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Trump's True Truth Social account re-Truths a definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome:  

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That's what it says at the top of the page.  Your point?  It's not like this thread has devolved into a medley of cat videos.  Yet.  

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It is intriguing.  I've been fairly obsessed for about a year with thinking about details.  I find microbiology fascinating. I wouldn't be wise, however, to talk about details.  The schemers are

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I think the Democrats have desperately played their weak hand, lost and might never be the same. You can't base a policy and philosophy on being "anti" anything and anyone, first is the need to stand "for" something. For the Dems, lately, who knows what that is, except childish outrage or scorn at everything? A grab-bag of "issues" is not enough. Anyhow, their priority has not seemed to be the maximum good of the Republic. More guessing: external/internal pressures will split this 'unholy' gathering of those once-moderate, thinking Democrats from the excess baggage they have picked up -- the hard Leftists and the Socialists - which means two or three parties could emerge from the original. The Republicans will be sitting pretty for several election cycles to come, if they're smart - and principled. In for a penny, and another prediction, I think not too far out there - in this future arena the Libertarian party could become a significant opposition.

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On 10/5/2018 at 11:01 PM, Marc said:

I don’t think Trump is a Randian hero , I think John Galt is a Trumpian hero . 

Atlas Shrugged was still only a book , Trump is real life 

Right, there is a tendency to make of Galt (etc.) a "template" to which real individuals are to be matched, and who fail when no match is immediately perceived . Maybe, consider that 'rationalist Romanticism'. One sees that excellence and good qualities in real people come in many forms and varieties, never as superficially obvious as the essentialist representations of art or literature make them to be.

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On 10/5/2018 at 4:29 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jonathan,

Actually I kinda did.

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However, I said it like this:

And that is actually the way you said--that President Trump is Objectivism-friendly. 

However, eleven posts above this one, I came out saying that, in the major fundamental abstractions, President Trump is a Randian hero. Maybe I should have said he's the equivalent, but that's just playing with words. In fundamentals, it's the same thing.

I also said alterations need to be made due to context and scope. I certainly made enough qualifications for context and scope to make it clear he was not identical to her fictional heroes since the situation he lives in is not present in her fiction. I forgot to mention he's a Christian, but then again, the Founding Fathers were Christians and/or Deists, Aristotle most likely believed in Greek mythology as his religion, Thomas Aquinas was Catholic, and so on. All of these were real-life Randian heroes to Rand--but within the context of the different realities they lived in.

I feel fully justified saying what I say, too, mainly because the official self-proclaimed guardians of Objectivism claim, in the name of Objectivism, that he represents the exact opposite of what he does--when what he does is Objectivism-oriented. They left their awareness of principles outside the hating room when they went in to speak and all they see is an archetype they made up and fear. The Trumpian archetype is nowhere in Rand's literature. I know. I've read all of it. So to see it for what it is, you have to use your brain. Rand doesn't give it to you. And that scares the shit out of them.

Rand's philosophy standing on one foot:

When dealing with reality, President Trump checks all four boxes. The only exception is his professed Christianity, which nobody really believes he holds deep down inside (except, maybe, in the way the Founding Fathers were Deists). And even then, he never relies on miracles or whatever to guide his judgment of what needs to be done.

He uses religion, but he uses it as an organizing tool to get people on the same emotional level more than anything else. Just look. When he does public prayer, it's almost always to encourage people to care about each other enough to want to live and work in peace with each other.

Notice that President Trump has written a lot of books. Not one of them is a religious tract. They are all about applying reason to the market, applying reason to inspiring yourself toward excellence, applying reason toward winning, and so on.

So he relies on reason. Actually, he is the President who has most applied reason to deal-making in the history of our country. His reason starts with identifying human nature within the context of deal-making and using that knowledge with the skill of a grand master.

As to metaphysical reality, like I've said often, his buildings don't fall down. He uses reason to build them.

Or how about this quote from Rand?

What the hell do people think Trump's concept of winning through excellence is about if not heroism? And so on through all four.

