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On 7/26/2021 at 11:05 AM, william.scherk said:

Ken Bennett may have turned into a "traitor" ...

The audit-watchers report more drama.

The whole hideous mess is explored by my curated accounts today: http://wsscherk.com/VIDEOCASTS/A59KF/AZ-watcherstimelines.php

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For those who want to see a different drift than Twitter, if you don't have Telegram, go there, download the app and sign up to a few people you want to follow. The process is a bit clunky, but not only does it work, it is chock full of people who are no longer on Twitter. And the audience is huge.

For following the audits, a short time ago, a guy founded a channel for audits all over America. It now has about 150,000 users--and these are real users. He prunes bots and trolls. Steve Bannon pumps getting the word out to follow these people. (His War Room Podcast has 60 million daily downloads. :) ) 

Go here: America First Audits Chat.

But, but, but, it says they only have 26 028 members.

That's because these are members of the America First Audits Chat channel. Go to the pinned post dated July 27 and you will see this:

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💥 FINAL LIST OF STATE CHATS 💥

Please find your state and get settled 

AK @AKAuditChat
AL @ABAuditChat
CA @CalAuditChat
CO @COAuditChat
CT @CtAuditChat
DE @DEAuditChat
FL @FLAuditChat
GA @GAelectionauditchat
HI  @HIAuditChat
IA @IAFAuditChat
IN @INAuditChat
IL @ILAuditChat
KS @KSAuditchat
KY @KYAuditChat
LA @LAAuditChat
MA @MAAuditChat
MD @MDAuditChat
ME @MEAuditChat
MI @MichiganAuditChat
MN @MNAuditChat
MO @MOAuditChat
MS @MSAuditChat
NC @NCAuditChat
ND @NDAuditChat
NH @NHAuditChat
NJ @NJAuditChat
NM @NMAuditChat 
N V @NevadaAuditChat
NY @NYAuditChat
OH @OhioAuditChat
OK @OKAuditChat
OR @ORAuditChat
PA @PennAuditChat
RI @RIAuditChat
SC @SCAuditChat
TN @TNAuditChat
TX @TXAuditChat
UT @UTAuditChat
VA @VaAuditChat
WA @WAAuditChat
WI @WIAuditChat 
WV @WVAuditChat
WY @WYFAuditChat
AR @ARAuditChat
ID @IDAuditChat
MT @MTAuditChat
NE @NEAuditChat
SD @SDAuditChat
VT @VTAuditChat

Share & follow our main channel and chat for updates on America’s Audits.

Here is the list for people who do not have Telegram. Click on a link and you can see the chat activity on a browser.

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Add these people to the members of the main channel and that's where you get the larger number. As I said, this started only a few days ago and it already has all these states up and about 150k people actively using them.

What do they do? They share information on how to get full forensic audits in their states for the 2020 election and how to pass voting integrity laws. They deal with who to contact, what procedures are necessary, what the state laws are, how to spread the word around and get people on board, and things like that.

I imagine Twitter is not amused. But who needs Twitter to change the country? :) 

 

btw - Bopping around, I came across this statement from today by Arizona Senate President Karen Fann: 

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So Ken Bennett was barred from continuing with the Senate's recount because of the leak (which he apologized to Senator Fann for). However, he will be involved in drafting the final report.

Meanwhile the fake news media is trying to gin up a shit storm.

It sounds to me like this audit is right over target.

Notice that all the right people are communicating with each other as the alt media gets stronger and stronger. Don't forget, this post is only dealing with Telegram. There are a bunch of alt sites (like GAB, Gettr, Parler, and so on) where audit activity is being discussed and promoted. And don't forget the physical stuff. All those churches and organizations out there that hold meetings.

Short of a military takeover of the American Government and establishment of a dictatorship, there is no way for the oligarchy to stop this audit train. Also, Big Tech and even the fake news media are finally getting a taste of the limitations of their power.

:) 

Michael

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21 hours ago, william.scherk said:
On 7/26/2021 at 11:05 AM, william.scherk said:

Ken Bennett may have turned into a "traitor" ...

The audit-watchers report more drama.

