william.scherk Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) This should go in under Fake News, but no doubt OLers will have comment on the meeting of the Presidents of Earth's two top nuclear powers. Syria, Ukraine, Iran, DPRK, 2016 election issues here with Donald Trump. Lots to think about. I'll eventually make a comment on Friends and Foes blog in under "Russian Goals" ... My metaphoric choices start with histrionic and end with HOLLYWOOD SQUARES ON BATH SALTS. Trey Gowdy's comment is, er, intriguing. Edited July 16, 2018 by william.scherk "Give it a few days to sink in, Martha." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jonathan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, william.scherk said: This should go in under Fake News, but no doubt OLers will have comment on the meeting of the Presidents of Earth's two top nuclear powers. Syria, Ukraine, Iran, DPRK, 2016 election issues here with Donald Trump. Lots to think about. I'll eventually make a comment on Friends and Foes blog in under "Russian Goals" ... My metaphoric choices start with histrionic and end with HOLLYWOOD SQUARES ON BATH SALTS. Seriously? It's a real shocker to people that Trump doesn't trust the people who have been caught promising to take him down, who pretended to investigate Hillary and concluded that she dindu nuffin, who made stupid immunity deals and destroyed evidence, etc., and who are still trying to find something on him? Heh. Trump should've brought a reset button and promised Vlad that he'd have more leeway after the next election. Then the left wouldn't be shocked, would they. They'd be getting thrills up their legs. Douchebags. The silver lining is that it is amazing to see the left and its lapdog press upset about Russia instead of fawning over it, forgiving and excusing it, and blaming the U.S. 'Member their "Gorbasms," their fears of the reckless dunce cowboy Reagan, their retarded admiration of the USSR's horrific noble experiment? Pure double standards and TDS Narrative. J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 After reading Blacklisted by History by M. Stanton Evans and American Betrayal by Diana West, I have a different take on the fake news media meltdown of President Trump meeting with Putin than what I read. I think they are terrified that a lot of secret monkeyshines will get exposure, seeing as how many of them (including the owners of the mainstream fake news) are descended from the folks who helped sell Stalin to the US way back when. Since they have campaigned on this silly "muh Russians" thing for all these months to explain Clinton's loss, maybe Putin will decide to give them a little payback and supply President Trump with some very interesting stories and real proof... After all, they way they have been acting during the "muh Russians" thing, I imagine Putin believes they have outlived their usefulness. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 btw - The oddest thing is happening on Amazon with Diana West. When I go to Amazon and type in "American Betrayal" or "Diana West" into its search field, an error page pops up. This even happens with her other book about death of the grown up. This doesn't happen with any other product I searched for on Amazon. And I did it several times and ways just to make sure. I was able to get to the book's Amazon page to provide a link by doing a Google search, then following that to the Amazon's page. This is really weird. Man, does it have my inner conspiracy theorist buzzing in my ear. There is something way too odd about way too many things with this Trump-Putin meeting. And I don't believe the nefarious stuff is with our President. Or even Putin, for that matter, although trust is a serious issue with him. I think a lot of swamp creatures are wide awake and nervous right now. Michael NOTE: I just tried the Amazon search again and it worked. So the glitch might have happened from too many people doing this search at the same time (given the relevance of this book) or some other technical reason. That's not shutting up my inner conspiracy theorist , but I have to mention it to be objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/marklutchman So Democrats call Trump a tyrant yet are foaming at the mouth for war with Russia because their precious Hillary lost the election. GET OVER IT. They’re willing to put the entire country in jeopardy because they didn’t get their way. What does that tell you? 3:14 PM · Jul 16, 2018 I don’t care if I get crap for saying this. I trust Trump & Putin waaaaay more than I trust the mainstream media. Who Agrees with me? 6:12 PM · Jul 16, 2018 People are going nuts over Trump talking to Putin! You'd think he gave him 20% of our Uranium or something. 7:00 PM · Jul 16, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 It's Prime Day! http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-dogs-on-error-page-prime-day2018-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine Have you read Brennan's Tweets? Jesus, He ran the Central Intelligence Agency for God's sake. Unhinged. He must realize what will eventually come out ... And that's why he's acting like a rabid cornered animal. 