People who can't look at Trump's actions and see this always say things like Trump's tariffs are not laissez faire capitalism, but they never include Trump's stated goal of international trade without tariffs and without government subsidies. They cherry-pick his comments and actions, blank out the context, and treat Trump as a mental case or evil villain. Oddly enough, these geniuses want Americans to practice self-sacrifice against crony cartels and call that free trade. And they can't see the man who is against that because he doesn't use their jargon and doesn't look like anything they've seen predigested by Rand. They haven't been told by her how to think about him.

And they do all this in the name of Objectivism using their self-proclaimed authority as gatekeeping credentials.

Well... if they can do that, I certainly can tell the truth--as openly and loudly as I can--about the parallels between Trump and Objectivism. And, using Rand's own shortcut criteria for Objectivism, he meets that fundamental criteria in his actions. Not in his words a lot of the time, though. But there are reason-based reasons for that.

Even going toward nitpicking about words, what is reality? Words or actions? And when the two conflict, which represents reality better? Actions, of course. All anyone has to do is look and see that President Trump's actions are geared toward productive achievement. One doesn't do that without reason-based concepts guiding it irrespective of the words one says.

And there's the following. My authority to say all this is my own independent rational mind. My own independent observation and thinking.

Let them try to shut me up with condemnation, peer pressure and the like. I will not betray my mind the way they betrayed theirs.

Michael

Yup. Totally.

If someone says that Trump is pretty Randian, that he is the most O-friendly prez ever, or even a Randian hero, what True Believers hear is that Trump is being heralded as a Pure Objectivist real life equivalent of one of Rand's fictional Ideal Men, that he has studied and integrated Objectivism into his life, follows it, advocates it, and practices it unerringly, and publicly credits and pays homage to Rand daily.

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Anthony wrote about American Democrats: Anyhow, their priority has not seemed to be the maximum good of the Republic. end quote  

OL is like that theme song to the TV show “Cheers.” “You want to go where everybody knows your name. And they’re always glad you came.” I like this larger community of more than one “political nation” because in a real sense we DO live in the same place, in our inner beings. The internet is a wonderful thing. Peter

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I know I made fun of Trump/Rump back in the 2016’s as looking like Mussolini when he spoke, etc., but his “nationalism” is not fascist. However, the left is fascist/leftist, and they are using “brown shirt” tactics. My reversal of my opinion of our fearless leader was as easy as counting on my fingers. Just getting to “One Potato” got me past his faults. Let’s see, a million good points minus four equals . . .

I bought 7 Mega Ball tickets at two bucks each, and I got the mega millions number which is equal to 2 bucks, and also the mega millions number plus one which is equal to 4 bucks, so I spent 14 and got 6 in return AND I had a lot of fun anticipating a win. The next drawing is on Tuesday and in 2020. Take home for the cash option after taking out 60 percent for taxes is $142, 000, 000.  

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At a skim, there is a lot of dropped context and rationalizing to conflate different things, going on in that article. "Frightening parallels" with the Third Reich? "Fascists". "Ultranationalism"? That sounds like the collectivist's knee-jerk response to confronting independence, autonomy, self-sovereignty, self-responsibility--and sure, caring for your country and admiring its accomplishments, while acknowledging its errors.

One quote : "...you create this false fear and panic by painting the ordinary center-left party as socialists..." (Right, I see - there aren't any socialists just those poor, hard-done by center-leftists).

(And he cites Hannah Arendt approvingly...).

And: "It's a future thing, our greatness, not a past thing". (Wow. Nothing to see here, America and Americans made nothing and achieved nothing. Maybe one day we can be great, when we've appeased everyone and apologized enough for existing).

Then - "Trump's War On Immigrants". So why do (some, many, if not all) immigrants want to enter the US to live, if not for their liberation from others - from their own people - and under laws they won't find back at home or elsewhere? But even so, nobody has an inherent right to immigrate to any sane country today, without some controls (like several SA friends who settled happily in the USA twenty to thirty years ago, did not have that "right" - it took years and they had to fulfill many requirements, e.g. first finding solid employment there).

To indulge their moral sentimentalism, and for nefarious demographic reasons, the leftists want to open the doors to everyone. By so doing, I imagine the essential nature of the nation could eventually change, exactly contrary to what some of those immigrants sought in the first place! And it's not like many caring Leftists are volunteering to take in and look after newcomers, themselves. Others will pay for us to feel good.

