Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 William, Do you have a reputable link for the source of that image you allege to be Melania? I exhausted my image search capabilities (which are pretty good) and I cannot find a single site that is credible that runs it. The only one that seemed reputable redirected to a CPA offer, so that was obviously a fake thing by spammers. I'm not saying this doesn't exist, although it does look Photoshopped to me. I am saying I can't find anyplace serious to peg it to. And if no serious place can be found, I would hate for some Trump hater to start pegging it to OL as if OL is validation that it is authentic. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 On 3/3/2016 at 4:59 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Romney's speech is a gift that keeps on giving entertainment-wise. Michael Just received this one this morning... https://youtu.be/C2KXtNrIDDI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Adam, That's cute. Here are a couple of very interesting things I have been hearing from the African American side. The first is that support for Trump is growing among African Americans. And it's going to surprise everyone how big it is growing. I've heard Tavis Smiley say this and I've heard Van Jones say it. Both of those guys hate Trump. I've even heard others say it, but I can't remember where. The second is probably one of the main reasons Trump's support is growing among African Americans. I forgot where I saw it, but there is a video out there of Diamond and Silk talking about Black Lives Matter protests during Trump rallies. (The video is not on their YouTube channel because they used some pretty salty language.) They blasted the hell out of the Black Lives Matter folks, calling them fools and God knows what else. They said any one of those ignorant folks are going to be lucky to get a job bagging groceries as they get older. Probably get their asses shot off in a gang because they don't know how to do anything else. So those in a Black Lives Matter protest at a rally get their 30 seconds on camera when they're still living with their momma, but like goddam fools, they don't know that goes nowhere fast. Then they hit it with the killer point. They said they already have a place at the table. While those Black Lives Matter fools were out there showing their asses, they (the lovely ladies) got themselves a seat at the table. While the Black Lives Matter fools try to get 30 seconds on TV during a rally, they (the lovely ladies) got themselves a place on stage talking for as long as they want. So who is going to be in what power to make what change for the black community after the election? Black Lives Matter? No way, baby. It's going to be the ones sitting at the table, not the fools out there showing their asses to the camera. I wager this sentiment is having more of an impact in the black community than almost anything else. The power folks in the black movement sure are paying attention. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Michael: Yes, you are on the right track with that and I am getting the same responses. I would like to see where former Congressman West in Florida and the Ohio Sheriff Clark stand on Trump. Additionally, we have Herman Cain who seems on the verge of endorsing Trump. The key is to continue getting the black evangelical Pastors to open up their flocks to consider breaking the chains that the Democratic Party has had around their necks since the 1960's. I heard one Hillary big Hillary politician compare Trump to George Wallace and the freaking reporter did not even ask the obvious follow up and say in a full disclosure statement to the audience that he was the Democratic Governor of Alabama for God's sake. A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: The first is that support for Trump is growing among African Americans. And it's going to surprise everyone how big it is growing. I've heard Tavis Smiley say this and I've heard Van Jones say it. Both of those guys hate Trump. I've even heard others say it, but I can't remember where. We can look at the states he has run in where there is a large-ish cohort of African Americans. For example, South Carolina. The estimated number of voting age AAs in South Carolina is ... 28 percent of 4.8 million, roughly 1.35 million. How many votes did Donald Trump gain in South Carolina? 239,851. All told, the five candidates on the ballot at the time amassed 737,917 votes, a huge number of likely November voters. That number of voters was, as far as I can find out, 96% white, and only 1% hispanic and black each, and no exit poll was able to show a percentage of the black GOP vote in SC -- at least any that I have seen (I should probably check the local media in SC). But let's' give Mr Trump the benefit of the doubt for black support. Let's say he got 75% of the GOP's 7.379 black votes. Bottom line: Trump may have won as much as 5,534 black votes. How to make a useful comparison? Maybe to the Democrat side. They had a shitty turnout at 367,491. Of that turnout, apparently 61% were black voters, or 224.170. Of those blacks voting in the Democrat primary, 14% were said to go to Sanders: 31,384. -- I should also check exit polling and the Black Vote for Trump in Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama and Virginia. 