caroljane Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: You say I sound like someone else. Is that a denial that what Carol said is vicious or un-Objectivist or vile? You said you are not brainless, so show me. Is that what saying I sound like someone else means? You haven’t said anything yet about Carol’s remarks about Candace Owens not really being black. What? I just noticed this comment - where did I make my racist comments, I cant find them. Or the vicious ones either or the vile ones. Un Objectivist of course, I never claimed to be an Objectivist in the first place. Neither have you, that I know of, but if you are they are welcome to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: Is Ed ok, by the way? I never see him there, haven’t in years. I miss him greatly, have not seen him in a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, caroljane said: What? I just noticed this comment - where did I make my racist comments, I cant find them. Call the gas company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 As for points? Carol has almost double your count. Does that hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Why do you refuse to judge her statements? Rand said judge and be prepared to be judged. But after Carol made her vile statement, you judged me, for pointing out and judging... a vile statement. Is that because you support her statement? You still have said nothing about her statement about Candace Owens. You talk of bunkers, a New Zealander, your wealth, my lack of any meaty contribution to discussions. You sure were eager to judge the person who judged a vile thing. Is that how Objectivist Ethics works, in your understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Personally I like many things about Candace Owens. Some things not so much, but I think she does more good than harm. She does more for empowering black people and was right for being critical of the “black lives matter movement”. She is also in my opinion correct in her opinion about the feminist movement doing more harm than good in empowering women. As the saying goes amongst objectivist circles though, any time you have “rights” groups they almost always cloud over the real persecuted minority. The individual. Carol’s comments are not vile, they are just an opinion. You just can’t help and put on the collectivist/racist whatever ist upon her or Bill or now myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: Why do you refuse to judge her statements? Rand said judge and be prepared to be judged. But after she made her vile statement, you judged me, for pointing out and judging... a vile statement. Is that because you support her statement? You still have said nothing about her statement about Candace Owens. You talk of bunkers, a New Zealander, your wealth, my lack of any meaty contribution to discussions. You sure were eager to judge the person who judged a vile thing. Is that how Objectivist Ethics works, in your understanding? lol Rand lied quite a lot, it was part of her uniqueness. She refused to be judged by anyone but herself which was part of her humanness, because ultimately we all do that. Her philosophy was all about how we should judge ourselves, and inadverdently, she taught how to rationalize our judgments. She was a genius and still endlessly interesting to ponder, if you are into pondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: As for points? Carol has almost double your count. Does that hurt? I mentioned points because you claimed I make no substantive contributions. My response was that the site owner disagrees and has made plain, by liking my contributions, that I make a greater contribution than you. I’m done with that subjectvthat you brought up. No, it doesn’t hurt. I don’t care. You do, so you imagine I do too. Now, expert-level evader, what is your assessment of Carol’s comments about Candace Owens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ok, thanks. Those comments are not problematic in any way, they are “just an opinion.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: Personally I like many things about Candace Owens. Some things not so much, but I think she does more good than harm. She does more for empowering black people and was right for being critical of the “black lives matter movement”. She is also in my opinion correct in her opinion about the feminist movement doing more harm than good in empowering women. As the saying goes amongst objectivist circles though, any time you have “rights” groups they almost always cloud over the real persecuted minority. The individual. Carol’s comments are not vile, they are just an opinion. You just can’t help and put on the collectivist/racist whatever ist upon her or Bill or now myself. Nothing racist or collectivist saying Candace is not really black because Trumpers like her.. Just me putting arbitrary labels on people. All me. Ok. Thanks, Jules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I didn’t even notice there was a points system until you brought it up today actually. There never used to be, when did that happen? Sniffles...Michael, Jon has more points than meeeee. Tito get me a tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, caroljane said: Holey moley, who woulda thunk? Hey remember who liked you when they thought you were poor! Still poor but proud, C. Haha of course! Well I’m not “rich” I still have to go to work every day. I may retire in 10-12 years though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 23 hours ago, caroljane said: I disagree that Candace Owens and Ann Coulter are minorities, as they are both in high esteem with the reigning government pundits , I am a bigot against them, as I disagree with their political views, and have found their wrtten words to be untrustworthy, and will not trust their words until I find them truthful again. I think you need some work on your punctuation as you are running your ideas into each other, or not when maybe they should. Would you be a "bigot