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7 minutes ago, merjet said:

The OO folks were correct.

I didn't realize any OL member needed the approval of OO people for validation on OL.

(btw - I like OO people. We just run on different tracks.)

So Tony, just ignore that OO comment. It was shit posting and nothing more.

btw - If someone said Merlin needed OO approval on OL, I would respond in the same manner.

OL members do not--and never will--need the approval of OO people for anything on OL. And, I presume, ditto the other way around.

That's as it should be. And is.

Michael

 

 

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It is intriguing.  I've been fairly obsessed for about a year with thinking about details.  I find microbiology fascinating. I wouldn't be wise, however, to talk about details.  The schemers are

That's what it says at the top of the page.  Your point?  It's not like this thread has devolved into a medley of cat videos.  Yet.  

Might as well do to them now. If they get back in power they'll do it to us regardless. --Brant

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3 hours ago, anthony said:

. . . Seeing you have showed a fervent dislike of him, I assume Biden/Harris were your choice.

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Tony, come on. Wake up. If participants can't remember three months back, even when it is written and retrievable for them, what is the point of these "communications"?

Merlin Jetton wrote on 9/27/20:

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 I judge candidates according to where he/she fits on my ranking scale from -10 to +10, where -10 = totalitarian and +10 = advocates equal, optimal freedoms for all, the state doing only its proper functions. The extremes being -10 = maximum coercion or bullying and +10 = minimum coercion or bullying would be a good scale, too. Economic freedoms get their due weight in where I rank anybody. Regarding actual voting, it is usually and unfortunately the case of choosing the lesser of two evils.

I put Biden well on the negative side of that scale. Trump is negative, too, but not as negative. Biden is a wishy-washy leftist, follower-not-leader, and a puppet. So for him it’s more a matter of whom I expect would be his puppeteers. He has been a politician for over 50 years. He hasn’t been a real producer of anything except four children. If he gets elected, his exercise of power will be heavily influenced by others, such as Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, HRC, and AOC, all totalitarians. He is very pro-intervention on foreign policy, except he opposed the 1991 Gulf War! I expect he would too readily kowtow to the U.N.

The thought of Biden being Commander-in-Chief of the military makes me shudder. Of course, he will get advice from the military. But what if the advisors strongly disagree? Then he would need to decide. Ugh. What would he do? Call Obama and hope for something to change?

. . .

There is plenty for me to rate Trump a negative. Most of them are common knowledge. Positive? He reduced corporate tax rates. He hasn’t kowtowed to the U.N. or Iran. He hasn’t led the U.S. into an extended and costly war (e.g. in Syria) like George W. Bush and Obama did.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Guyau said:

I put Biden well on the negative side of that scale. Trump is negative, too, but not as negative. Biden is a wishy-washy leftist, follower-not-leader, and a puppet.

Well Guyau quoted Merlin.

Sorry, I don’t remember his name, but one of President Reagan’s economic advisors was on Fox Business with Cavuto today and surprisingly he did not think Biden / Harris would wreck the economy, nor will Biden greatly raise taxes. Cavuto countered with a short list of tax hikes that Biden has mentioned.

Charley Gasparino was saying Wall Street is bracing for post Covid tax hikes especially in New York City and major Big Apple firms are relocating to Florida and Texas.

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1 hour ago, Guyau said:

Tony, come on. Wake up. If participants can't remember three months back, even when it is written and retrievable for them, what is the point of these "communications"?

Merlin Jetton wrote on 9/27/20:

 

"A smug pro-Trumper..." Among other remarks at me.

What impression does that leave one with? He's a Trump fan? I'm not really interested in following everybody's posts back 3 months to find their political affiliations, and if I did the above would appear a recent change of heart.

 

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10 hours ago, anthony said:

What is the subject? It says Donald Trump at the top. Seeing you have showed a fervent dislike of him, I assume Biden/Harris were your choice.

I'm one step ahead of you, the personal experience of socialism in Zim and here, not just in theory. You wouldn't like it.

Tony,

In the interest of being objective, Stephen is right. Merlin has days where he attacks Trump and days when he is in favor. I don't recall him ever liking Obama. It's a cognitive error to say otherwise.

The danger of crossing swords with Merlin is the same as with Jon before. He personalizes everything in a real nasty tone and constantly gloats when he thinks he has won a point. This causes an automatic reaction of anger (which is the whole point of why he--or anyone for that matter--trolls). And that anger causes errors. I've seen this happen several times with several people.

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The best way to deal with this is to ignore it. That is, unless you want to spend long hours on a time suck that goes nowhere. 

:) 

If you ignore it and don't feed him when he is trolling, he gets bored and stops. If you feed him, he will go on all day and night with inanities, generally repeating (or varying) what you just said, but aiming it at you

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Nobody, and I mean nobody, believes anything critical about you just because he says so, especially when he is in troll mode.

(I know this is a bad idea, but I just couldn't resist. :) )

Michael

 

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Right, got it. Thanks, Michael. That personalizing anybody over the ideas hasn't been for me on the forums, and gives an underhanded advantage to those who pull it on me. Sort of: "You're not just an idiot, your face is ugly too!".

In American Football, any player can tackle/block anyone else without or with the ball, but I was brought up on Rugby where you can only play to the ball at the cost of being penalized if you tackle/ impede a non-carrying opponent. You might say I play by my rules, going for the ball not the player. (I could argue why Rugby is the better game, all day long, while admitting there's a distinct kick to playing American style at times... ).

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9 hours ago, anthony said:

Right, got it. Thanks, Michael. That personalizing anybody over the ideas hasn't been for me on the forums, and gives an underhanded advantage to those who pull it on me. Sort of: "You're not just an idiot, your face is ugly too!".

