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23 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Then they (Barak, Clinton, Epstein) likely worked together and have a common ultimate master.

Jon,

I don't get the reasoning process. Where's the causality?

Isn't it possible many people are evil, not just one mastermind?

Last century, Socialism and Communism killed hundreds of millions of innocent people without the Jews or Israelis in charge.

In face, I see plenty of that kind of evil working today. It infested the US education system.

Michael

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We know that Clinton went to Epstein’s island dozens of times and we know Epstein made billions blackmailing rich people. He ran a honeypot. But what motivation to bring Clinton to his honeypot dozens of times? It was because Clinton’s presence was a the reason Epstein could hope to hook a, say liberal Silicon Valley billionaire, in the first place. “It won’t be me and you tanning on the beach, you’ll play tennis with Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak.” Then, when the target gets there and Bill is fucking underage girls it becomes convincing that in this club, if they choose to join it, they really will be among the insulated, protected, untouchable, made men.

Many people are evil.

That these men worked together is looking more and more well grounded in facts with every passing day.

That they are part of something larger than just themselves is confirmed daily, Norwegian Royal involvement exposed just this week.

Epstein would get money, sure, but that is not the raison d’etre, power is. Control of people, companies, institutions, nations. Whoever Epstein worked for came to control many, many people in powerful poisitions around the world.

Bill’s membership in this gang preceded his elections. Ehud’s membership preceded his elections. Whoever controlled Epstein is still in control of way too much.

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42 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Many people are evil.

Jon,

I agree with you that it gets worse the more you dig into it.

Here's some excellent dot-connecting by Amazing Polly, including Epstein stuff.

It seems like the same group is present at different recent mass shootings. Helluva coincidence.

btw - Polly follows Q.

Michael

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The Professor that Jesse Watters had on Fox said his polling indicates that about 10% of the US population “thinks Q is a good thing.”  34 million Americans.

He also said that those people are not far right, but a mix of all political persuasions.

Did everyone see 34% black support for Trump? This is unprecedented. This was previously known to be impossible for a Republican, let alone the most racist one ever.

 

Nothing can stop the Justice that is coming.

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8 hours ago, Peter said:

What is Q? Brief synopsis? I haven"t been following. 

Peter,

Q is what the Tea Party tried to be--a spontaneous huge group of people traveling in the same direction--a good direction of freedom and individualism and family values--without a named leader.

This phenomenon scared the holy hell out of the ruling class establishment and the left with the Tea Party, and it scares the holy hell out of them with Q.

 

The Wikipedia Article

If you want to see an explanation and history of Q from the side of those who fear it, look at the Wikipedia article:

QAnon

Just look at how the Wikipedia article opens:

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QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters.

Notice that this article does not say "Q". It just calls everything QAnon. I think this is on purpose to somehow try to diminish the impact of using Q only (which has a cool factor among other subconscious loads).

Also, Q is not a theory. It is an individual or group of individuals (nobody knows who) who publish cryptic short messages and predictions on the Internet. They are often called "Q drops." The idiots who fear Q and wrote (and monitored) that Wikipedia article couldn't even get that part right. They called QAnon itself a conspiracy theory.

If you read this article, notice a few things.

The first is how condescending it is, basically positioning smart people who know better and look down on Q followers as "us" and people who talk about Q and discuss the cryptic messages as conspiracy theorists. From the tone, it means kooky conspiracy theorists and wackos. Definitely not smart or serious people. Definitely not "us."

The second is the nature of the sources. The good guys in the article, (the smart folks) are The Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN and so on. The kooky folks (the conspiracy theory guys) who seemingly aren't worth considering or commenting on include famous people like Lionel, Bill Mitchell, Jack Posobiec and so on. 

The third is that, for an article based on a posture of superiority and looking down on nonsense to dismiss it, the article sure is long. :) 

The fourth is that the article tries to pin Q down to specific structures and beliefs it can then debunk. 

