Donald Trump

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On 12/20/2018 at 5:38 AM, merjet said:

The Fed Chairman, Jerome Powell, who was appointed by President Trump, wants to get rid of President Trump?  That's news to me.

Merlin,

Here's some more news, if true.

Trump Discusses Firing Fed's Powell After Latest Rate Hike, Sources Say

Michael

[9thdoctor]

3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The spat is ugly. But it's not a collective movement in a scapegoating and execution ritual. So let the individuals work out their spat (or not).

It wasn't ok for Phil to call Ellen a cunt, but it is ok to call WSS a pedophile, with numerous (highly vulgar) variations on that theme?  Note that if it were "pedophile-enabler" or "useful idiot" I'd have no objection...I'd disagree, but wouldn't feel any need to speak up.  What's with the special treatment?  You may as well let Lindsay Perigo join. 

Mr. Letendre desires that WSS not address (or interact with) his posts on OL.  However, this is a public forum, and he has no control over the guest list.  There are plenty of other places he can express his views while maintaining control over the dialogue.  Evidently the poor dear needs a safe space.  He could try Facebook, for instance.  Or he could host his own site (Kahmi has hers, and she deletes Jonathan's posts as soon as they're made...as is her right). 

FWIW, my own attitude towards interacting with him has long been guided by a quote attributed to Mark Twain: Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. 

[Peter]

28 minutes ago, 9thdoctor said:

It wasn't ok for Phil to call Ellen a cunt, but it is ok to call WSS a pedophile, with numerous (highly vulgar) variations on that theme?  Note that if it were "pedophile-enabler" or "useful idiot" I'd have no objection...I'd disagree, but wouldn't feel any need to speak up.  What's with the special treatment?  You may as well let Lindsay Perigo join. 

Mr. Letendre desires that WSS not address (or interact with) his posts on OL.  However, this is a public forum, and he has no control over the guest list.  There are plenty of other places he can express his views while maintaining control over the dialogue.  Evidently the poor dear needs a safe space.  He could try Facebook, for instance.  Or he could host his own site (Kahmi has hers, and she deletes Jonathan's posts as soon as they're made...as is her right). 

FWIW, my own attitude towards interacting with him has long been guided by a quote attributed to Mark Twain: Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.  

Well said. Years ago, someone here on OL directed me to an article that gave the statistics about the incidences of pedophilia among straight and gay people and there was no significant difference. It is a small percentage everywhere  . . . . although I may be wrong about parts of Arabia and Africa . . . . or guys who like "Lolita's," those sexy "little chicks with the crimson lips" . . . I think that lyric is from the old "Drew Carey Show."

However, though I still think people who act out those impulses should be executed, I will agree we should chemically castrate and or imprison "active pedophiles. The harm they do lasts a lifetime. Off with their dicks!

I was just reading a Walter Mosely book, "John Woman" and I had to stop reading it. It was awful and I have now dropped the only black author on my to read list. It was philosophic and historical gibberish. In the book the 15 year old title character is seduced (or raped) by an older police woman "of color."         

[william.scherk]

For convenience sake ...

On 12/21/2018 at 9:41 AM, Jonathan said:

 

"Buh, buh, but muh fact-checkers! Muh unbiased, objective journalism!"

Edited December 22, 2018 by william.scherk
Muh reasons

[Jonathan]

6 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

For convenience sake ...

 

 

Thanks. Good to know.

J

[Peter]

Any predictions about the "next troop pullout?" If I were Prez I would take our troops out of friendly countries where there is no threat but I would continue to lead NATO. We don't need a forward staging area in Germany and that would be my choice for a withdrawal. I would hold off in South Korea, for example. But Japan would be on my list. Sasebo Japan, when I lived as a kid for a while was booming when the fleet was in.   

[william.scherk]

12 minutes ago, Peter said:

Any predictions about the "next troop pullout?"

Depends on the President.  The Russian President, that is -- I expect he has a list ...

Putin says U.S. presence in Japan complicates signing of peace treaty

Edited December 22, 2018 by william.scherk
Не твое проклятое дело!

[Jon Letendre]

1 hour ago, 9thdoctor said:

It wasn't ok for Phil to call Ellen a cunt, but it is ok to call WSS a pedophile, with numerous (highly vulgar) variations on that theme?  Note that if it were "pedophile-enabler" or "useful idiot" I'd have no objection...I'd disagree, but wouldn't feel any need to speak up.  What's with the special treatment?  You may as well let Lindsay Perigo join. 

