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Interesting story.

Communist China, at least some of the time, understands property rights better than Trump does.

Interesting. "It is illegal here to demolish property without an agreement" Perhaps "A man's home is his castle" means something in China, maybe that's where the saying came from. Trump should be embarrassed to see this, has any interviewer asked him about his stand on eminent domain?

Folks, we do not have to go all the way to China to see the same process right here in America, pre Donald Trump.

Robert Moses, The Power Broker used pure force to build his "projects."

The construction companies took care of the rest.

As the LIE [Long Island Expressway] was crushing everything in it's path as it was going East.

As a eight year old (?) we were involved with helping a woman who refused to sell right across the right of way to where I was growing up.

We stood guard with our cap guns when she went to the store. Her electricity got cut off. Looking back something just clicked in my memory.

Where we lived used to be called Kerosine Heights because it was the last place to get electricity and folks that lived South towards Jamaica Bay, would see the lanterns flickering on the heights.

This little old lady just shifted to kerosine lanterns whenever her electricity mysteriously got shut off.

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Here's an article on Trump's thing with eminent domain:

Vera Coking

Vera Coking is a retired homeowner in Atlantic City, New Jersey whose home was the focus of a prominent eminent domain case involving Donald Trump.

In 1961, Vera and her husband bought the property at 127 South Columbia Place as a summertime retreat for $20,000. In 1993, when Donald Trump sought to expand his property holdings around his Atlantic City casino and hotel (to build a parking lot designed for limousines), he bought several lots adjacent to his property. Coking, who had lived in her house at that time for about 35 years, refused to sell. This was not the first time Coking had been asked to sell her property for development. When Coking refused to sell to Trump, the city of Atlantic City condemned her house, using the power of eminent domain. Her designated compensation was to be $251,000, about one quarter of what it had been valued 10 years earlier.

With the assistance of the Institute for Justice, Coking fought the local authorities, and eventually prevailed. Superior Court Judge Richard Williams ruled that, because there were "no limits" on what Trump could do with the property, the plan to take Coking's property did not meet the test of law.

. . .

Coking moved out in 2010 and to a retirement home in the San Francisco Bay Area near her grandson, Ed Casey. Since then Casey has tried to sell the house; putting it on the market in 2011 with an asking price of $5 million.[1][7] As of September 2013 the price was reduced to $995,000.00 [8] The property did not sell as Atlantic City continued to suffer the lingering effects of the financial crisis of 2007–08 and over-building during the boom that preceded it.

Coking's property was sold for $530,000 in an auction on July 31, 2014. The reserve price was $199,000, a tenth of the offer Trump had made for the property eight years earlier. Neither the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority nor the owners of Trump Plaza expressed any interest in the auction.

I don't know if he was ever involved in any further cases involving eminent domain. On a quick scan, I couldn't find anything else.

Atlantic city casinos are in a mess right now. I wonder what caused them to tank...

Michael

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Michael, cheap airfares to an elaborated Vegas with its shows and numerous Indian casinos, especially in the NE. I flew my flying club airplane into AC in 1979 to see what the fuss was about. Only one or two casinos were going. I went to Resorts International. Not too shabby--inside. AC was a shabby place generally, however. I also think the Mafia got involved but have no details, references or way to confirm off the top of my head. AC was mostly about its boardwalk. The Dems' convention in 1964 was right next to it. (The Reps' was in San Fran.) In the late 1930s my war-hero to be uncle played the part of a mechanical man on it. Make him smile and get a free something. Ed McMann (sp?), Carson's sidekick, got started selling cheap somethings on it and found out he was a great salesman.

--Brant

Trump is something of an SOB--see eminent domain--but being an SOB is a requirement of the job he's after and he seems pretty much above board about it

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His basic body language is phenomenal, particularly that dismissive hand wave...

I have seen ethnic folks including my people the Italians use that same move.

It is hard wired into the human barter negotiation kinesics...

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Now for a little daydreaming about William and Marc...

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:smile:

Michael

Hahahhaa !!!!! OMG , love it !!!!!!!

Just want to state that I am not interested in commenting on Trump as a President , or as the nominee . Not commenting on his strategy , pro or con . I am simply stating that in my opinion , he has zero chance for either

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Here is an excellent analysis by Rachel Maddow on why Ross Perot did not spoil the election for Bush Senior.