The fifth is kind of funny. In trying to debunk and pooh pooh everything related to Q, the article actually details items that cause a huge amount of cognitive dissonance in our culture.

For one example, the murder of Seth Rich. The article makes it seem like only retards would believe Rich was murdered by the Deep State and those who are entangled with it because Rich turned over damaging info from the DNC computer to Wikileaks after the DNC openly cheated Bernie out of his true standing in the primaries in order to guarantee Hillary Clinton the nomination. However, the result of such intense "pooh pooh" focus on the Seth Rich murder is to keep light on it and keep this speculation alive. Just look at how many people still believe it (as do I). So if you want a list of items where Q has scared the shit out of the ruling class, this article does a decent job of listing those items. The tone is "of course this is all nonsense." But the list is long.

 

Legitimate Q

Jon keeps up with Q a lot more than I do. He generally points people to here and here for Q texts. Those links are pretty much authoritative. They are the ones mostly used by the more serious people into Q.

The problem with ascertaining accuracy is that Q is anonymous. Hell, the identity of the more accepted Q, so to speak, could have changed over time for all anyone knows. And Q's messages are intentionally vague. In the beginning, he (or she or they) started dropping message on a huge Wild West-like Internet forum called 4chan, where anyone can post at any time on anything. (4chan is where many memes come from.) This is not what one could call peer-reviewed. :) But 4chan is where Q initially spread like wildfire.

Also, since people like Lionel and Jack Posobiec and other famous Q supporting folks have visited the White House, since President Trump often says cryptic statements that echo Q, and since Q's predictions--that could only be based on high-level inside information--often come true, the first order of the day for the terrified ruling class elitists was to get a bunch of Internet trolls to call themselves Q. This kind of infiltration is what they did with the Tea Party (in a different manner). The idea is for impostors to claim a central role and pose as legitimate, then start preaching pro-ruling class crap or exaggerating actual beliefs to the extent of ridiculousness. If the impostors do their job well, the movement gets discredited and fades away. This worked with the Tea Party. It hasn't worked so far with Q.

And, of course, when things are cryptic, actual true-believer fringe people always appear who are way over the top. These are the ones William likes to post on OL as Q to try fool people into thinking these guys represent what Q is all about. Now that Jesse Waters is on it, I don't see how this approach can continue, but I have little doubt those wedded to this approach will keep it up. After all, the "muh Russians" hoax was a three year mainstream culture thing and the Deep State insiders in Congress are still trying to resurrect it (including Hillary Clinton herself). Why wouldn't their followers follow suit?

So the best thing to look at if you want to see real Q stuff is to check the links Jon posts.

 

Why Q Spreads

Do you like to do crossword puzzles? Or do you like puzzles where you have to discover words among a lot of random letters? Did you ever have fun with Where's Wally? This is the essence of Q's appeal. He (or she or they) says just enough to get you interested, but not enough to make a clear statement. And, of course, there are statements that nobody has been able to figure out (which, to me, are there to trip people up and make it all even more intriguing, like red herrings in a mystery novel).

In a culture where the fake news media lies constantly and gets busted for it over and over, there is no way it can combat this approach by Q. Even without the media's constant lying, how can it debunk a hint and wage a propaganda campaign against something that could mean anything? It can't pin Q's messages down. Anything big the fake news media does against Q, by asserting this or that is what Q really means, is seen by the public as overkill--except for folks with the elitist ruling class mentality--the Kool-Aid drinkers so to speak, who often think this time the media finally "destroyed" Q's message and so on.

Yet Q won't go away and it grows. Just look at people like Amazing Polly. Watch any of her videos and you start to go, "Woah... I may not fully agree with all this, but WTF?" Like her, there are many, many people on the Internet who constantly speculate about what Q is saying--and they go about digging up stuff to prove it.