Mr. Letendre desires that WSS not address (or interact with) his posts on OL.  However, this is a public forum, and he has no control over the guest list.  There are plenty of other places he can express his views while maintaining control over the dialogue.  Evidently the poor dear needs a safe space.  He could try Facebook, for instance.  Or he could host his own site (Kahmi has hers, and she deletes Jonathan's posts as soon as they're made...as is her right). 

FWIW, my own attitude towards interacting with him has long been guided by a quote attributed to Mark Twain: Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. 

I see the wisdom in your Note. I will adopt the first suggestion if he continues harassing me.

It is impressive how you twist simple laissez faire into me reaching for control of the guest list. Not big into libertarian values, eh, doctor? Are you with Hardcore Collectivist Carol on this — is laissez faire a violation of the fundamental right to harass?

Billy has the safe space here, shit for brains. And I have left him alone at his OL blog for several months now.

The pig likes it. Spoken like a rapist, stalker, or 19th century slave owner.

No, I don't like it.

I am begging to be left alone, by one person, that's all.

You are taking the side that demands a right to continue being personal instead of strictly intellectual. Good job, shit for brains.

[Peter]

2 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Depends on the President.  The Russian President, that is -- I expect he has a list ...

Putin says U.S. presence in Japan complicates signing of peace treaty

Smart! Well obviously that changes everything.

Alas! Are we doomed with troop pullouts and a government shutdown? Here is a memorable quote by "President Tom Beck" (portrayed by Morgan Freeman) in "Deep Impact" (1998).

Secretary Rittenhouse served his country with full devotion. He resigned for personal reasons. Now, I can promise you this, Miss Lerner, all of you, everyone in this room and everyone listening to my voice, that at some point over the next ten months, all of us will entertain our worst fears and concerns. But I can also promise you this. Life will go on, we will prevail.

And one more.

We watched as the bombs shattered the second comet into a million pieces of ice and rocks that burned harmlessly in our atmosphere, and lit up the sky for an hour. Still, we were left with the devastation of the first. The waters reached as far inland as the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys. It washed away farms and towns, forests and skyscrapers, but the water receded. The wave hit Europe and Africa, too. Millions were lost, countless more left homeless, but the waters receded. Cities fall, but they are rebuilt. And heroes die, but they are remembered. We honor them with every brick we lay, with every field we sow, with every child we comfort and then teach to rejoice in what we have been re-given. Our planet. Our home. So now, let us begin.

[Jon Letendre]

1 hour ago, Jonathan said:

Thanks. Good to know.

J

How is it that memes work, Jonathan? I think they work by pointing out some general truth, such as, thousands of mainstream journalists suffer TDS and they comically reverse themselves whenever they have to in order to be anti-Trump on every occasion. Everyone sees this over and over, and they recognize exactly what that meme asserts, and it's true.

But look at how the paid, synchronized attacks on Q proceed — they celebrate "debunking the fake Q!" over some measly detail about one particular meme, article content treated as article title, perhaps? It's hard to tell. And even harder to take seriously.

Do they really intend to argue against the meaning of the meme? Apparently not, and why would they want to try, they know well that we will have a million examples of that which the meme asserts.

But they do want to attack, attack, attack Q, so they go with attacking normal meme generation procedure, in this case apparently treating content as if it had been the title, or some such.

Isn't it amazing that the media organizes expensive, massive, coordinated attacks on Q when they maintain that he is just some teenager in mom's basement or some right-wing nut?

[Peter]

We are blessed with a President who has superior intellect, a more than adequate philosophy of government, and balls of brass. And I mean that seriously. Well maybe not totally, dudes, but metaphorically. Hail to the Chief!  

Conundrums. A wall around Mar-a-lago or The White House vs. a wall around a penitentiary. “The Mexican Border Wall,” (soon to come) and “The Great Wall of China? Those two walls were built to keep invaders out. “The Berlin Wall” and the “Korean Demilitarized Zone,” (from the northern dictatorial, communist perspective,) were built to keep “slaves” in. It’s such a minuscule and subtle difference, you may need to ponder it. Joke. The Budweiser made me do it. Or as Brant might say, “Hic!”

edit. I am trying to figure out Brant's Wheel paradox post.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

6 hours ago, 9thdoctor said:

It wasn't ok for Phil to call Ellen a cunt, but it is ok to call WSS a pedophile, with numerous (highly vulgar) variations on that theme?