 

I was not in the USA at the time, so I missed the whole soap opera. So maybe some people can poke holes in her facts, but they sound sound to me.

 

Basically, she points out that in exit polling, those who voted for Perot were split on whether they would have voted for Bush or Clinton if they had not voted for Perot. It was an exact even split. Also, during the three months between when Perot bowed out of the race and he got back in, Bush did not rise in the polls. Instead, Clinton did. Her view is that, if anybody, Perot's entry in the race hurt Clinton.

 

So there's no way Perot killed the Bush reelection. Bush tanked from poor approval ratings pure and simple.

 

I don't know the sources of stats she used, but that argument sounds correct to me on first blush.

 

Maddow concludes that there is no way to tell what would happen if Trump ran as a third party candidate, that is, who would benefit and who would be damaged. I think she's right. And I think Ann Coulter is right in her comment the other day that the best way to ensure a Hillary presidency is to let her run against Bush or Rubio.

 

Please remember, I'm not a big fan of Maddow. Even in this report, there's way too much Clinton-luv coloring her exposition. But she tends to get her facts right. Even Roger Ailes complimented her to her face a year or so ago by saying she was very good (but then he quipped he would keep that opinion private so as to not get her in trouble :smile: ).

 

All in all, if anyone doesn't like this video simply because it's Rachel, I hear you. That's my gut reaction, too.

 

 

Maddow's parting shot is something Republicans, including people in O-Land. should take to heart. They should stop worrying about a false narrative that a third-party Trump would spoil the election for Republicans just like Perot did, and start worrying about what to do if Trump gets the Republican nomination.

 

I know what I'm going to do if that happens. It has something to do with crow and dear friends. 

 

:smile:

 

Michael

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Correct, this is the 20% Perot Box that the focus group dude was trying to stuff Trump in.
 

 

I was deep in the Perot campaign and they made a critical cookie cutter staff vertical structure which did not work in downstate NY and particularly Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.

 

He blew it.

 

His VP was pretty much a dysfunctional man who had an excellent military career.

 

However, it was clear that he was suffering from what would now be termed "dementia," or, Alzheimer's disease.

 

Admiral Stockdale.

 

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Here is Stockdale's wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale

Stockdale was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison (popularly known as the Hanoi Hilton) for the next seven and a half years. As the senior Naval officer, he was one of the primary organizers of prisoner resistance. Tortured routinely and denied medical attention for the severely damaged leg he suffered during capture, Stockdale created and enforced a code of conduct for all prisoners which governed torture, secret communications, and behavior. In the summer of 1969, he was locked in leg irons in a bath stall and routinely tortured and beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. When Stockdale was discovered with information that could implicate his friends' "black activities", he slit his wrists so they could not torture him into confession.[citation needed]

Early in Stockdale's captivity, his wife, Sybil Stockdale, organized The League of American Families of POWs and MIAs, with other wives of servicemen who were in similar circumstances. By 1968, she and her organization, which called for the President and the U.S. Congress to publicly acknowledge the mistreatment of the POWs (something that had never been done despite evidence of gross mistreatment), gained the attention of the American press. Sybil Stockdale personally made these demands known at the Paris Peace Talks.[citation needed]

Stockdale was one of eleven prisoners known as the "Alcatraz Gang": George Thomas Coker; George McKnight; Jeremiah Denton; Harry Jenkins; Sam Johnson; James Mulligan; Howard Rutledge; Robert Shumaker; Ronald Storz; and Nels Tanner. These individuals had been leaders of resistance activities while in captivity and thus were separated from other captives and placed in solitary confinement. "Alcatraz" was a special facility in a courtyard behind the North Vietnamese Ministry of National Defense, located about one mile away from Hoa Lo Prison. In Alcatraz, each of the prisoners was kept in an individual windowless and concrete cell measuring 3 by 9 feet (0.91 by 2.74 m) with a light bulb kept on around the clock, and they were locked in leg irons each night.[6][7][8][9][10] Of the eleven, Storz died in captivity there in 1970.

I found it interesting that there is a name not on that list.

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Michael, while I do not trust polls what really killed Bush was the "Read my lips--no new taxes"--fiasco. I lost all respect for him then, and so did many others who might have otherwise voted for him or campaigned in sundry ways for him. He went from a man of Reaganesque principle to a twit.