America has its Fascists, but those I keep seeing, loudly hearing and forcing their opinions down others' throats while shutting down dissent and freedoms, are almost all plainly Leftists.

The smear "ultranationalism" is camouflage to cover Jason Stanley's tracks: what he and many want is 'Internationalism', or "Globalism".

Here is a plain-spoken conservative voice to clean the palate, what I've floated before, about Obama and intellectuals dedicated to Europeanizing America :

Europeanize America? Not on Your Life

  • Europe did not invent racism and religious bigotry, but it surely perfected them.

  • Europeans lived for centuries under kings and emperors. They came to believe that power flowed from the top down. The "elite" decide what is best for the "common people" -- the "masses" -- and then cram it down their throats.

  • The "elite" send their children to the best schools and universities, and relegate the children of the "common people" to lousy schools, where they get lousy educations, which prepare them for lousy jobs, which pay lousy salaries, which leave them dependent on the government for a lifetime of "assistance." But they expect the "common people" to be grateful for the "universal education" -- and for the "assistance."

  • The American idea of individuals being responsible and taking responsibility is utterly foreign to the "elite," who seem much more comfortable with the European idea of infantilizing subjects to make them dependent on a parentified government to protect them, care for them, dole out money to them, and in general control their lives. If people cannot even choose their own light bulbs, toilets, or dishwasher detergent, in what sense are they free?

 

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The Normandy American Cemetery is the burial place of thousands of American soldiers who fought and died to liberate Europe during World War II, many of them on D-Day, June 6, 1944. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. 1st Class Daniel Wallace)

 

If Europeanize were not a word, we would have to invent it, because that is what many are doing to America. Remember when candidate Obama was asked if he believed America is exceptional? He answered yes, but only in the sense that Britain, Greece, and other nations are exceptional.

As Gilbert and Sullivan said, "When every one is somebodee, Then no one's anybody!"

If every nation is exceptional, none is.

It is not that Obama and his friends really think America is unexceptional. They may well believe it is exceptional, but that it should not be. So they do everything they can to end its exceptional nature, and to make it resemble other nations. They are Europeanizing America.

Do not get me wrong. I love Europe. That is, I love to visit it:

  • I love to see the towers in Ireland, where monks hid from Viking raiders while preserving knowledge for the West. But now, Ireland's church is scandal-ridden.
  • I love to see the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace, a reminder of the time when Britain controlled one-fifth of the Earth. But now the British army is a shadow of its former self. In 2013, a British soldier was murdered and almost beheaded on a London street.
  • I love to see the unsurpassed beauty of Paris. But now France is undergoing a demographic transformation.
  • I love to see beautiful cathedrals, where Christianity inspired great works of art. But now they have few worshippers.

And there are other things in Europe that I do not love, but I feel obligated to see:

  • I feel obligated to visit Clifford's Tower in York, England, where in the year 1190, Jews were massacred because of their faith. Europe did not invent racism and religious bigotry, but it surely perfected them. Europe invented the blood libel as far back as 1144, falsely accusing Jews of using the blood of children for Jewish rituals.
  • I feel obligated to remember (because it no longer exists) the Vélodrome d'Hiver, the Paris bicycle-racing stadium where in 1942 the French police rounded up thousands of Jews for shipment to Auschwitz. And today in France, Jews are targeted for assault or murder.
  • I feel obligated to visit Belleau Wood, where U.S. Marines fought and diedto liberate Europe in World War I.
  • I feel obligated to visit Omaha Beach, where U.S. soldiers fought and diedto liberate Europe in World War II.
  • I feel obligated to read (insofar as I can) European newspapers, to remind myself of ingrates who condemn "American militarism."
  • I feel obligated to visit the reading room at the British Museum, where many people say Karl Marx sat and fantasized an ideal communist society -- as a result of which about 100 million died.
  • I feel obligated to visit the site of the Munich beer hall where Hitler launched his first attempt to overthrow the Weimar Republic.

Thanks a lot, Europe, for giving us two world wars, socialism, communism, fascism, Nazism, and for perfecting racism as exemplified by the Holocaust. You have done so much for the world in the last century. No wonder "progressives" think Americans should be more like you.