Melodrama? Quality control? Transparency and integrity? 

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Wait I thought he was an audit official or regulator , has he always been the liaison?? Pretty sure it was his audit , if he quit the audit is probably bunk right? I mean he was like one of the three big maffas running it wasn't he?? Pretty sure .

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Just to round out Act Two, Jen Fifield reports Ken Bennett changed his mind about resignation. I'm guessing he wants back in the loop.

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The main person who has been overseeing the Arizona Senate's review of Maricopa County election results said late Wednesday he will continue to stay on as liaison, walking back an initial statement in the morning that he would resign.

Ken Bennett, former secretary of state who has served as the Senate's liaison, had told James T. Harris on KFYI on Wednesday morning that he will step down, in frustration at being denied access to the building where the audit is taking place and yet still being asked to continue to serve as the liaison.

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Ninjas cain't count!

 

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Thank God the government isn't paying for it (or all of it).

:)

What's happening is how real fact-checking works. 

People pissed about lies fund fact-checking.

It gets complicated because people pissed about their lies no longer working fund propaganda outfits calling themselves fact-checkers, so there's that.

So who to believe?

Well, you have to step beyond the he-said she-said frame. 

And this is where Rand comes in. Verification happens by observation. That is how you connect the abstract to reality. You observe reality. That's how I learned Objectivist epistemology.

When some fact-checkers say you can't observe results because you have to trust the people in power, and other fact-checkers put cameras 24/7 on their fact-checking activities and say anybody can watch (in addition to a slew of other transparency measures), ask who you prefer to rely on.

The answer will tell you a lot about yourself.

Michael

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Yet I guess to Canadians we in the “states” all have a southern accent.

Buddy you're a young man hard man, Shouting in the street gonna take on the world some day You got blood on yo' face, You big disgrace, Wavin' your banner all over the place We will we will rock you Sing it We will we will rock you

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Hail to the Chief! From The Wall Street Journal: . . . Mr. Trump will host a rally Saturday evening in Iowa, the state that traditionally launches the nomination process . . . . 

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I thought I would watch some of President Trump's speech in Iowa? so I went to the Newsmax channel at 8 but he wasn't there yet. I waited a while then left the channel . . . only to return in a half hour and he had just showed up. I didn't wait for an explanation. Oh well.   

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On 7/30/2021 at 12:31 AM, Peter said:

Yet I guess to Canadians we in the “states” all have a southern accent.

Buddy you're a young man hard man, Shouting in the street gonna take on the world some day You got blood on yo' face, You big disgrace, Wavin' your banner all over the place We will we will rock you Sing it We will we will rock you

I mean how much access do we have up here stuck in our igloos all day, listening to Anne Murray, watching hockey and eating donuts and drinking coffee lolllll!!!

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

Darn. You Inuits.

Slooow night. Ok. so what do you Canadians and a few select, Americans think? From Newsweek: . . . Despite attempts by some Republicans to move past Trump, he's maintained his influence on the Republican Party and regularly comes out on top as the number one choice in a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary for president. At 70 percent support, Trump had more than triple the support of any other candidate in a straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) . . . . end quote

Who should be President Trump’s running mate in 2024? Pence is out. How do these names sound? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, ex-Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Sens. Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley?

What? None of the above? So, who do you suggest?

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6 hours ago, Peter said:

Slooow night. Ok. so what do you Canadians and a few select, Americans think? From Newsweek: . . . Despite attempts by some Republicans to move past Trump, he's maintained his influence on the Republican Party and regularly comes out on top as the number one choice in a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary for president. At 70 percent support, Trump had more than triple the support of any other candidate in a straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) . . . . end quote

Who should be President Trump’s running mate in 2024? Pence is out. How do these names sound? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, ex-Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Sens. Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley?

What? None of the above? So, who do you suggest?

I guess that when our beautiful President, President Trump gets reinstated, or back in office however that is accomplished, VP Pence would also be reinstated at the same time, n'est pas? 

That being said, my guess would be that VP Pence would actually not hold the position via many different possibilities and reasons.