Adam, McCain was in such bad shape to begin with there was no chance of him joining that group. Regardless, Stockdale got the CMH, not McCain. That's tobacco Trump can't put in his pipe and smoke the way he did with McCain. The idea you can't be a war hero as a POW is ludicrous, ignorant garbage. So McCain got a Silver Star. If it was for his POW conduct it was for heroism as a POW. (I haven't seen or read the citation, but it should be online as is my uncle's.)

--Brant

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Michael, while I do not trust polls what really killed Bush was the "Read my lips--no new taxes"--fiasco. I lost all respect for him then, and so did many others who might have otherwise voted for him or campaigned in sundry ways for him. He went from a man of Reaganesque principle to a twit.

Adam, McCain was in such bad shape to begin with there was no chance of him joining that group. Regardless, Stockdale got the CMH, not McCain. That's tobacco Trump can't put in his pipe and smoke the way he did with McCain. The idea you can't be a war hero as a POW is ludicrous, ignorant garbage. So McCain got a Silver Star. If it was for his POW conduct it was for heroism as a POW. (I haven't seen or read the citation, but it should be online as is my uncle's.)

--Brant

Whoa...Brant...

I am not knocking McCain, nor Stockdale.

Trump is going to say shit like that because he is not programmed. He was just punching back at McCain for the crazy comment. I also think they may have run into each other before on some kind of business deal in Arizona.

Reagan did it, Kennedy did it. Truman also.

So let's not get distracted by the side show.

As to Bush's "Read my lips..." lost me immediately.

Never trusted him again.

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Visually Perot just never worked.

 

Ah them was de good ol' days of $4,000,000,000,000.00 debt.

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Randian comment about Trump:

Donald Trump does not believe in sanction of the victim.

:smile:

Michael

Neither do you or I.

That was possibly in the top three impacts that her philosophy made on my life.

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Maddow's parting shot is something Republicans, including people in O-Land. should take to heart. They should stop worrying about a false narrative that a third-party Trump would spoil the election for Republicans just like Perot did, and start worrying about what to do if Trump gets the Republican nomination.

MONDAY, APR 4, 2011 03:24 PM PDT

The myths that just won’t die

Repeat after me: Ross Perot didn't cost George H.W. Bush the election

STEVE KORNACKI

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Then there's this:

Donald Trump Surges to Commanding Lead in Post-McCain Backlash Poll
by John Nolte
24 Jul 2015
Breitbart

From the article (my bold):

While his favorability rating took a hit, a new poll shows that Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s comments about Senator Sen. John McCain’s war record are not the silver bullet many in the GOP and media hoped. A YouGov poll taken after Trump’s ill-considered remarks show his support among Republican voters has surged by double digits and well-ahead of Scott Walker and Jeb Bush, his two closest competitors.

. . .

The latest poll was taken between the 18th and 20th. Two of those days occurred after Trump’s McCain comments. Regardless, Trump not only held on to first place, he surged to 28% support. Bush came in second with just 14%. Walker came in third with 13%.

Trump is not only in first place, he earns twice the support of second place.

. . .

Trump’s comments do appear to have damaged his favorability ratings with Republican voters, which dipped from 64% to 53%. His unfavorable rating climbed from 27% to 42%.

. . .

Among those veterans currently serving, Trump’s favorability rating beats McCain by 12 full points, 53% to 41%.

The GOP and the media have done everything in their power to destroy Trump. He’s not only gotten strong, but he is becoming a much better candidate.

. . .

Only a snob would underestimate such a man. And now those snobs have cream pie all over their smug faces.


I like this Nolte dude's spunk.

:smile:

Michael

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Dennis Rodman will deliver the Korean vote.

And by the way an excellent ballplayer.

220px-Rodman_Lipofsky.jpg<<<<five NBA championships.

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Colorful. I like the comment:

"That locks it... Rodman for Ambassador to North Korea."

Strangely enough, this movie "happened" to be on last night. I watched about 45 minutes of it and it was quite interesting.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4598848/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

It was unique in the footage and discussion by the NBA players and the media.

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Well, since he's smart, what is it he's really after?

--Brant

Not really sure but my guess is that he got stepped on too hard by someone in the party and he decided to show them what he is capable of , and he sure is doing just that right now . Maybe he just wants to be the King maker . or to establish a 3rd party . He is a deal maker - plain and simple so the real question is is has he mad a deal already or will he be making a deal .

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