against them" if you merely disagreed with their political views or do those untrustworthy words--whatever they are--also need to come into play? I'm having a hard time getting your "racism" that Joe is on about. In the quote it's too weak. Please restate it in stronger, more lucid and prideful terminology. Intellectually socialism is nothing anymore. Socialism is just the frosting on fascism which is the core of all anti-freedom ideologies including Nazism, communism and the classical fascism of Benito M.'s time. If you're into socialism, like many millions are--especially Europeans--you're into the frosting. That is, your head's in the frosting (intellectual) and the rest of you (body or cultural) is down below. I know, I know--it tastes good, but I'm not eating it. --Brant sorry to be the beater of bad news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 A rather resent paying 60-80k/year for the privilege of feeding 5 welfare deadbeats who only vote for those that will steal more from me to give to them... But I’m a collectivist according to Jon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: A rather resent paying 60-80k/year for the privilege of feeding 5 welfare deadbeats who only vote for those that will steal more from me to give to them... But I’m a collectivist according to Jon.. You are profoundly dumb, weak and flimsy, but I don’t recall you endorsing collectivism and I don’t recall saying you do, You’re an apologist for collectivists, maybe I lumped you in that way. Candace would spit in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: You are a profoundly dumb, weak and flimsy, but I don’t recall you endorsing collectivism and I don’t recall saying you do, You’re an apologist for collectivists, maybe I lumped you in that way. Candace would spit in your face. Pot meet kettle.. PS: I’m sure Candace has more important people to spit on than lil ole me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Jon Letendre said: She’s pouring on thThanks fore praise and affect, she’s poor yet isn’t insulted by your Francisco line - Jules, you could get a date! Soulmates. Thanks for trying to help matchmake (you can't hide your soft heart, ya big lug !) but alas in vain, Naturally as soon as I found out Jules was rich I immediately proposed marriage, but I was refused in a very gentlemanly fashion on religious grounds (his brand of Objectivism prohibits him marrying anyone over 90 years his senior-- ) I am crushed, but since I have been rejected by nearly every apparently sane man on this site who seems to make a decent living, I will probably survive this latest blow from cruel fate. I only came on OL in the first place to find a rich guy, along with my bffs Xray and Deanna, and then got sucked into this politico-philosophical stuff. Now I am hooked, and it certainly is not my fault! At least what's-his-name was nice enough to say we can still be friends, Platonic friends, I mean Aristotelian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: Pot meet kettle.. I pay taxes! I can’t be a collectivist since I resent paying taxes! What the fuck is that, Jules? If you don’t want to be called dumb, stop broadcasting how fucking dumb you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: I pay taxes! I can’t be a collectivist since I resent paying taxes! What the fuck is that, Jules? If you don’t want to be called dumb, stop broadcasting how fucking dumb you are. So now I’m supposed to write an entire essay on collectivism and unfair taxation to prove I’m not dumb..right. Bottom line though and my whole point is you are a fucking prick. But I don’t have to point that out as it is pretty obvious. Pfft I probably pay more in taxes in a year than you make little man. And yes you lumped me that way..that’s what stupid people do, lump people into a nice little catagory in order to dismiss them and make themselves feel good about their shitty little conspiracy theory lives. Oh yes and accuse them of having character flaws/lack of one/brainless thug etc. What do you do for a living suck BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: A rather resent paying 60-80k/year for the privilege of feeding 5 welfare deadbeats who only vote for those that will steal more from me to give to them... ...such as Carol. Who can make any vile statement and you will dutifully call it “just an opinion.” Who did you choose to resent, to attack, to send to his bunker when he had the temerity to judge her vile statement? Weak. Dumb. That’s being nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: So now I’m supposed to write an entire essay on collectivism and unfair taxation to prove I’m not dumb..right. Bottom line though and my whole point is you are a fucking prick. But I don’t have to point that out as it is pretty obvious. Pfft I probably pay more in taxes in a year than you make little man. And yes you lumped me that way..that’s what stupid people do, lump people into a nice little catagory in order to dismiss them and make themselves feel good about their shitty little conspiracy theory lives. Oh yes and accuse them of having character flaws/lack of one/brainless thug etc. What do you do for a living suck BBC? So brainy. So much projection. Now I know where you got your “seed money.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Still didn’t answer the question of what you do for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 You read People Magazine, don’t you? (When you’re not “securing seed money.”) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: You read People Magazine don’t you? No, I read ASME BPVC code books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ok, but you’re interest in personalities over substance, your obsession with settling a moral issue by comparing balance sheets and income, your interest in what I do for a living, it all makes you sound like an avid People Magazine reader. Shallow, stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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