Whomever is the VP, post Trump being back in office would still be the VP in 24, but is Trump allowed to run in 2024 since he will already be completing his term from 2020 to 2024 ( although missung the first portion of the term?).

My guess though, to answer your question, is none of your choices, but a choice of someone in Trumps inner circle at the moment.

No idea who that is though.

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9 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Who should be President Trump’s running mate in 2024? Pence is out. How do these names sound? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, ex-Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Sens. Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley?

What? None of the above? So, who do you suggest?

Spoiled for choice? Any of the above - they all impress in ways. Whomever, just to demolish the Democrat socialists and send them into permanent disarray. From their qualities of rationality, steadiness, loyalty and good values, to balance DT's natural exuberance and bring unity to the GOP - I'd go for Pompeo or Haley at this stage. With Nikki, not a question, he'd be a shoe-in on their combined public image alone.

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This would not be the right thing to do . . . . by a long shot. If Trump did actually say or insinuate the following he is hurting his fellow republicans in 2022 and 2024. It’s B.S.

Trump Urges Republicans to Sit Out Coming Elections. Former President Trump is urging Republicans not to vote in upcoming elections unless the “fraud” of the 2020 elections is uncovered.  “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24,” Trump said in a statement released Wednesday. “It is the single most important thing for Republicans to . . . .

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8 hours ago, Peter said:

This would not be the right thing to do . . . . by a long shot. If Trump did actually say or insinuate the following he is hurting his fellow republicans in 2022 and 2024. It’s B.S.

Trump Urges Republicans to Sit Out Coming Elections. Former President Trump is urging Republicans not to vote in upcoming elections unless the “fraud” of the 2020 elections is uncovered.  “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24,” Trump said in a statement released Wednesday. “It is the single most important thing for Republicans to . . . .

Peter,

Trump urged no such thing. Your quote is from the National Review (see here) and it is pure spin.

Let me do this by analogy to make it so clear, even a caveman will understand it. :) 

I say if our leaders drop a nuclear bomb on an Iranian city, it will blow up a lot of Iranians. Then the press says I support blowing up Iranians with nuclear bombs. Or I am urging our leaders to blow up Iranians with nuclear bombs. Etc. etc. etc.

And that is pure nonsense.

So please reread Trump's words and if they still sound to you like urging, you have difficulty separating fact from spin. And if this is the case, I think I have discovered the reason we disagree so heartily on things at times.

Identifying a fact is not rhetoric. And rhetoric is not a correct epistemological form for identifying facts. 

Michael

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

So please reread Trump's words and if they still sound to you like urging, you have difficulty separating fact from spin. And if this is the case, I think I have discovered the reason we disagree so heartily on things at times.

From The National Review. “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24,” Trump said in a statement released Wednesday. “It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.”

So Michael, if Trump said the above quoted words, is he actually saying OR meaning, Republicans WILL BE voting in ’22 and ’24?

Let me remove all but President Trump’s words: “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.”

Based on those words I would say it means don’t vote in the next two elections and not voting is the single most, important thing for Republicans to do. Did he say those words or did the Nat Review make up or alter his words?

 

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A lot of folks on the net ARE agreeing with my interpretation of Trump saying, don’t vote, unless everything is fixed to his/our satisfaction. I looked for someone who did agree with Michael’s interpretation and found the following.  

Liz Harrington at realLizUSA. President Trump did not say don't vote. He pointed out the obvious consequence of not fixing fraud and holding those who broke laws accountable will be Republicans sitting out If we don't fix our elections, many voters will think their vote won't count end quote

Perhaps President Trump will clarify his words and thinking. I too can interpret it as saying he could lose again because the people who would have voted for him, won’t, because their vote won’t be counted. Peter

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2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

So please reread Trump's words and if they still sound to you like urging, you have difficulty separating fact from spin.

Peter,

You just wrote:

51 minutes ago, Peter said:

Let me remove all but President Trump’s words: “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.”

Based on those words I would say it means don’t vote in the next two elections and not voting is the single most, important thing for Republicans to do.

"I would say it means..."

There's the problem.

Those words from Trump don't mean what you say they mean.

