox News hosts and Trump Jr urged Mark Meadows to help stop Capitol attack, texts reveal - live A.J. Katz / TVNewser: Hannity, Ingraham, Kilmeade Texted Then-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows During Jan. 6 Insurrection, Pleading for Trump to Stop Riot Mark Moore / New York Post: Meadows blasts Jan. 6 panel after it votes to recommend contempt Shelton Brown / Un-Media: Text messages reveal concern from Fox News hosts on January 6th David Edwards / Raw Story: ‘The silence is deafening’: Dem lawmaker busts Fox News for ignoring hosts' texts to Mark Meadows Tom Porter / Insider: Fox News stars privately blamed Donald Trump for prolonging the Capitol riot, then took a different position on their shows Boston.com: Fox News Hosts Sent Texts to Meadows Urging Trump to Act as Jan. 6 Attack Unfolded Cristina Cabrera / Talking Points Memo: Fox Hosts Frantically Texted Meadows On Jan. 6 Urging Trump To Rein In Mob The Daily Wire: WATCH: Mark Meadows Responds To January 6 Committee Making Criminal Referral Against Him Paul LeBlanc / CNN:This is what Donald Trump Jr. texted Mark Meadows as violence unfolded on January 6 Discussion: Kevin Breuninger / CNBC: House set to vote on criminal contempt referral for Trump aide Mark Meadows Washington Post: House poised to vote on Meadows contempt charge for refusing to comply with the Jan. 6 committee subpoena Bloomberg: ‘He Is Destroying His Legacy:’ Read Highlights From the Text Messages to Mark Meadows Paul Blest / VICE: ‘It Has Gone Too Far’: Don Jr. Begged His Dad to Stop the Jan. 6 Rioters Kipp Jones / Mediaite: ‘Fix This Now’: Cheney Reads More Panicked Texts Meadows Received From GOP Lawmakers Urging Trump to Call Off Rioters Joseph Clark / Washington Times: Texts reveal Fox News hosts, Don Jr. begged Meadows to get Trump to act on Jan. 6 riot CNN:“This is hurting all of us” — Fox News did not bother to air Monday night's meeting … Discussion: Jennifer Rubin / Washington Post: Eight ways the House select committee is changing the conversation on Jan. 6 Tom Jones / Poynter: Fox News hosts urged Donald Trump to stop the insurrection The Daily Beast: Hannity Hosts Meadows After Their Bombshell Text Drop, Ignores It Completely Josephine Harvey / HuffPost: Hannity Interviews Meadows After Damning Jan. 6 Text Story, Doesn't Mention It At All Steve M. / No More Mister Nice Blog: THE JANUARY 6 FOX TEXTERS WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOTHING more at Mediagazer » Zachary B. Wolf / CNN:Newly revealed text messages to Meadows undercut GOP whitewashing of the insurrection Discussion: Dan Mangan / CNBC: Fox hosts, Donald Trump Jr., GOP reps begged Mark Meadows in texts to get Trump to stop Capitol riot on Jan. 6 Tom Porter / Insider: 2 mystery lawmakers texted Mark Meadows during and after the Capitol riot about ways to overturn the election Lindsey Ellefson / The Wrap: Fox News Hosts Ignore Their Newly Revealed Jan. 6 Texts to White House Mayor / One America News Network: What's at stake for Trump allies facing ‘contempt of Congress’? Christine Sellers / The Daily Caller: CNN's Don Lemon Suggests Fox News Should Be Kicked Out Of White House Press Tom Boggioni / Raw Story: Major North Carolina paper calls on Congress to drop the hammer on ‘embarrassment’ Mark Meadows Lowkell / Blue Virginia: Video: On “New Day,” Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA02) Says Trump Appears to Have Acted (to Stoke the Insurrection) *and* NOT Acted (to Call Off the Insurrection) on 1/6/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said: The only way he can get back in the WH before 2025 is if he runs for Congress n becomes Speaker he'll be second in line of succession. But there won't be enough Senate votes to convict on any impeachment. --Brant The election was fraudulent, there is plenty of proof, States are going through the process, I do not agree that that way is the only way but that would be an exciting way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 6 hours ago, william.scherk said: Grand Hoopla! William, That was interesting. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. The press is so obvious in its kangaroo court glee, the fear is flickering hot in between the cracks. btw - Wait until a different committee or official entity after the midterms subpoenas Nancy Pelosi's emails during that time. And the emails of a few others. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Brant Gaede said: The only way he can get back in the WH before 2025 is if he runs for Congress n becomes Speaker he'll be second in line of succession. But there won't be enough Senate votes to convict on any impeachment. --Brant Brant, Until I saw the brazenness of the election fraud, I would have agreed with you. After all, the only way Biden could have won the 2020 election was with massive voter fraud. And that could not have happened under our system, right? Yet it did. So now I think anything goes. We are in a legal time similar to the Civil War era. People in government on both sides will be (and actually are) improvising in order to keep order and/or hold onto power. And many of their improvisations will be accepted as legal. Just like the election fraud was accepted as legal at the time. Impossible for the government is an impossible condition in today's context. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Impossible for the government is an impossible condition in today's context. "Where there's a whip <crack!>, there's a way!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: Grand Hoopla! That was interesting. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Which lady?** My takeaway from the Grand Hoopla is that the January 6 committee of benghazi has lotsa people chewing over the details today. The details are so weird. Where was the President and what was he doing during these hours ... what was going on in the innermost inner circle? Was Meadows even "in the room" during these hours? Who was getting through? It's no wonder Meadows dodged document demands in his congressional subpoena, but having a book detail these hours (if not the details of these incoming texts), interest in the fuller story coming out peaks in the Enemy of the People section of the media stadium. ** This Cheney woman gave three minutes or so to the weirdness; cued to her introducing details from some of the texts: Guess who is not talking about the texts today? That's right, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham and the other Fox News notable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: [..] the courts are refusing to look at evidence? Is that clearer? The clearest thing would be a reference and link to at least one, maybe two or three actual examples of these "refusing to look at evidence" cases that were before courts. In the interest of least said, soonest mended, I would suggest citing from the set of Trumpworld cases brought in the suspect states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Latest update from Wendy Rogers re: Arizona, via email blast: Quote Monday was the hearing on the 2020 election in Pima. A lot happened, and you need to know, so let's get into it. Pima County had an unusually large number of anomalies for the size of the county. A private investigator who investigated the 2020 election and allegations of fraud had a lot to report. Witness testified that labs used to certify voting machines in Arizona were NOT accredited as required by both State & Federal law. Specifically the “Help America Vote Act”. They also failed to submit docs re: conflict of interest, major shareholders, etc. Liz Harrington reports:Canvass of 172 homes in Pima County found 62 early ballots where voter is not a resident 45 PERCENT were potentially fraudulent And only 52% of houses responded In fact, there were a number of towns with more registered voters than voting age population!Topawa, Arizona Voting Age Population: 182 Registered "Voters": 288 158% Registration Rate With single locations having 173 registered "voters"Then there's this town:Welcome to Sells, Arizona Voting Age Population: 1,375 Registered "Voters": 2,762 More than DOUBLE registered voters than populationThis one is my personal favorite:Frat house in Arizona has 27 registered voters. Their average age? 45.In order to believe there was no fraud in 2020, you'd have to believe that the Will Farrell movie "Old School" was a true story, in Pima, AZ. As for me? I'm not buying it! Towns with twice the number of registered voters as voting age population. Frat houses with an average age of 45. Uncertified machines. Arizona was stolen in 2020. We need to get these facts out. People don't understand how bad this problem is- and how the cracks in the system are abused. We need to get this info out! But hey, it's just "emotional conspiracy theory", right? Nothing to see here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 More news re: "Muh Insurrection!"Liz Cheney, Daily Beast Tout ‘Bombshell’ Texts That Actually Prove There Was No Insurrection "The bottom line is that Donald Trump Jr. and others texted Mark Meadows asking him to get Trump to make a statement pacifying the situation on Jan. 6, and Trump did so. This very simply and clearly proves that there was no insurrection at all and that the House’s Jan. 6 committee should make a statement to that effect and end its proceedings. But of course, its real purpose is to prevent Trump from being able to run again in 2024, and in pursuit of that goal, it will be with us for a long time to come." read full article here: Liz Cheney, Daily Beast Tout ‘Bombshell’ Texts That Actually Prove There Was No Insurrection PJMEDIA.COM The bottom line: Donald Trump Jr. and others texted Meadows asking him to get Trump to make a statement pacifying the situation on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: Which lady?** William, Fake news media prompted by the Deep State. Did you see the sheer number of headlines? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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