On a deeper cultural level, one of the main tropes used in movies these days is a superhero with a fantasy name saving the world, but with a hidden real identity as a person in normal life. Americans can't get enough of this and Q comes off as such a superhero. So by default, people in general like Q and think he (or she or they) is cool.

There's real persuasion genius going on in the Q approach. The reason the ruling class has gotten away with all the crap it has over the decades is because the ruling class owns the media and (more recently) the giant social media corporations. It can make things like ruling class pedophilia, corruption, coup attempts, etc., go away through propaganda campaigns.

But Q's messages are so damn interesting to the public at large as a research game and string of mysteries, especially online research and mysteries, people who have felt powerless up to now join in the fun with gusto. They are a gigantic herd of ferrets. They snoop into everything and speculate about all of it. And they uncover one inconvenient thing after another. For ruling class people with something ugly to hide, it's like a school of piranhas attacking a cow in the river. 

There's a lot of crap Q followers point to and claim as fact, of course, but there's also a lot of true stuff that emerges that would have otherwise stayed buried. This last tends to float to the top in our culture (as verification starts becoming impossible to ignore) and ruling class criminals get real paranoid. I am convinced President Trump has encouraged the use of Q-based material by proper law enforcement agencies and the military--not as fully proven facts, but as situations and places for them to investigate.

The Q phenomenon is a form of crowd-sourcing the start of investigations. This used to be the role of investigative journalists, but their media companies got bought out and the reporters, for the most part, have sold out. Most reporters these days are ruling class hacks and toadies.

 

That's the gist of the Q phenomenon. It's the bombing campaign against globalism before the ground forces come in. Precision is not its nature. Unearthing and exposing hidden stuff is. (Including destroying deadly ordinance when possible)

That's why ruling class elitists, including those idiots who wrote and monitored the Wikipedia article, try to paint Q as a cult with specific weird-sounding jargon and beliefs. Q scares the shit out of them--like bombs are supposed to.

Michael

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Michael wrote: That's why ruling class elitists, including those idiots who wrote and monitored the Wikipedia article, try to paint Q as a cult with specific weird-sounding jargon and beliefs. Q scares the shit out of them--like bombs are supposed to. end quote

Thanks Michael. That was very informative and well said. I agree that it is correct to have backlash against the polarized left wing media but my fear is that “unknown sources” who suggest conspiracies can have a worrisome effect on anyone who does not fact check and use reason. Oddly, since I asked the question of “who Q was” I saw something on the net that referenced Qanon and suggested that just as with radical Muslim terrorist web sites, Q radicalizes The Right with propaganda, unverified sources, and dirty tricks.

Should tricksters and divulgers worry about the unstable people they may influence, to use violence or promote violence? I suppose planting ideas in the minds of the gullible is not Q’s worry but websites that don’t self-censor are not my cup of tea. I suppose it is the same concern that some have about Fox News right wing analyses and selection of stories and the other three main networks left wing analyses and selection of stories.

Of course, everyone has an agenda, but “the news” should be based on facts. As Walter Cronkite used to say, “And that’s the way it is.” I was not totally sure about the extent of his left wing bias until he retired and let loose with both barrels from his bent mind, and another leftie who could fool the gullible was Dan Rather. It might be interesting to see an analysis of the “truthiness” of all news sources. Peter

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Over at his safe space within OL, Billy is lying again, this time saying Q is anti-Semitic.

If moss is up to evil, like all the other agencies everywhere, then the Israeli people are victims of some evil shits who need to be defeated and executed, just like at see eye a and em eye six, all the five eyes, including NZ. None of We the People are responsible for the evil, [they] are.

There is nothing anti-Israeli, let alone anti-Semitic about finding the truth about Epstein, Barak, mos. Just as there is nothing anti-New Zealnd and nothing anti-Australian about the fiveeyes reckoning that is coming.

Nice try, Billy. Cheap and moronic as usual

You lie about Q being right wing, Billy, now you lie about this, you lie about everything.

