Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 How can there be proof when crooked courts do not accept evidence, when the mainstream media won't even mention it, and when tech giants openly censor people talking about it? Watch the videos of the different hearings I have provided here on OL and anyone can see all the evidence they need. There is gobs and gobs of it. And from what I understand, the hearings only scratch the surface. Soon this evidence will be in the respective courts--going straight up to the Supreme Court--in a form where it can be transformed into proof. Or, alternatively, watch what a few state legislatures do with these "allegations easy to make." Agree or disagree, at least look. When people talk about evidence and proof, they should at least look. Ellen looks. I know because she has been discussing it with me. In my view, this topic is way too important to go off into trolling and flaming. But to each his own. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinReborn Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Trump is going to lose and the world will be better off because of it. Some of his supporters will move on - and those who don't will be exchanging their rationality for whatever hopes and emotions Trump's lies, false promises and distortions had given them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 What part of American nationalism makes the world worse off? Specifically what Trump policies harm 'the world', and actually specifically what do you mean by ' the world'? 14 minutes ago, RobinReborn said: Trump is going to lose and the world will be better off because of it. Some of his supporters will move on - and those who don't will be exchanging their rationality for whatever hopes and emotions Trump's lies, false promises and distortions had given them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 RR, Do you only speak in negative opinions and in the future tense? On a serious note, do you want to discuss this or are you here to troll? If I understand you, you don't think the people on OL who support Trump are rational. But even worse, from what you said, they were rational once and exchanged their rationality for deceptive handouts from Trump. That doesn't sound like you are interested in any discussion. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: How can there be proof when crooked courts do not accept evidence, when the mainstream media won't even mention it, and when tech giants openly censor people talking about it? It's a question with a few entailments. A loaded question, as it were. Quote Watch the videos of the different hearings I have provided here on OL and anyone can see all the evidence they need. There is gobs and gobs of it. And from what I understand, the hearings only scratch the surface. Soon this evidence will be in the respective courts--going straight up to the Supreme Court--in a form where it can be transformed into proof. Which particular appeal to the Court do you think will be the first accepted? Quote Or, alternatively, watch what a few state legislatures do with these "allegations easy to make." Agree or disagree, at least look. When people talk about evidence and proof, they should at least look. I think the Krakenstein monster has met an unforeseen situation with The Villagers: Quo vadis? Barr: No evidence of fraud that’d change election outcome (apnews.com) Edited December 1, 2020 by william.scherk Added link to AP story on Attorney-General William Barr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 The same AP service that in an article about clashes between rivals groups in DC the night of the MAGA March/ Stop the Steal demonstrations estimated the crowd at about 10-15 k attendees of the marches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, tmj said: The same AP service that in an article about clashes between rivals groups in DC the night of the MAGA March/ Stop the Steal demonstrations estimated the crowd at about 10-15 k attendees of the marches? Well, AP has over 3,000 employees. If you want to discover what William Barr had to say, AP broke the story -- under the byline of Mike Balsamo. Subsequent stories may or may not have the same level of detail. There are a few Trump-friendly media reports which can also offer details, according to your preferences, among which may be Breitbart, Red State, Gateway Pundit, The Blaze ... Spoiler Michael Balsamo / Associated Press: Barr: No evidence of fraud that'd change election outcome — WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. Discussion: Business Insider: Defying Trump, Attorney General Barr says the DOJ and the FBI didn't discover any evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election Quin Hillyer / Washington Examiner: Trump should accede to Attorney General William Barr and thus concede ABC News: Barr appoints US attorney as special counsel in origins of Russia probe investigation Ryan Lucas / NPR: Barr: DOJ Has No Evidence Of Fraud Affecting 2020 Election Outcome Stephanie K. Baer / BuzzFeed News: Bill Barr Said There's No Evidence Of Voter Fraud To Change The Election Outcome Greg Walters / VICE: Bill Barr Just Kneecapped Trump's Election Conspiracy Theory Ursula Perano / Axios: Barr says DOJ has not seen evidence of fraud that would change election results Evan Perez / CNN: William Barr says there is no evidence of widespread fraud in presidential election Andrew C. McCarthy / National Review: Barr: No Proof of Massive Election Fraud Kristina Wong / Breitbart: Report: Bill Barr Says DOJ Has Not Uncovered Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud Alex Thomas / IJR: Schumer Suggests Barr Is ‘the Next One To Be Fired’ After Breaking With Trump on Voter Fraud Allegations Jerry Lambe / Law & Crime: Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis Lost Their Minds When Bill Barr Said Game Over, and Lawyers Had Some Thoughts Jeff Charles / RedState: AG William Barr: No Evidence Of Enough Voter Fraud To ‘Change The Outcome Of The Election’ Kathryn Krawczyk / The Week: Trump's campaign lawyers turn on Barr Red Painter / Crooks and Liars: AG Barr Finds No Evidence Of Election Fraud, Heads To White House Chris Pandolfo / TheBlaze: AG Barr: DOJ has followed up on credible claims of voter fraud, has not found fraud on scale that could change election results Joe Gandelman / The Moderate Voice: Barr: DOJ hasn't uncovered widespread fraud that would change election results HotAir: Bill Barr: Why No, The DOJ Hasn't Uncovered Any Widespread Voter Fraud Or Detected Any Software Chicanery; Update: Trump Lawyers Fire Back Josh Feldman / Mediaite: Trump Legal Team Fires Back at Bill Barr For Swatting Down Election Claims, Accuses Him of Speaking ‘Without Any Knowledge’ Cristina Laila / The Gateway Pundit: Trump Legal Team Slams Bill Barr Comments on Voter Fraud, 'There Hasn't Been Any Semblance of a DOJ Investigation' Abigail Weinberg / Mother Jones: Attorney General Bill Barr Says There's No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud Sarah K. Burris / Raw Story: ‘Acting-AG Rudy Giuliani?’: Americans speculate if Bill Barr will be fired after declaring no 2020 election fraud Kemberlee Kaye / Le·gal In·sur·rec· tion: AG Barr: No Criminal Fraud on a Scale That Would Change Outcome of Election, Trump's Legal Team Responds Max Boot / Washington Post: Trump won't concede because it's so profitable to keep the con going Anders Hagstrom / The Daily Caller: Bill Bar: DOJ Has Found No Evidence Of Fraud Changing Result Of Election Paul Campos / Lawyers, Guns & Money: Ben Wittes vindicated at last! Joan McCarter / Daily Kos: Does even Bill Barr have a limit? He declares the election valid, fraud-free Reagan McCarthy / Associated Press: AG Barr: Justice Department Uncovered no ‘Widespread Voting Fraud’ Robert J. Bentley / THE LIBERTY HERALD: Attorney General William Barr: No evidence of election fraud CBS San Francisco: Attorney General Barr: No Evidence Of Fraud That Would Change Election Result The Guardian: Barr says no evidence of fraud that would change US election outcome - live Ann Althouse / Althouse: “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election” — said Attorney General William Barr. Jonathan H. Adler / Reason: Attorney General Barr Says There Is No Evidence of Election Fraud that Would Have Changed Election Outcome CBS Los Angeles: AG Barr: No Evidence Of Widespread Fraud In Election RELATED: Associated Press: Barr appoints special counsel in Russia probe investigation — WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr has given extra protection to the prosecutor he appointed to investigate the origins of the Trump-Russia probe, giving him the authority of a special counsel to complete his work without being easily fired. Discussion: Zachary Basu / Axios: Barr appoints special counsel to continue investigating origins of Russia probe Jerry Dunleavy / Washington Examiner: Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel to investigate further criminality in Russia inquiry Bill Faries / Bloomberg: Barr Appoints Durham Special Counsel on Russia Probe Origin Shipwreckedcrew / RedState: Attorney General Barr Appoints John Durham as “Special Counsel” To Continue Investigation into Russia Hoax Joe Walsh / Forbes: Barr Names John Durham Special Counsel To Investigate Trump-Russia Probes HotAir: Barr Names Durham Special Counsel In Order To Make It Harder For Biden To Fire Him S.A. Miller / Washington Times: AG Barr protects Durham probe with special counsel designation Jacob Heilbrunn / Spectator USA: Trump's big Bill Barr bust Joel B. Pollak / Breitbart: AG Barr Appoints John Durham Special Counsel to Protect Probe of Russia Investigation Zachary Evans / National Review: Barr Appoints Durham as Special Counsel to Continue Probe under Biden KVIA-TV: Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel investigating 2016 presidential campaign investigators Bradley Cortright / IJR: Barr Appoints Durham as Special Counsel To Continue Probe of the Russia Investigation Josh Feldman / Mediaite: Bill Barr Appoints John Durham as Special Counsel in Investigation of