Europeans lived for centuries under kings and emperors. They came to believe that power flowed from the top down. So they felt comfortable when their new rulers called themselves Führer, the Central Committee of the Communist Party, the Council of the European Union, or whatever. The idea was similar:

  • The "elite" decide what is best for the "common people" -- the "masses" -- and then cram it down their throats.

  • The "elite" dream up notions of the "ideal" state, and leave the "common people" to deal with the inevitable mess that results.

  • The "elite" are cared for in the best hospitals and clinics, and relegate the "common people" to the tender mercies of "gatekeepers" who may -- or may not -- allow you to see imported doctors from who-knows-where. But they expect the "common people" to be grateful for "universal coverage." Government-run health care is a major step in the demolition process. If bureaucrats can tell people what care they and their loved ones can receive -- and what care they cannot receive -- in what sense are those people free citizens, and not subjects of a domineering government that imposes life-and-death decisions on them?

  • The "elite" send their children to the best schools and universities, and relegate the children of the "common people" to lousy schools, where they get lousy educations, which prepare them for lousy jobs, which pay lousy salaries, which leave them dependent on the government for a lifetime of "assistance." But they expect the "common people" to be grateful for the "universal education" -- and for the "assistance."

  • The "elite" view schools and universities as a source of indoctrination, not education. They require students to regurgitate the "correct" doctrine, whether it is Nazi, communist, socialist, or environmentalist. Original thought is punished with lower grades.

  • The "elite" view our children as wards of the state, for whom we have only limited responsibility. They view home-schooling with alarm, and they want to imprison parents who home-school their children, as is already done in (surprise!) Germany.

  • The "elite" view the government as the source of help for those in need. So they vote the "correct" way, but like Europeans, they give little to charity, and they actually discourage giving to charity.

  • The "elite" see nothing wrong with the fact that 52% of American childrennow live in households receiving means-tested government assistance. In fact, the "elite" would like 100% of children to depend on government assistance ‒ that is, on them, the "elite."

  • The "elite" care little for foreigners who suffer and die, so like Europeans, they want to shrink the military until it is too weak to intervene to stop tyranny or mass murder. They run up huge debts and push new social programs, leaving less money for defense. Europeans could let their defenses atrophy, because America defended them. But if we weaken ourselves, who will defend us? Belgium? Who will fight global terrorism? Liechtenstein? Yes, war is terrible; is surrender better? Is what China is engineering now -- total spying, grading and controlling all of its citizens -- what the West really wants for its children and grandchildren?

Americans, on the contrary, believe that power flows from the bottom up. We believe in trying something, and if it doesn't work, trying something else. We do not believe in allowing the "elite" to impose their unworkable notions of the "ideal" state. We view our children as gifts, for whom we have ultimate responsibility to bring up to be self-reliant, ethical citizens.

Americans, in fact, do not believe in the "elite" in the first place. So, predictably, the self-anointed "elite" do not like American ideas, and they seem to be doing their best to demolish the American system.

And now, with the unaffordable Affordable Care Act ("ObamaCare"), we can look forward to increasingly severe doctor shortages. Many young people are willing to spend the best years of their lives training to be independent professionals, but not to be government underlings. And waiting times are growing progressively longer. I wish you good luck and good health -- you will need both.

The American idea of rights is utterly foreign to the "elite," who are much more comfortable with the European idea of privileges granted -- or withdrawn -- at the whim of the government.

The American idea of individuals being responsible and taking responsibility is utterly foreign to the "elite," who seem much more comfortable with the European idea of infantilizing subjects to make them dependent on a parentified government to protect them, care for them, dole out money to them, and in general control their lives. If people cannot even choose their own light bulbs, toilets, or dishwasher detergent, in what sense are they free?

Yes, the "elite" want to Europeanize America. But in view of what has happened in Europe in the last century, and what is happening there now, this seems like a really abysmal idea. And I'll keep that in mind when I vote.

Dr. David C. Stolinsky, a retired physician, is based in the US.