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: They said they already have a place at the table. While those Black Lives Matter fools were out there showing their asses, they (the lovely ladies) got themselves a seat at the table. While the Black Lives Matter fools try to get 30 seconds on TV during a rally, they (the lovely ladies) got themselves a place on stage talking for as long as they want. Who doesn't love Silver and Gold Diamond and Silk? I think they did a great job with Ditch and Switch. It did not amount to shoefly pie in South Carolina, but hey. 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I wager this sentiment is having more of an impact in the black community than almost anything else. The power folks in the black movement sure are paying attention. Who do you consider front-rank "power folks" in the 'black movement'? Melania for Air Force One! The nuclear codes are in the briefcase, but first you have to 'act presidential' ... Edited March 7, 2016 by william.scherk Added spoiler for Melania Air Force One fantasy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: William, Do you have a reputable link for the source of that image you allege to be Melania? No, I forgot where I lifted it from. I love the metal breastplates with fur inside. The stylist for that shoot is pretty inventive. I have a few Melania pix in this online gallery. I will check around to see where the Snopes-ing may have been done on these glamour shots. She is so beautiful, and she sure knows how to fill out a dress. I am sure she would have impeccable taste in everything, having been a Trump for a while. I will poke more info in here if I find something for you, MIchael. If you want to keep searching yourself, I would go with a 'Melania Trump nude" kind of thing in the text side of Google. I am pretty sure I came across the Melania glamour shots inside a Google Image search off key-words, though. [-- added: MSK, if you try Tineye reverse-image search, you come up with this. According to her Wikipedia page, she has been in or on GQ, FHM and other quality men's magazines. Elle and Glamour, even. Trump has beautiful taste in women. On Ebay for only $26.82 ] Edited March 7, 2016 by william.scherk Added info on cover model ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: Who do you consider front-rank "power folks" in the 'black movement'? William, I thought I mentioned two: Tavis Smiley and Van Jones. They spoke of this separately, Tavis in an article (3 days ago) and Van Jones on CNN (I don't have a link, but it was in a panel discussion--and it's not his KKK meltdown). (LATER EDIT - I think the Van Jones comment was here, although I did not rewatch to video to make sure. I'm pretty sure, though.) You can rest assured men like this don't speak in public like that in isolation. I would have to dig to find more names. Especially among evangelical blacks, who have much larger influence than the press reports. Don't forget that they are part of the black movement, too. Last I heard, even Martin Luther King was a preacher. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Farrakhan: Quote Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has praised Donald Trump for refusing to take donations from Jews in his race for the White House. http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/334609/louis-farrakhan-praises-donald-trump-for-shunning-jewish-money/#ixzz42BGoKR4T A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 LOL... That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. By not taking money from anyone, though, he also didn't take Moslem money. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: [-- added: MSK, if you try Tineye reverse-image search, you come up with this. According to her Wikipedia page, she has been in or on GQ, FHM and other quality men's magazines. Elle and Glamour, even. Trump has beautiful taste in women. William, (sigh...) Of course I did a Tineye search. I also opened another browser window and scooted the image over to a Google image search. And I did a few other tricks I know (for example, I searched for Melania Knauss hot, Melanija Knavs, Melanija Knavs naked, etc.). Out of everything I did, I only came up with oddball sites or porn sites for that image. There are risque photos of Melania out there from credible sites like GQ because she actually did nude and seminude modeling when she started. But that particular photo you chose is not among them--at least I couldn't find it. I only found it at strange places and that leads me to believe it was Photoshopped and put up to degrade her or mock her or something. What's more, I believe it was done by an amateur. One of the tells is that it is tacky as all get out. Melania has much better taste in the other photos (OK, there are a couple of exceptions, but nothing as bad as that photo). I would be surprised if she allowed