Dennis,

Part of the reason is that I'm a sexist pig who stands up for, and protects, women by default. 

 

With the exception of Carol who has made it clear she wants to be treated equal to a man (feminism and all).

I aim to please...

 

(However, if I were near her and someone started bullying her, it just wouldn't continue in my presence unless I was out of commission or constrained or something like that. And even then I would be 100% focused on finding my chance to take out the bad guys... Even if she wanted to be treated like a man. That would no longer be her choice. I don't abide women being physically attacked in my presence. The man in me does not abide that. I won't stand for it.

Ditto for kids attacked by adult strangers. It's more complicated when they are with their parents, but even then, if physical abuse goes too far in my presence, I step in.)

btw - I agree that the enabler qualification is a good idea. Not because it is more PC, but because it is cognitively more accurate from what people know of each other (or surmise) in a public discussion.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

3 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

But look at how the paid, synchronized attacks on Q proceed — they celebrate "debunking the fake Q!" over some measly detail about one particular meme, article content treated as article title, perhaps?

Jon,

I saw the meme in context. It's hard for me to determine if he was taking the comparison seriously (thus actually got fooled by a meme), or he was presenting it for debunking, knowing it was fake all along (and probably planted), the way President Trump does when he misspells words on purpose in a tweet. Errors planted for others to correct get great publicity--the self-righteous gotcha warriors make sure they get far more exposure than otherwise. And it works every time, whether intentional or not. They just can't help themselves, poor things...  

btw - My doubt stems from the exaggerated hysterical headline: "Fake News Media is Fake, Fake, Fake!" ... and similar later in the text. That is not his typical style. His typical style is questioning, cryptic, and predictive of the downfall of bad guys. I haven't seen him do temper tantrum histrionics before, not even as mockery...

I can't tell for sure, but if I had to bet, I would I bet this thing is working precisely as QAnon engineered.

Watch and see if the following messages need more audience than usual to strike home due to some special aspect. If not, if they are his normal fare, I will agree it might be a fuck-up. But if so, I will be almost certain it was engineered on purpose.

Michael

[Peter]

Billions and billions? No. Trillions and trillions. On “Life, Liberty and Levin” tonight on Fox News, Walter Williams thinks the debt collapse will occur between 2030 and 2040. No politician will commit political suicide by restricting Social Security or Medicare. Rewriting or ignoring the Constitution IS the political norm.  We may be headed for a totalitarian regime to sweep up the pieces. And yes, freedom is an aberration in human history.  He will be on until 8.

For ours, our kids, and grandkids sake we should overwhelmingly support Donald Trump in 2020 and his “decent” successor in 2024. Peter    

[Jon Letendre]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jon,

I saw the meme in context. It's hard for me to determine if he was taking the comparison seriously (thus actually got fooled by a meme), or he was presenting it for debunking, knowing it was fake all along (and probably planted), the way President Trump does when he misspells words on purpose in a tweet. Errors planted for others to correct get great publicity--the self-righteous gotcha warriors make sure they get far more exposure than otherwise. And it works every time, whether intentional or not. They just can't help themselves, poor things...  

btw - My doubt stems from the exaggerated hysterical headline: "Fake News Media is Fake, Fake, Fake!" ... and similar later in the text. That is not his typical style. His typical style is questioning, cryptic, and predictive of the downfall of bad guys. I haven't seen him do temper tantrum histrionics before, not even as mockery...

I can't tell for sure, but if I had to bet, I would I bet this thing is working precisely as QAnon engineered.

Watch and see if the following messages need more audience than usual to strike home due to some special aspect. If not, if they are his normal fare, I will agree it might be a fuck-up. But if so, I will be almost certain it was engineered on purpose.

Michael

You are doubtless correct about it being intentional. The precious idiots are helping spread Q and his message, it is working exactly as you describe. They can't help themselves, so, by their stupidity and lack of self control, they help us.

Regarding "Fake News Media is Fake, Fake, Fake!"

That is commentary from the hosting site https://qmap.pub in the form of their own invented post "title" it is not part of Q's post #2639.

Q has several authors. There are distinct voices, for sure. "Fake, fake, fake" and "fight, fight, fight" are common. "These people are sick," "These people are stupid." also common. Not all of them are wordsmiths.