Here is what Trump's words do mean, in his own words, and this is literal, not from the "I would say" universe:

The single most important thing is to "solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020."

If that single most important thing is not done, the consequence will be that "Republicans will not be voting in ’22 and ’24."

That's what Trump's words mean. He's not commanding people to not vote. He's saying he knows the character of MAGA people and--on their own volition--they will not come out to vote if they believe the election will be a farce like in 2020.

(Apropos, I think Trump would suck on a dill pickle in public before he would ever use the word "volition" in campaign and PR mode. :) )

In fact, I know I can find other quotes of Trump saying this same meaning openly and in clearer terms if I ever took the time. I've heard it several times. But that's a total waste of time because pretty soon he's going to say it again. And again. And again. (Lots of rallies coming.)

What's worse is that he's right.

Anyone familiar with Trump's style and history knows that he would never say "don't vote." Hell, his problem with Lin Wood was that Lin Wood was telling Georgians not to vote during the Senate race scam in 2020 and Trump came out saying the opposite at the time. He told people the race was crooked, but they had to take the shot.

Trump is not Galt, who walked away as a strategy.

Trump never walks away from a fight. Not when he's in the arena.

Remember this quote? Trump's exact quote about John McCain:

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He's not a war hero. He's a war hero... He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured.

That's Trump.

Not that spin by a National Review anti-Trumper Lincoln-Project-ass-kissing toady.

Michael

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8 minutes ago, Peter said:

I looked for someone who did agree with Michael’s interpretation and found the following.  

Liz Harrington at realLizUSA. President Trump did not say don't vote. He pointed out the obvious consequence of not fixing fraud and holding those who broke laws accountable will be Republicans sitting out If we don't fix our elections, many voters will think their vote won't count end quote

Peter,

Liz is right.

The other version is spin perpetrated on purpose to muddy the waters.

Trump has the establishment crooks terrified. And that includes the Neocon Republicans.

(They would never do dirty tricks or lie, right? Heh... :) )

Michael

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Anyone running for office should pick their words well . . . at least well enough so that a direct quote cannot be taken literally and then used against your campaign. That is sort of a joke. What percent of Trump voters "could" take that literally and not vote for him in 2024 because massive fraud was not proved in 2020?

"Hey! I was only kidding! / trying to make a point," ain't good enough. In the mean time I will try and train my "lying eyes' to only see good things. As Joe Friday didn't used to say, "Just the sweet interpretation of the facts, Sir."  

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Splittin' hairs over what Trump as a warning that Trump is hurting his "fellow Republicans" (re: mostly Rino's and "Never Trumpers") while Biden and co. are on a clear, literal path of destruction of the U.S. is the most naive and tone-deaf claims one could come up with right now.

The country's falling apart under Biden, as his administration says stupid, contradictory, and Anti-American things all day, but Oh, NO! Trump said something that could be taken out of context and hurt those who didn't help him!

Spare me.

Fortunately, the majority are waking up to such nonsense, and already don't trust the establishment GOP farther than they can throw them, while seeing that the left blatanly committed election fraud (you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time), and experiencing/FEELING the effects of the Biden adminstration's policies first-hand enough to know what's going on, and who's to blame.
 

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"The Biden regime cares more about pronouns and what bathroom people use than the border, inflation, jobs, and the economy, combined."

 

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12 hours ago, Peter said:

This would not be the right thing to do . . . . by a long shot. If Trump did actually say or insinuate the following he is hurting his fellow republicans in 2022 and 2024. It’s B.S.

I also started my thinking on the subject as "this interpretation must be B.S" as shown above. And I remember the John McCain rhubarb pie and it was very tart. Trump would have been better off ignoring him and by definitely not talking about prisoners of war .  . . at all.

That reminds me of my last time at a local VFW post (or was it at another place?) The moderator wanted all the attending vets who had served overseas during the Viet Nam War to stand up. I did not want to stand because I had served in South Korea during the war, but my family urged me to stand up so I did. My son in law's father was with us, and he did serve in Viet Nam and had a bad time of it too. It made me embarrassed.

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