LOL.  😀  😄

Anthony gets duped by MSK's mis-diagnosis. Then he tries hypocrisy. He doesn't personalize anything? LOL. Here is anthony to me within only the last 24 hours:

"I think your trouble is that you would not see the way to individual freedom if you tripped over it" (link).

"I'm one step ahead of you" (link).

In other words, his arrogance posing as a rational argument.

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merjet. After posing "a Trump theocracy", and "smug pro-Trumper" personalized at me, anyone could only and rationally presume your Trump-opposition. Therefore, one against freedom as a whole, in my opinion, and for the Leftist alternative towards socialism.

I didn't know until informed that your opinion has varied, has been inconsistent, against/for Trump.

But I see what you are up to. To the extent of the low tactic of an appeal to someone's opinion of me in another forum.

You goad. Then others drop to "personalizing" also, and then tit for tat, and so on.

The zookeeper advises against feeding the trolls. He is right. I won't enter your game.

 

 

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Here's someone getting a bit ahead of himself.

Russia’s Putin congratulates Biden on winning U.S. election

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24 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
1 hour ago, william.scherk said:

I'm confused.

I doubt it.  

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3 hours ago, Jules Troy said:

4 years of whinging 👿

Jules,

This Presidential election isn’t a choice between Tweedledee or Teeedledum.  It's a choice between the continued regrowth or the death of American freedom.

If Biden is inaugurated, there are people who won’t be "whinging."  They'll be taking to arms.

Ellen

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Of interest to legal-beagles and court-watchers on OL, Jenna Ellis appeared on Sebastian Gorka's programme to talk strategy and tactics. Brief selection below.

Gorka got to business a little while ago:

 

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On 12/15/2020 at 10:59 AM, anthony said:

merjet. After posing "a Trump theocracy", and "smug pro-Trumper" personalized at me, anyone could only and rationally presume your Trump-opposition. Therefore, one against freedom as a whole, in my opinion, and for the Leftist alternative towards socialism.

I didn't know until informed that your opinion has varied, has been inconsistent, against/for Trump.

But I see what you are up to. To the extent of the low tactic of an appeal to someone's opinion of me in another forum.

You goad. Then others drop to "personalizing" also, and then tit for tat, and so on.

The zookeeper advises against feeding the trolls. He is right. I won't enter your game.

Heh. Re theocracy, you dropped the context. You first arbitrarily invoked ‘theocracy’ trying to sneer at Andrew Sullivan, who did not use the word. “Theocracy’ implies more than a fusion of religious and political ideas. The more is real people practicing them in real-world politics. By your murky, presumptive premises, Sullivan must have meant a theocracy in the USA. I applied your premises to infer a theocracy in the USA in a different way that you didn’t like – Trump and Paula White-Cain – but wholly consistent with your premises. That's checking your premises.

Your 2nd sentence is a non sequitur and a smear of me.

My positions of liking X about Trump but not Y about Trump is not logically inconsistent. If you believe it is, then you must like everything about Trump, including all his lies, bs, and bad performances, or else you are inconsistent.

Low tactic? My referring to OO members was merely mentioning another judgment like mine – trying to have a rational discussion with you is a waste of time. If I had not mentioned OO, then would have my expressing that judgment be okay with you? Moreover, why did I see no objection from you when MSK fabricated junk about my reference to OO, tried to cram the junk into my mouth, and then criticize it?

“Goad” is a loaded word; “challenge” is much better. I challenged your questionable assumptions and questionable logic; I didn’t goad them.

You want to play zoo metaphors? Okay, try this. Maybe I’m the janitor at the zoo trying to identify the results of carelessness, faulty premises, and faulty logic. It sure needs done.

Is that enough "personalizing" – identifying who said (and did not say) what -- for you?

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MSK made a parody Sep 19: https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/17667-current-riots-in-america-june-2020/?do=findComment&comment=299439

I apologize for taking so long to return the favor.

Mighty MSK at the Bat

It was a fine but gusty, windy day for baseball in OLville. The home team was behind in runs 2-0, going into the bottom of the 9th. The visitors' pitcher was nicknamed The Magician, since he could baffle hitters with his toolkit of pitches, including tricky ones, made with superb control. He was often compared to Greg Maddux in his prime (e.g. 1995).

Still, the home team managed to get two runners on base. The home team's play-by-play sportscaster, who was much like the late Harry Caray, announced the mighty MSK's turn to bat. The mighty MSK had doubled earlier in the game when his high pop-up, easily caught on most days, was blown by a big gust of wind beyond the fielder's reach.

With the count 2-1, the mighty MSK swung at the next pitch. All heard the loud crack as his bat struck the ball. The crowd roared. The sportscaster began his oft-heard commentary. "It might be. It could be." Many in the crowd stood. ThatGuy and Marc leaped and yelled with delight.

Then the flight of the ball began to curve and curved more and more, enhanced by the wind. The ball sailed well over HR-distance but landed foul by more than 50 feet. The sportscaster continued, "It is. [long pause] Oh, no. It's a long-winded foul ball!" The home-team crowd sighed, but they kept hope for change they liked.

The next pitch was a gem. It neared the plate well outside and low. Then MSK watched --stunned -- as the ball curved in and apparently rose over the outside edge of the plate. His bat stayed over his shoulder. The ump yelled, "Ste-e-e-e-rike three!" Sadly, there was no joy in OLville that day. The home team lost.

In a post-game interview a local reporter asked The Magician, “You were sure lucky with that pitch MSK crushed in the 9th, weren’t you?” The Magician grinned widely, then said “Lucky?” [long pause] “Do you have another question?”

 

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