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Trump and Q are allied. Each has demonstrated their alignment with the other dozens of times.

Start looking at the links below every day and you will see more demonstrations, live.

The Medic will show you and explain and you can use your own reason and find out yourself. He will simply show you Trump tweets and Q posts and your reason will lead you to the conclusion that Trump and Q are on a team.

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of small Trump references to Q. Even Melania’s Christmas videos contain Q references. Melania could be Q. Is there any such thing as a domino with value 17? The dominos I know go to 12, six little dots on each side, that’s the highest value domino. For years, the Q mileu has substituted “17” for Q, as it is the 17th letter in the alphabet. It does not matter what I think of numerology — For years the Q world has used and noticed others using “17” for “Q.” Melania put a domino with value of 17 in her tree. Think what you will of this, but know that this hasn’t happened a few times or a dozen times, these “small Q references” have occurred many hundreds of times. All the past ones are well documented below, dig in for those or just start watching for future ones. Trump signals his alignment with Q routinely.

https://qmap.pub

https://mobile.twitter.com/prayingmedic

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On 12/8/2019 at 6:17 AM, Jon Letendre said:

.

He also said that those people are not far right, but a mix of all political persuasions.

Did everyone see 34% black support for Trump? This is unprecedented. This was previously known to be impossible for a Republican, let alone the most racist one ever.

 

Nothing can stop the Justice that is coming.

Hi Jon, would you give a link to the black support figure? I was asked for it on another forum. ;)

Thx.

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2 hours ago, anthony said:

Hi Jon, would you give a link to the black support figure? I was asked for it on another forum. 😉

Thx.

Tell them they will have success searching:

Trump black support

 

Search:

Trump black support 36

to see studies yielding 36% support.

 

These figures were previously understood to be impossible by all sane people.

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On 12/8/2019 at 12:26 PM, Jon Letendre said:

Trump and Q are allied. Each has demonstrated their alignment with the other dozens of times.

Start looking at the links below every day and you will see more demonstrations, live.

The Medic will show you and explain and you can use your own reason and find out yourself. He will simply show you Trump tweets and Q posts and your reason will lead you to the conclusion that Trump and Q are on a team.

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of small Trump references to Q. Even Melania’s Christmas videos contain Q references. Melania could be Q. Is there any such thing as a domino with value 17? The dominos I know go to 12, six little dots on each side, that’s the highest value domino. For years, the Q mileu has substituted “17” for Q, as it is the 17th letter in the alphabet. It does not matter what I think of numerology — For years the Q world has used and noticed others using “17” for “Q.” Melania put a domino with value of 17 in her tree. Think what you will of this, but know that this hasn’t happened a few times or a dozen times, these “small Q references” have occurred many hundreds of times. All the past ones are well documented below, dig in for those or just start watching for future ones. Trump signals his alignment with Q routinely.

https://qmap.pub

https://mobile.twitter.com/prayingmedic

Demonstrations today by the Medic.

Are you watching?

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3 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

Hey! I was a medic! I used to pray for napalm!

--Brant

all I got was Puff the Magic Dragon --and HE (and nap)

Were you serving in Honolee? 

edit. They have video of the AC 47 being used in Vietnam. I didn't watch. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" is even worse. Though I did watch some old WWII footage of flamethrowers being used. gross.

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10 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

Hey! I was a medic! I used to pray for napalm!

--Brant

all I got was Puff the Magic Dragon --and HE (and nap)

Brant,

The best novel about Vietnam I ever read was one I just read.

Up Country
by Nelson DeMille

As a thriller, it's a bit of a slog because DeMille stops and looks and remembers too much in between chases and other danger. But for those who were there, I bet this is quite a ride. I wasn't there. Still, I forced myself to slow down and look along with this bittersweet story (and I'm glad I did). 

Your Puff the Magic Dragon as all you got quip put a bow tie on it.

:)

Michael

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