Fake News Media is Fake, Fake, Fake!

2639

Q!!mG7VJxZNCI21 Dec 2018 - 8:42:54 AM

 

FAKE NEWS.jpeg

Why do people trust the FAKE NEWS media?
Anons can play this game all day long.
Compare & Contrast.
FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!
Q

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

12 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Q has several authors. There are distinct voices, for sure. "Fake, fake, fake" and "fight, fight, fight" are common. "These people are sick," "These people are stupid." also common. Not all of them are wordsmiths.

Jon,

Frankly, I haven't see the fake fake fake and fight fight fight stuff before in relation to QAnon..

Even now, when I go to https://qmap.pub and start scrolling down, after I pass December 21, where it is? I scrolled through three pages of that site on back to Nov. 9 and didn't find anything like that.

I've been trying to find my way around 8Chan (in the Q Research section), but I didn't find it there either. Granted, I didn't do that much scrolling since there is so much to scroll through. And searches on the pages did not turn up "fake fake" or "fake, fake".

So I think this sudden shift of style in expression is a kind of honeypot to catch gotcha warriors. And it adds the benefit of mocking their constant outrage over so little by mimicking it.

 

I might be wrong, but I can't find where yet.

Michael

[Jonathan]

19 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

How is it that memes work, Jonathan? I think they work by pointing out some general truth, such as, thousands of mainstream journalists suffer TDS and they comically reverse themselves whenever they have to in order to be anti-Trump on every occasion. Everyone sees this over and over, and they recognize exactly what that meme asserts, and it's true.

But look at how the paid, synchronized attacks on Q proceed — they celebrate "debunking the fake Q!" over some measly detail about one particular meme, article content treated as article title, perhaps? It's hard to tell. And even harder to take seriously.

Do they really intend to argue against the meaning of the meme? Apparently not, and why would they want to try, they know well that we will have a million examples of that which the meme asserts.

But they do want to attack, attack, attack Q, so they go with attacking normal meme generation procedure, in this case apparently treating content as if it had been the title, or some such.

Isn't it amazing that the media organizes expensive, massive, coordinated attacks on Q when they maintain that he is just some teenager in mom's basement or some right-wing nut?

Yep, I get it.

I've seen some hilarious Ocasio-Cortez memes, some are true quotes, some are made up. Often times it's hard to guess whether or not she actually said it, so it's nice to have people putting their time into investigating it for free.

"Why do capitalist elevators have a button for the floor that you're already on? That's wasteful. Once America is socialist, we'll save money by getting rid of those buttons."

J

 

[Jon Letendre]

 

[Jon Letendre]

 

[william.scherk]

In the spirit of the holidays ...

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Man, how the left and right establishment hates ending wars for Christmas these days...

   

The following is in the true and best spirit of Christmas from my perspective:

Now they are mad because he is STOPPING two wars. How about you just admit you hate the President, love war and have been wrong for the last 20 years on every part of foreign policy?

Consider that my Christmas present. You don’t have to get me anything else.

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) December 23, 2018

Michael

[Jon Letendre]

On 12/23/2018 at 8:19 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jon,

Frankly, I haven't see the fake fake fake and fight fight fight stuff before in relation to QAnon..

Even now, when I go to https://qmap.pub and start scrolling down, after I pass December 21, where it is? I scrolled through three pages of that site on back to Nov. 9 and didn't find anything like that.

I've been trying to find my way around 8Chan (in the Q Research section), but I didn't find it there either. Granted, I didn't do that much scrolling since there is so much to scroll through. And searches on the pages did not turn up "fake fake" or "fake, fake".

So I think this sudden shift of style in expression is a kind of honeypot to catch gotcha warriors. And it adds the benefit of mocking their constant outrage over so little by mimicking it.

 

I might be wrong, but I can't find where yet.

Michael

I don’t know what to say. When I enter “fight” in term search I get over a dozen returns containing “fight! fight! fight!”

https://qmap.pub/

I haven’t noticed sudden shifts, just multiple voices and styles, back and forth.

There are times when Q is talking to bad actors, or giving white hats instructions and authorizations, not talking to us at all. 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

8 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

I don’t know what to say. When I enter “fight” in term search I get over a dozen returns containing “fight! fight! fight!”

Jon,

When I entered "fight fight", I got two results.

When I entered "fight! fight!", I got three.

I was using the browser search before. These are the results of the QAnon search (which I didn't even notice before).