5:07 PM · Jul 16, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 PUTIN: Hillary Clinton Pocketed $400 Million Illegal Contribution in Tax-Free Russian Money During 2016 Election Those transactions, he said, were “accompanied and guided” by [US] intelligence officials. Those officials could be interviewed in the presence of Russians — just as he would graciously allow Mueller’s team to be present for the questioning of his own officers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, merjet said: It's Prime Day! http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-dogs-on-error-page-prime-day2018-7 Merlin, That's the page I got. Except the article said: Quote Many people trying to access Amazon's homepage during Prime Day were greeted with error messages... I was able to access Amazon's homepage just fine and even do an Amazon search to get Blacklisted by History. It was only when I tried to search Amazon about anything to do with Diana West, especially American Betrayal, that I got the dogs. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Memeorandum.com is an 'aggregator' of third-party information that I have referred to multiple times. It 'takes a reading' of which new stories are cited most by other news or new media outlets. The most cited stories are bumped to the top of a list. The sampling is probably also weighted to give precedence to some old grey eminences which were once sold as "newspapers of record." This is sort of the spread as with the Fake News thread here. Certain list header items can be surprising. For example, media/new media do not often quote from dodgy sites like, say, Gateway Pundit (due, you might expect, to a certain bent) But every once in a while an 'alternative' POV kind of site will perch atop a list of other sites commenting on or referring back to it. So an Infowars item might head a list of 'my story contains a link to or commentary on the article' ... Anyway, yeah, so what? -- it sounds like an aggregation of Unreliable News and Worse. Yes, boring wind-up to my boring use of Grand Hoopla and Grand Supreme Hoopla. These are modeled against the bizarre hierarchies of winners in those sad and bizarre pageants for toddlers and young girls. In that weird pageant world, there appears no higher step beyond Grand Supreme (unlike the Scientology awards to big donors or "whales"). And I'd thought that there would be no day exceeding previous exuberantly overwrought Grand Supreme media moments. Wrong. If Memeorandum is a proxy for the temperature of the hoopla machinery, today marks a new heat record. Media large and small and dodgy and trustworthy or not are feeding on the Helsinki story like piranhas on your leg. It's remarkable. I won't quote it since it would occupy too much space ["snapshot" page as of the writing of this comment: https://www.memeorandum.com/180716/h1805] Ultra Grand Supreme Hoopla! with Techron™ Edited July 17, 2018 by william.scherk Botched hrefs and a computer issue. Will add links again when I figure out what I frigged up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 One of the most idiotic things I've seen in the press all day is the charge--including by establishment-leaning Republican politicians and pundits--that President Trump did not humiliate Putin during the press conference by telling him to stop interfering in our election process. That President Trump had a "missed opportunity." Humbug... There is so much wrong with this, it's not funny, but the wrongest thing is the ability of these people to suck reality out of the stories they tell themselves and start believing their own bullshit. About hacking, President Obama told Putin to "knock it off." Those were his words. As far as his deeds go, even if we believe everything the "muh Russians" folks say, all the hacking happened under Obama. Think about it. Obama let it happen. Yet these idiots were satisfied. Obama told Putin, he sure did. Obama told him... so there. President Trump did not go that route, at least not in public. Not with words. But with deeds, I haven't heard about Russians hacking anything. They probably are since everyone is, but it's way in the shadows and dialed down. I predict there will be nowhere near the number of covert operations coming from Russia in the US during the upcoming elections. So think about it. One President (Obama), who does not have the reputation of talking trash, talked trash to Putin. But he did not do anything effective about it. Another President (Trump), who does have the reputation of talking trash, did not talk trash to Putin. But he does what needs to be done. Now look at which form the idiots in the fake news prefer. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Jon Letendre said: PUTIN: Hillary Clinton Pocketed $400 Million Illegal Contribution in Tax-Free Russian Money During 2016 Election Those transactions, he said, were “accompanied and guided” by [US] intelligence officials. Those officials could be interviewed in the presence of Russians — just as he would graciously allow Mueller’s team to be present for the questioning of his own officers. Jon, If I recall right, Putin clarified at the end of his comment that the contribution might have been legal, but the means of getting the money to contribute was illegal. That's what he wants to grill the US Deep State folks about since they helped generate that illegal money. Just to check, I looked it up. Here's an exact quote from the transcript (from here). Putin is speaking. Quote ... we can meet you halfway. We can make another step. We can actually permit official representatives of the United States, including the members of this very commission headed by Mr. Mueller, we can lead them into the country and they will be present for this questioning. But in this case, there's another condition. This kind of effort should be a mutual one. Then we would expect that the Americans would reciprocate and that they would question officials including the officers of law enforcement and intelligence services of the United States, whom we believe have something to do with illegal actions on the territory of Russia. And we have to request the presence of our law enforcement. For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over one and a half billion dollars in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russian army in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States. They sent huge amount of money - 400 million - as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Well, that's their personal case, it might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the money was earned was illegal. So we have a solid reason to believe that some intelligence officers accompanied and guided these transactions. So we have an interest of questioning them. What I read in between the lines is that US Deep State spooks helped one of the Russian white collar mobs (run at the time by an American, of all things) to generate $1.5 billion in Russia alone and, as gratitude, the Russian mob sent Hillary Clinton a $400 million present to help her get elected. Here is the Wikipedia entry of Bill Browder. He's a beaut... He's from Chicago, of course... In the 1930's, his grandfather was the leader of Communist Party USA, of course... He's in like Flynn with Obama and Clinton, of course... He gave up his US citizenship, of course... And so on. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 This is one of the best analyses of the Trump-Putin press conference I've seen so far. It's worth every minute. (btw - In the thumbnail, he's imitating the hysteria of CNN. ) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 12:54 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: In trying to set up your gotcha, you didn't read a word I said, did you? .... If you ever want to think about it, there is a difference between an identification and a taunt. President Trump was taunting the elitists while making his base feel good in his comment about "super-elites." It's kinda like a cheerleader does in a sports game or a pro wrestler trash talking his opponent. I read it. I didn't swallow it whole. Sorry if that disappointed you. Do you mean that Trump doesn't truly identify his supporters as super elites or believe that they are? In other words, did he only pretend flattery to them? That's very different from a cheerleader yelling, "Go, team. Go!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan said: No. When playing gotcha, as we see here, the idea is to pretend not to understand what people mean when using a term, and to then substitute one's own alternate definition/meaning, and then to claim that someone is being hypocritical by that alternate definition/meaning. "Trump's against the elites? Well, by the definition that I just chose, and not by the same one that Trump is using, he is an elite! Hahahaha! Gotcha!" Ineffective semantic game. Childish tactic. No, I didn't pretend to not understand MSK's meaning of elitist, ignoranus. My assumption was a common dictionary definition of elitist, and most such definitions include nothing about collectivism, nitwit. MSK's notion of elitist stems from package-dealing collectivist as a necessary part of it. Yet a super-elitist is not a collectivist! An amazing word play. Oh, my! The pot calls the kettle black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, merjet said: I read it. I didn't swallow it whole. Sorry if that disappointed you. Do you mean that Trump doesn't truly identify his supporters as super elites or believe that they are? In other words, did he only pretend flattery to them? That's very different from a cheerleader yelling, "Go, team. Go!" Merlin, Why on earth would that disappoint me? I don't mind when people try to set up a bang and it goes fizzle, especially because, in their rush to pull it off, they didn't pay attention. As to Trump imagining his supporters are a form of Nietzschean supermen, nah... Anyone who thinks that and is serious is hallucinating. President Trump, like I, does imagine the elitists are immoral, though. He thinks cheap vanity and power lust are poor excuses for living the good life when one can be producing. And when the elitists, those vain little creatures, poor things, keep pretending they are superior to everybody else, he simply looks down on them and tells