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https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download?
[Pg 294]
[Meeting between Comey and Coleman on October 4]
>Coleman told us that he could not recall this briefing with Comey.
>Coleman’s notes from October 4 contained the following entry:
(1) Anthony Wiener [sic]
(2) [Unrelated]
(3) Wiener [sic] – texting 15 yo – Sexually Explicit
-9/26 – Federal SW – IPhone/IPAD/Laptop
-Initial analysis of laptop – thousands emails
-Hillary Clinton & Foundation
-Crime Against Children+++
>We asked Coleman about these notes and he told us that, given their placement in his notebook, the notes would most likely represent information he was briefed on first thing in the morning by his subordinates in the +++Criminal Investigative Division+++.
>Comey told us that he did not recall the briefing by Coleman reflected in his calendar.
>We asked Comey if this briefing could have been the time in early October that he recalled being told about the connection between Midyear and the Weiner investigation. Comey stated:
"It’s possible, possible this is what is knocking around in the back of my head, but I really, see I know the frailty of memory from having done a lot of this work, at least in my memory it’s much more of an informal than a meeting about it, but it’s possible."
>We showed Coleman’s notes from October 4 to Comey. Comey did not recall being briefed on the information contained in the notes.
I DO NOT RECALL.
I DO NOT RECALL.
I DO NOT RECALL.
THESE PEOPLE DESERVE TO [ ].
THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK.
WE ARE THE CURE.
PATRIOTS IN CONTROL.
THE WORLD WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.
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The World Will Know the Sick Truth About Hillary Clinton, Her Foundation and the FBI Cover-up

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https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download?
[Pg 294]
[Meeting between Comey and Coleman on October 4]
>Coleman told us that he could not recall this briefing with Comey.
>Coleman’s notes from October 4 contained the following entry:
(1) Anthony Wiener [sic]
(2) [Unrelated]
(3) Wiener [sic] – texting 15 yo – Sexually Explicit
-9/26 – Federal SW – IPhone/IPAD/Laptop
-Initial analysis of laptop – thousands emails
-Hillary Clinton & Foundation
-Crime Against Children+++
>We asked Coleman about these notes and he told us that, given their placement in his notebook, the notes would most likely represent information he was briefed on first thing in the morning by his subordinates in the +++Criminal Investigative Division+++.
>Comey told us that he did not recall the briefing by Coleman reflected in his calendar.
>We asked Comey if this briefing could have been the time in early October that he recalled being told about the connection between Midyear and the Weiner investigation. Comey stated:
"It’s possible, possible this is what is knocking around in the back of my head, but I really, see I know the frailty of memory from having done a lot of this work, at least in my memory it’s much more of an informal than a meeting about it, but it’s possible."
>We showed Coleman’s notes from October 4 to Comey. Comey did not recall being briefed on the information contained in the notes.
I DO NOT RECALL.
I DO NOT RECALL.
I DO NOT RECALL.
THESE PEOPLE DESERVE TO [ ].
THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK.
WE ARE THE CURE.
PATRIOTS IN CONTROL.
THE WORLD WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.
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The world cares?

In 1992 everyone who cared knew Bill was a liar but he was elected anyway. Then it got worse and worse but he was re-elected in 1996 because of gross bi-coastal corruption by the media elite and academia.

It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes. (Stalin) Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. (Beria)

These elites have ruled this country, especially through the Supreme Court, since the 1930s. Now that power is broken.

"Listen to the demons how they yell; they're cutting off Leopold's hands in hell!"

--Brant 

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7 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

The world cares?

In 1992 everyone who cared knew Bill was a liar but he was elected anyway. Then it got worse and worse but he was re-elected in 1996 because of gross bi-coastal corruption by the media elite and academia.

It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes. (Stalin) Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. (Beria)

These elites have ruled this country, especially through the Supreme Court, since the 1930s. Now that power is broken.

"Listen to the demons how they yell; they're cutting off Leopold's hands in hell!"

--Brant 

Very well said Sir , very well said ! 

A beautiful post . 

Happy Thanksgiving to all of us Canadians today and please God , our Country is next to elect a potential Prime Minister in the mold of President Trump. 

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On 10/6/2018 at 4:57 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

They need to make a petition for Ford to not walk away.

Maybe even run as Avanetti's VP candidate in 2020.

OMG, it gets worse!

LOL...

Please... please... please...

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 

Michael

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