I just tried "fight, fight," and I got 11 results. That makes a total of 14. So with the three fights, I see there are a few results (hardly dozens, though  ). btw - I could do the 11 as a screenshot, but this is getting to be too much effort for the value of the point.  

With the three "fakes", the best I could come up with in all permutations were 4 results (one with exclamation points and three with commas). All four were from the end of December.

What this means is whatever it means and not one thing more.  

From my perspective of just scanning this stuff periodically, the FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! was a drastic change in style. It was the first time I ever saw it. Not to mention, there are oodles and oodles of entries, pages and pages, all with a less hysterical style. So a pattern of this over-the-top style is really easy to miss, if it is a pattern at all.

I bet I am not the only one who got the same impression.

Michael

[9thdoctor]

19 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Man, how the left and right establishment hates ending wars for Christmas these days...

   

The following is in the true and best spirit of Christmas from my perspective:

Michael

 

Lennon might have been happy about it.

 

[Jon Letendre]

Here is a most interesting early Q post, #416 Dec 21, 2017

 

Soros takes orders from P.
You have no idea how sick and evil these people are.
Fight, fight, fight.
Day of days.
Game over.
Q

 

P appears to refer to the Payseur family 

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95AEDE7B8A49624_Springmeier.-.Bloodlines.of.the.Illuminati.R.pdf

THE FIRST NOTABLY RICH ROCKEFELLER. 

William Avery Rockefeller had many bastard children, and it can be imagined many children born for 
ritual or for the cult. His wife Eliza had six children for him and of those John Davison Rockefeller is 
the infamous one who brought the family into limelight. John D. Rockefeller in his lifetime became 
on of the most powerful men in the world. One of the most best kept secrets were his secret dealings 
with the other Illuminati families. The Payseurs and other Illuminati families are all intimately 
involved in the rise to power of the Rockefellers. The other factors involved in John D. Rockefeller's 
rise to power Is his utter ruthlessness. He was willing to do anything for power. John o. Rockefeller 
established the family in their principal estate at Pocantico Hills in New York. I have lost the exact 
figure, but over 100 Rockefeller families live at the private land of Pocantico Hills.

A CONTINUATION OF ARTICLES ON THE TOP 13 ILLUMINATI FAMILIES 
INTRODUCTION by Fritz Springmeier 

The Rothschilds are one of the most well-known of the thirteen families. David J. Smith of Portland 
was asked to prepare an article on the Rothschilds for this newsletter. His article follows this 
introduction. Satan's selective breeding program has been continuing down through the ages hidden 
from the eyes of the public. One of the most powerful Rothschild bloodline families in America are 
the Springs. The Springs were originally the Springsteins when they came to America in the mid-I 
1700s and settled in NY and NJ. They later changed their name from Springstein to Springs to hide 
their identity. Leroy Springs was hired by LC. Payseur. Now most American's have to ask, who is 



L.C. Payseur? One of the most secret and most powerful families in North America has been the 
Payseurs. They have been so powerful that they could hide their wealth and power, and use other 
Satanic families as proxies. The Payseurs are part of the i 3th top Illuminati family. The first Payseur 
to come to America was the former crown prince of France Daniel Payseur (1785-1860). He came 
over about 1805 to the U.S. and married Susannah Kiser c. 1814. They had two boys Adam and Jonas 
(1819-1 884). Jonas married Harrietta Smith and they had Lewis Cass Payseur (1850-1939). It was 
this Lewis Cass Payseur who hired the Rothschild bloodline of the Springs to run a number of the 
Payseur' s companies. The Payseurs were one of the original big railroad families along with Issac 
Croom and William H. Beatty. Isaac Croom's wife was a sister of William Beatty's, so the reader can 
see how all these elite bloodlines intertwine. Remember that LC. Payseur hired Leroy Springs to 
operate a host of his companies. Leroy Springs father was A. A. Springs and A.A. Springs was the 
secret father of Abraham Lincoln. 