his followers they should, too. His followers produce. The elitists are parasites who want to rule over everybody. There's nothing there to respect. But producers don't wallow in hatred like elitists tend to do. (Think "muh Russians.") So Trump followers express their contempt for elitists temporarily and in good fun. The contempt is real. The intensity, though, is light. Elitists are simply not worth more when a person has a family to care for, a profession to love, dreams to turn into reality, and so on. Who the hell needs to think about master wannabees when one is not a slave and never will be? As to cheerleading, I get the impression you know very little about it. Taunting the other side is quite common as a cheerleading activity. Example: Na na Na na na na Hey hey-ee-yay Goo-hood-bye. It's in this spirit President Trump calls his followers "superlites." He knows elitists are so vain, this gets under their skins and stings. And his followers, knowing that, have a a lot of fun with it at, say, rallies. Then it's over and they go back to their productive lives--to the important things in life--and stop thinking of silly elitists and elitism. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 MSK, It seems what I wrote didn't sink in. It was quite clear to me what Trump and you mean by elitist before you thought it necessary to elaborate. My comment was about Trump's and your meaning of super elitist. Or in your lingo, the identification, not the taunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, merjet said: My comment was about Trump's and your meaning of super elitist. Merlin, And it seems like what I wrote didn't sink in--twice. How many times do you want me to explain it? Please read very slowly: President... Trump... was... taunting... elitists... There is no definition for super-elitist except producer and moral person. Something elitists are not. Simply put, your gotcha fizzled. It's like a joke. Once it fizzles, the punchline will not come off anymore. So there's no way to revive your gotcha. It fizzled. But all is not lost. Why not go for another? You're intelligent and I imagine you can come up with a new one. Try harder, this time. As President Trump would say, "Swing for the rafters..." Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merjet Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: [snipped to save space] Translation: Blah, blah, blah. Gotcha. Fizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, merjet said: No, I didn't pretend to not understand MSK's meaning of elitist, ignoranus. My assumption was a common dictionary definition of elitist, and most such definitions include nothing about collectivism, nitwit. MSK's notion of elitist stems from package-dealing collectivist as a necessary part of it. Yet a super-elitist is not a collectivist! An amazing word play. Oh, my! The pot calls the kettle black. But what if the kettle is an optical illusion? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jonathan said: But what if the kettle is an optical illusion? Jonathan, Or worse, a cliché so overused, it has lost all its juice? I mean, who would self-reference as intelligent, then communicate over and over on a philosophy board using the same trivial cliché as a punch line? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Jonathan, Or worse, a cliché so overused, it has lost all its juice? I mean, who would self-reference as intelligent, then communicate over and over on a philosophy board using the same trivial cliché as a punch line? Michael Good point. Merlin really doesn't have any originality. Take a look at the stupid "paradox" thread, and notice that his notion of an effective retort is to say about you what you just said about him, or to call you the name that you just called him. Predicted response from Merlin: "Jonathan's the one who doesn't have any originality, and his notion of an effective retort is to say about you what you just said about him, or to call you the name that you just called him." J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, merjet said: Translation: Blah, blah, blah. Gotcha. Fizzle. Merlin, If that is swinging for the rafters, you need a little more practice... Go on. Try again. I believe in you. Knock it out of the park... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Montage of the activist media reporting their feelings: https://www.mrctv.org/videos/video-montage-cable-news-sees-apocalypse-trumpputin-summit Immediately after Trump was elected, they improved their outrage meter by making it go to eleven. They've kept it at eleven ever since. Shock, horror, outrage, panic, terror. Every day. It hasn't worked yet, but they still keep on doing it. We've expected some of them to learn, and to adapt. To try something new. But, no. Actually, it makes sense. They're lefties, and lefties never recognize their stupidity and their errors. After all, they advocate for socialism, then it fails, and then they advocate for more of it, and then it fails even worse, and they advocate fixing it with even more of it. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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