Russia Probe Kristinn Taylor / The Gateway Pundit: Breaking: Barr Appointed John Durham as Special Counsel for Crossfire Hurricane Investigation in October The American Independent: Barr wants to make sure DOJ keeps investigating Democrats after he's gone emptywheel: The Investigations into the Russian Investigation Have Lasted 69% Longer than the Russian Investigation Itself David Badash / Raw Story: Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel so that Russia probe will continue under Biden Tristan Justice / The Federalist: Barr Appoints John Durham As Special Counsel To Investigate Russiagate Spying Abuses Jason Easley / POLITICUSUSA: William Barr Sabotages Biden By Making John Durham A Special Counsel Chuck Ross / The Daily Caller: Barr Appoints Special Counsel To Continue Investigation Into Origins Of Trump-Russia Probe Tim O'Donnell / The Week: Barr says Justice Department has found no evidence of election-altering fraud Katelyn Polantz / CNN: Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel investigating 2016 presidential campaign investigators Taegan Goddard / Political Wire: Barr Appoints Special Counsel to Examine Russia Probe New York Times: Barr Admits Finding No Evidence of Fraud That Could Have Swayed Election — The attorney general made the comments in an interview with The Associated Press. A Republican official in Georgia urged President Trump to “stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence.” Discussion: Chris Stirewalt / Fox News: Gangsters' paradise? — Washington has a tendency when it comes to bipartisanship … Noah Feldman / Bloomberg: Pardoning Giuliani Would Put Trump in Legal Jeopardy David Weigel / Washington Post: The Trailer: What Biden and the left are demanding of each other Peter Stone / The Atlantic: Is Rudy Giuliani Just Trying to Save Himself? Matthew Choi / Politico: Barr and Giuliani clash over allegations of election fraud CNBC: DOJ has not found fraud that would reverse Biden win over Trump, Attorney General William Barr says Lauren Egan / NBC News: Barr says no evidence of widespread voter fraud, defying Trump John L. Dorman / Business Insider: Mitch McConnell for the first time appears to accept Biden's election victory over Trump Bess Levin / Vanity Fair: Is Trump Going to Preemptively Pardon His Entire Family, Just In Case? Harold Meyerson / American Prospect: Why the Democrats Flopped in House and Senate Races Lori Robertson / FactCheck.org: Trump Repeats Baseless, False Claims About the Election Kathryn Krawczyk / The Week: Georgia election official demands Trump stop ‘inspiring’ violence: 'Someone's going to get killed' Mairead McArdle / National Review: Trump Campaign Clashes with Barr for Pushing Back on Voter Fraud Claims Kerry Eleveld / Daily Kos: Senate Republicans, who personified partisan hackery under Trump, call Biden Cabinet pick ‘partisan’ Oliver Willis / The American Independent: ‘This has to stop’: Georgia election official begs Trump to condemn violent threats Rudy Giuliani / The Guardian: Giuliani and Trump reported to have discussed ‘pre-emptive pardon’ Michael Balsamo / NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth: Disputing Trump, Barr Says No Widespread Election Fraud Alan Ryland / POLITICUSUSA: Giuliani Discussed a Pre-emptive Pardon with Trump Paul Campos / Lawyers, Guns & Money: Everybody here hates you — Gosh, I wonder who's been working on Maggie's access farm this morning? Stephen A. Crockett Jr / The Root: Pardon Me? Rudy Giuliani Reportedly Talked to President About Preemptive Pardon Josh Kovensky / Talking Points Memo: NYT: Giuliani Discussed ‘Pre-emptive Pardon’ With Trump Anders Hagstrom / The Daily Caller: REPORT: Rudy Giuliani Has Discussed Receiving Preemptive Pardon With Trump Ken Meyer / Mediaite: Rudy Giuliani is Discussing a Pre-Emptive Pardon With Trump: NYT Sarah K. Burris / Raw Story: The View's Whoopi Goldberg tells Trump: 'You're not going to run in 2024 if you're in jail, my friend' Mike Brest / Washington Examiner: Giuliani denies report saying he spoke to Trump about a pardon Ben Yakas / Gothamist: Early Addition: Rudy Giuliani Reportedly Sniffing Around For Preemptive Pardon Glenn Reynolds / Instapundit: GOALPOSTS, MOVED? Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department … Tengrain / Mock Paper Scissors: Rudy: ‘Pardon Me?’ — Prznint Stupid's Stupidest Lawyer ™ Rudy Giuliani is in the news again. Ed Morrissey / HotAir: NYT: Giuliani Hit Up Trump For A “Pre-Emptive” Pardon For Some Reason Matt Zapotosky / Washington Post:Barr says he hasn't seen fraud that could affect the election outcome Discussion: Brooke Singman / Fox News: Barr: DOJ yet to find widespread voter fraud that could have changed 2020 election Alexander Mallin / ABC News: DOJ hasn't uncovered widespread fraud that would change election results: Barr Jerry Dunleavy / Washington Examiner: Barr breaks with Trump in saying DOJ hasn't found voter fraud that would alter 2020 election outcome Sarah N. Lynch / Reuters: U.S. Justice Department has found no evidence of widespread voter fraud: AP Jason Easley / POLITICUSUSA: Barr Defies Trump And Says FBI And DOJ Found No Election Fraud Sky Palma / Raw Story: Bill Barr: There's no evidence of voter fraud that could overturn the election Fox News:Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel to investigate origins of Russia probe Discussion: Politico: Barr taps Durham as special counsel, pushing probe into Biden era Brendan Morrow / The Week: Barr announces he appointed a special counsel in Russia probe investigation before the election Updated. Edited December 1, 2020 by william.scherk Added bonus Lou Dobbs Tonight intro on Barr from today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, william.scherk said: Quo vadis? Barr: No evidence of fraud that’d change election outcome (apnews.com) Lin Wood blasted Bill Barr, too. But then he said this: The press sure is doing double-time... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 hours ago, tmj said: The same AP service that in an article about clashes between rivals groups in DC the night of the MAGA March/ Stop the Steal demonstrations estimated the crowd at about 10-15 k attendees of the marches? T, You are absolutely right not to jump on this, but instead question the credibility of the source. As I posted in another thread, even CBS is starting to turn around. I think William was a bit too gleeful, don't you? That was an awful lot of headlines... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I prefer interview interviews , and even better when after it ‘sits’ for awhile no participants blame any editing. Reports/stories about interviews , without documenting the questions , are meaningful in the sense that the writers can put all the meaning in. And let’s not even get started on headlines about stories about interviews. But this isn’t news , yeah ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I had two calls after supper that went to the answering machine. I could hear from the other room that they both had President Trump speaking. My wife had erased them before I could hear them. I read the news today oh boy, and after a recount Georgia’s electoral college votes there go to Biden who now “technically” has 303 votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 10:33 AM, william.scherk said: On 9/29/2020 at 12:29 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: At any rate, we have been hearing that [Parscale] was suicidal and hysterical and God knows what. He was taken for mental health evaluation, on an emergency Baker Act hold. Brad Parscale gave an interview to Fox News Martha MacCallum which was made public today: Brad Parscale accuses 'D-level' 'talking heads' around Trump of forcing him out of 2020 campaign The Story | Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Trump, COVID-19, Rudy Giuliani ... all together in one tweet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Thanks William. I had no idea Rudy was 76 years old. Peter From The Wall Street Journal. Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading President Trump’s effort to challenge the results of the presidential election, was admitted to a Washington hospital on Sunday and has tested positive for Covid-19, a person familiar with his condition said. Mr. Giuliani, who is 76 years old, was admitted to Georgetown University Medical Center, the person said. The severity of his condition was unclear. Earlier on Sunday, Mr. Trump had said on Twitter that Mr. Giuliani had tested positive for the coronavirus . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) President Trump took questions today during the televised briefing at the White House (on the Warp Speed vaccine success and schedules). The clip below was cut to fit within the Twitter length limits, and so will appear a bit odd -- I cut out intakes of breath and sped it up by 20%. Spoiler (44) The Supremes - Stop! In The Name of Love [The Hollywood Palace - 1965] - YouTube Edited December 8, 2020 by william.scherk Nostalgia for a simpler time of "Youngsters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 President Trump mentions the "Biden Administration" in a tweet: I've changed my opinion about the Supreme Court handling of the Texas v Pennsylvania case on its docket. I hope that they do not rule without issuing a written opinion. The docket is now complete with the final response from Texas to filings by various interested parties. Docket for 22O155 (supremecourt.gov) Of the interested parties who filed amicus requests are the States of New California and New Nevada. I believe that the chances of Texas prevailing against Pennsylvania are greater than one in one quadrillion raised to the fourth power. As they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Christianism And Our Democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Here's something nice. It just happened Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Here's something nice. It just happened Michael Nice...but wondering if there's something more to it? Praying Medic points out that it's only in effect for this year's Christmas eve... Wondering...wondering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, ThatGuy said: Nice...but wondering if there's something more to it? TG, Shuffling money around and stimulus for Xmas? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: TG, Shuffling money around and stimulus for Xmas? Michael Giving a salute to the Christian crusaders who have been supporting him? Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said: Giving a salute to the Christian crusaders who have been supporting him? Ellen Nice sentiment, but it seems to be more to it than that: Section 1: “All executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government shall be closed and their employees excused from duty on Tuesday, December 24, 2019, the day before Christmas Day.” Section 2: “The heads of executive departments and agencies may determine that certain offices and installations of their organizations, or parts thereof, must remain open and that certain employees must report for duty on Dec. 24, 2020, for reasons of national security, defense, or other public need,” the order reads." And someone pointed out the similarity to this and when Washington crossed the Delaware on a Christmas ambush in a "Durham" boat...not necessarily that something will happen on Christmas, but that this is a signal... That said: T"his is the third year in a row that Trump given federal employees an extra day off before Christmas. He closed federal agencies last year, the first president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to grant the day off on Dec. 24 when Christmas Eve fell on a Tuesday." So, who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ThatGuy said: That said: T"his is the third year in a row that Trump given federal employees an extra day off before Christmas. He closed federal agencies last year, the first president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to grant the day off on Dec. 24 when Christmas Eve fell on a Tuesday." Oh, I didn’t know that Trump had given Federal employees the day off on Dec. 24 the last two years. That makes the idea that he's doing it this year as a symbolic gesture to his Christian champions implausible. 1 hour ago, ThatGuy said: And someone pointed out the similarity to this and when Washington crossed the Delaware on a Christmas ambush in a "Durham" boat...not necessarily that something will happen on Christmas, but that this is a signal... "One if by land, and two if by sea...". That references a signal. Revolutionary War-themed stuff keeps coming to my mind. Ellen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 19 hours ago, merjet said: Christianism And Our Democracy A usual sneer piece of 'intellectualism' from the superior left. The articles by many Christian conservatives have impressed me for their greater rationality and conviction in good values than any leftists. If anyone subscribes to "moderation", (Republican) democracy and even "empiricism", they do. That religion, Christianity specifically - notice, they carefully never mention Islamic "Fundamentalism" - has been alienated and under repression by these secularist-nihilists, eventually provoking some resistance from Evangelists, has been too obvious. President Trump understood this and they him. Quite, they have odd beliefs that you can't change, but are nothing as irrational or hate-filled as these leftists' beliefs. And "Fusion of religion and politics by the Right"? What hypocrisy. There is nowhere in the world that Christians have any more appetite for a theocracy, least, the USA, I think. Conversely, the Left, as I always say, don't have division of state and Church, the state IS their Church. In complete "fusion". Their moral custodian or Nanny, which can impose its dogma on the unfaithful and free and self-responsible. I'm afraid to say that as the tide turns in their numerical favor, grabbing more power, I am going to have to get used to hearing smug intellectualists like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 20 hours ago, anthony said: A usual sneer piece of 'intellectualism' from the superior left. .... LOL. A sneering piece of “intellectualism” from a smug pro-Trumper based on pigeonholing, psychologizing, and fabrication. Sullivan said nothing at all about theocracy, yet that’s what you try to cram in his mouth. Sullivan is not a leftist like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, AOC, Nancy Polosi, or Adam Schiff, yet that’s how you pigeonhole him. For example, elsewhere he has been very critical of wokeness that is so popular with leftists. Sullivan said nothing about Islamic “Fundamentalism.” It’s nice that you noticed that while trying to smear him for it. Finally, not surprisingly, you sweep under the rug any fusion of religion and politics from right-wingers who talk with religious fervor as if Trump is a savior. I’m not surprised MSK liked your post. He’s fond of pigeonholing, psychologizing, fabricating, and smears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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