In 1808, Nancy Hanks, of the lineage of the McAdden Scottish family visited some of her family at 
Lincolnton, N.C. Nancy Hawks visited the Springs family and that is when A.A. Springs impregnated 
her, and her child when born was named Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln's Rothschild blood was 
kept very secret, but he did grow up to be a famous lawyer, a secret leader of the Rosicrucians, and 
President of the United States. It is believed from the evidence that the establishment conspiracy 
concocted the person of Thomas Lincoln out of thin air. The actual early history of Abraham Lincoln 
is shrouded in myth and mystery, and as one encyclopedia puts it, 'We know little about the family of 
his mother, Nancy Hanks Lincoln." While a lawyer, Abraham Lincoln had a sexual liaison with 
Elizabeth who was the illegitimate daughter of German King Leopold, who is also of elite blood 
lineage. Abraham Lincoln and Elizabeth had two twin daughters Ella and Emily in 1856 who were 
adopted out. Lincoln in fact had a fairly large number of illegitimate children. Now A. A. Springs, 
who was both the biological father of Leroy Springs and Abraham Lincoln left an enormous amount 
of land in what is now Huntsville, AL to his son Abraham Lincoln. Huntsville, AL by the way has 
become a hotbed of NWO activity. Some of the mind-control research the intelligence community has 
been conducting has been done at Huntsville. The Rothschilds even named one of their boys after 
Abraham Lincoln, his name was Lincoln Rothschild. Although Abraham Lincoln secretly had 
powerful occult blood, he was a great man in his own right. And just like JFK, he had the strength of 
personality to refuse to bow to the Illuminati 's instructions. Lincoln refused to go the path that his 
distant European International Banking Rothschild relatives wanted for the United States. The 
Illuminati goal had been to split the U.S. into two easier to control nations. And just as with JFK, who 
also came from a top 13 family, a large scale conspiracy Involving many government officials 
including the Secretary of Defense was put into place to assassinate Lincoln. There are numerous 
indications that show that the Rothschilds were in part behind the assassination of Lincoln. Some of 
the men who worked for the Payseurs of the 13th top family were Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, the 
Vanderbilts, Giftord Pinnchot, and John D Rockefeller. These men were selected to run Payseur 
companies because they belonged to the satanic elite. The Leroy Springs family got Payseur family 
companies in the early 1920s. It was Leroy that managed to get the Rothschild's involved with the 
Federal Reserve. Two companies that have come out of the Payseur' s old Lancaster Manufacturing 
Co. ins Weyerhaeuser and Crown-Zellerbach. I have long know these were companies tied to the 
elite, but it wasn't until i found the secret Payseur family at the very top of these companies that I 
really understood the full story. The Payseurs have gone to extreme lengths to corrupt government 
documents, such as courthouse records. They have hidden the births of many of their descendants, 
and have covered over with extreme secrecy most of their monetary holdings. 

Remember the Beatty family was an early railroad family with business ties to the Payseur family. 
Bartholomew F. Moore, who was the private attorney for years to President Abraham Lincoln, was a 
blood relative of the Beatty family. It was Bart Fingers Moore who co-authored the 14th amendment 
for the conspiracy. The Beatty family continually resurfaces when doing research on the conspiracy. 
Shirley MacLaine, the famous New Age leader/author is from the Beatty family. She credits her start 
to Edgar Cayce by the way, who in turn was interested in Blavatsky. Blavatsky was a student of the 
Mason Anton Mesmer, who introduced the world to hypnotism. Hypnotism had been secretly 
practiced by the Mystery Religions for thousands of years before Mesmer taught Blavatsky and others 



about it. Charles Beatty Alexander, who is an Illuminati „ prince "/Pilgrim Society member is an 
example of a Beatty in recent times who was within the elite. Quantrill, who was a famous 
Confederate colonel and guerilla leader, whose band of raiders evolved into the Jessie James gang 
was married into the Springs (Rothschild) family 

The recent lala Madelyn Payseur Gatling Fulghum (1876-1972) was the late head of the Payseur 
family. The documentation on the above families is extensive, but much of the evidence that has been 
photocopied out of the few documents left intact have been destroyed since the documents were 
photocopied. The amount of tampering with official documents is incredible, and further Illustrates 
the enormous power the Rothschilds and the Payseurs (the 13th family-the Holy Blood line) have. 
The researchers who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail got a taste of the power of the 13th blood line to 
manipulate documents held by libraries and governments in Europe. The same type of thing has been 
happening in the United States. The researcher into the Satanic elite has a hard row to hoe because the 
Satanic families have tried to cover their tracks through history. They have also tried very hard to 
cover up what their financial assets are. Those Rothschilds who have carried on the Rothschild name 
have had a higher visibility. It is this group of Rothschilds which have gained the public's attention, 
even though they too are very secretive.