such a poorly staged, poorly shot and poorly posed photo to be published. Even back then. Hell, I don't even think the lady and the airplane are part of the same shoot. And I'm not sure that is Melania's face, or, if it is, that the body and head belong to the same person. And since you mentioned short fingers, I'm not sure that hand belongs to the woman. btw - Look at the root URLS for the sites on your Tineye search, all 3 of them: http://www.netglimse.com/ - This goes to an error page and even the image link doesn't work anymore. http://therionorteline.com/ - This goes to a blog oddly enough named "The Rio Norte Line" after the same in Atlas Shrugged. The guy says it is a metaphor for present day America. (The image address there shows it is hosed on the Wordpress blog site.) Dayaamm! Ya' get the weirdest things doing these searches. http://forum.burek.com/ - This is a Croatian site featuring RSS feeds. So I repeat my question. Do you have a credible link for that image? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Even though I bash Glenn Beck right now for being a hate-filled prophet wannabe [...] You People are Beck Haters. 7 hours ago, turkeyfoot said: [Trump] is emotionally driven in no small measure. It is not a bug, it is a feature: you always know what Trump is thinking, if he is talking. He never stops talking and never stops trying to command every room he is in. Why not? This is America, where you can dream big. Seriously, I get more and more of the phenomenon by diligently listening to his rally appeals, He is talking on his feet sometimes for upwards of 45 minutes, with nary a note. In these rallies, he lets the crowd know exactly what is on his mind. If he is emotional, I haven't seen the full range (see Plutchik's wheel). If he is emotionally-driven, this is what you might call Will in the service of Fundaments. There is a fundament to Trump. There is nothing secret. Listen to these excerpts from his rally on the day of Romney's speech in Utah ... Quote I believe hes taking testosterone or something that keeps it up for him. ) He dove in it appears because he senses it slipping away. Thats why he sneers and pouts and twists and talks trash, evades and avoids. And why I have no doubt I couldnt spend time with him and come away enlightened. I would ask him about the grandest schemes, and how he sees the future of Trump International. I was downtown and had a gander at Trump Tower. It is one of three tallest in town, and quite impressive. Here some locals took to the tower. Very entertaining. Quote From the art of the deal http://tinyurl.com/jqm4rwb “You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.” Catch the wave. Feel the feeling. Quote With the number 1 problem for politicians being delivering on their promises, lets not mistake will for decisions turning into solutions. It is a gripping, gripping ride for most of the OL Front porch. We brim with solutions. But who is listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 39 minutes ago, william.scherk said: Catch the wave. Feel the feeling. It is a gripping, gripping ride for most of the OL Front porch. We brim with solutions. But who is listening? Canadians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 For those who like this sort of thing, very very very very very very very very very interesting. Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, using his knowledge of hypnosis and persuasion to show what Trump is doing. Scott predicts Trump will win the general election in a landslide and I don't think he supports Trump. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I keep hearing people explain Trump supporters and keep getting it all wrong, so I usually dismiss them or have a little fun. Finally I saw a video where I actually learned something. It features Dr. Keith Ablow: One of the things that has most puzzled me is the level of vitriol against Trump and Trump supporters. Dr. Ablow says Trump tells the truth in simple language, truths others are not saying. The first one who tells such a truth within a culture always provokes some people to absolute hatred and wish to stop him at all costs. (Let me add, after time, the truth becomes accepted, but the guy who first tells it to a lot of people it is in for one hell of a ride.) And Dr. Ablow said this is how it has been throughout all human history. That rings true to me. With one other thing. There is the laughing stage first. People always laugh at the truth before they hate it. And that certainly happened to Trump. He's in the hate stage now (not him hating anything--I refer to others hating him). Later, people will accept his ideas as conventional wisdom. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 4 hours ago, william.scherk said: She is so beautiful, and she sure knows how to fill out a dress. I am sure she would have impeccable taste in everything, having been a Trump for a while. I will poke more info in here if I find something for you, MIchael. If you want to keep searching yourself, I would go with a 'Melania Trump nude" kind of thing in the text side of Google. I am pretty sure I came across the Melania glamour shots inside a Google Image search off key-words, though.On Ebay for only $26.82 ] I got that image from the Daily Mail. The one MSK may not accept is Melania is this: 4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Tavis Smiley and Van Jones. [...] , Tavis in an article [... ] Van Jones comment was here, [...] I would have to dig to find more names. Especially among evangelical blacks [...] Don't go to any trouble. I have put those other black-cohort states on my task list. It is interesting how wildly polarized the electorate was in South Carolina, despite "Switch" People. I don't know going in what I will find in the other signal states. I was shocked at how close to zero-black the GOP was in the home state of Diamond and Silk. 3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: There are risque photos of Melania out there from credible sites like GQ because she actually did nude and seminude modeling when she started. But that particular photo you chose is not among them--at least I couldn't find it. I only found it at strange places and that leads me to believe it was Photoshopped and put up to degrade her or mock her or something. What's more, I believe it was done by an amateur. One of the tells is that it is tacky as all get out. Melania has much better taste in the other photos (OK, there are a couple of exceptions, but nothing as bad as that photo). I would be surprised if she allowed such a poorly staged, poorly shot and poorly posed photo to be published. Even back then. Hell, I don't even think the lady and the airplane are part of the same shoot. And I'm not sure that is Melania's face, or, if it is, that the body and head belong to the same person. I am sure in my heart that it is Melania on the wing. Why would anyone mock it up? I don't see the point. I believe this is from the same photo spread as the metal and fur brassiere and the Here Are My Boobs cover. In the plane-wing picture, it is her distinctive under-the-pectoral high-sitting breast implant I see, and her very fine behind and her beautiful face and lips. She is like a Bond lady, very cool. I will put that photo in the queue for a more rigorous examination, as you may be right. There are a few tools for analyzing images for after-the-fact Photoshopping. Of course, that any of the published images of Melania's 'nude' shoot in GQ were not Photoshopped is doubtful. All cover girls get the treatment,. Quote I repeat my question. Do you have a credible link for that image? No, not if I understand what you want, and no -- at least not until I find and send you a copy of the old issue. And no, but there seems to be no logical reason to antedate the photo before the Trump campaign. As you discovered with Tineye, the first appearance of the photo was way back in But enough of me and you, more of the future First Lady, from the same Daily Mail story: [Added: upon further looking, it seems like at least two pictures of a lady on a Trump jet were published in what looks like a Polish magazine (which might explain subtle jarring effects of the re-touching, such as no front landing gear). They both show distinctive outfit, boots, gun and shades. She is also looking fine in this one, whoever she is ... ] All sums summed, it hardly matters. On the hustings she would be like a Marilyn Monroe, too sexy for normal programming, and not fully bilingual or useful. On the other hand, the Trumps would be up against the Clintons in the abstract made concrete, and who would not want a Melania lighting up the White House Xmas Tree and posing for magnificent spread after magnificent spread in top magazines like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar? If it was just down to Melania as First Lady versus Bill Clinton as First Gentleman, well, cough, I would sleep with her before I would sleep with him, and nothing could get me in bed with Hillary. She probably reads all night in any case. Whereas any of us, straight or gay, can imagine that voice in our ear ... "Darling, please sound presidential," as I have said now only twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 William, In Yahoo!/Style (Fashion), an author named Sam Lane attributes that second plane photo to British GQ (see here), so I am satisfied both are authentic. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 There's a new Facebook fan page that was just started, I believe, by Mike Renzulli: Objectivists for Donald Trump If you do this stuff and you resonate, go like the page. Workin' it. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 7 hours ago, william.scherk said: From the art of the deal http://tinyurl.com/jqm4rwb “You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.” That sounds like an apt description of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. He conned other investors/creditors a little while. "Investors could invest in a Trump-controlled company in the 1990s: Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. Trump was chairman of the board back in the late 1990s, owned 41% of the company in 1999 and drew a $1 million a year salary from the company for years. But investors didn't do so well. Investors who bought the stock when the company went public in 1995 lost 87% of their money by 1999" (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 2 hours ago, merjet said: He conned other investors/creditors a little while. Merlin, From what I read about this, it was kinda a two-way street on overextended credit and a market slump. Or maybe I'm mistaken and Trump sent out an army of sharks from a cold calling center in Utah to get old ladies to cash out their retirement accounts with promises of get rich quick. Do ya' think he did that? Or was it just a bad deal gone bad in a bad market? A con is one thing and it's illegal. Was anything illegal done? A deal that doesn't work out is another. Another thing. Should a man trying to sell something not use marketing? Or should his sales message be, "I'm doing this project that I think is good, but you never know. It might tank." Trump never tried to con anyone. He wanted to make money for himself and his investors. The source of profits he targeted was the market and the product he was selling, not investor money like in a Ponzi. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MereMortal Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Since it hasn't been posted yet, here it is. Rush on Fox Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 That was a truly great speech by Rush Limbaugh. Bravo! Thanks, Michael.The idea of the reshaping of the Republican party was inspiring. I would also agree with Rush when you ask yourself, “Who are the RINO’S that will try to control a brokered convention?” Can anyone name them? Is it Chairman Reeses Pieces? Somebody tell me who to hate. I agree with Rush and it his philosophical take on it will make it easier to support whomever is our nominee. I do not think Trump or Cruz will allow a behind closed door decision. Instead it will be like the Carnival at New Or’lins or Rio. When the two most likely to go to the prom are anti establishment TALKNG guys I can’t see it being anything but an open mike, phone camera, exposed, event. I don’t think Trump or Cruz are radicals who are about to do a sit in at the student union. But they could be the pro capitalist, pro constitution, pro individual rights guys we need. My caution to Trump and Cruz? Don’t screw up the chances of the other guy who is our best hope for a decent future for ourselves, children and grandchildren. I can see Trump picking Cruz for Veep but I don’t see Cruz picking Trump but who knows what the art of the deal will bring? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 17 minutes ago, Peter said: Thanks, Michael. Peter, You're welcome, except that was MereMortal who posted it. To MereMortal, I'm pretty sure Peter will agree that we both thank you. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 btw - Peter touched on a theme that you do not see in the mainstream reports of that Limbaugh interview. Look at the argument Romney & Co. make against Trump--that he is not a real conservative. But what did Rush say? He said the establishment Republicans are not conservatives anymore, that they are embarrassed by conservatism, that their effort is to keep conservatism at bay. That's a huge cognitive dissonance for the mainstream media to miss. The good part for me was that Romney was watching it all from the sidelines and Rush knew that. Chris Wallace even said it. Also, I think Rush gave Trump the very best conservative endorsement that Trump could ever get when he said, "I think with the case of Trump, there's a much bigger upside than downside." That gives conservative idealists who are conflicted a rationale to support Trump. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: A con is one thing and it's illegal. Was anything illegal done? A deal that doesn't work out is another. Another thing. Should a man trying to sell something not use marketing? Or should his sales message be, "I'm doing this project that I think is good, but you never know. It might tank." Trump never tried to con anyone. He wanted to make money for himself and his investors. The source of profits he targeted was the market and the product he was selling, not investor money like in a Ponzi. Michael A con may or may not be illegal. Severity matters. Marketing may be done with different degrees of honesty. Quote [Trump], himself, never went into Chapter 13 bankruptcy. (Personal bankruptcy.) Link Perhaps you believe this counts in his favor. Here is another perspective. With THCR he showed his willingness to use other people's money, in lieu of his own, to finance very risky ventures. If he had used more of his money, rather than other people's, he might have faced personal bankruptcy. If he wins the presidency he will have big-time control over $trillions of other people's money -- taxpayers. That makes me very wary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Merlin, No problem. We can always count on Hillary to make good business decisions. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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