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The Price Of Shame - Excellent Talk By Monica Lewinsky

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Superior presentation...

 

She certainly earned even more respect from me and verified why I consider Evita so banal and despicable.

 

Monica raises clear and cogent perceptions concerning our culture, technology and our levels of terrorizing one another on line.

 

I am glad that she was able to survive and grow to be the fine and compassionate person she is.

 

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Public humiliation - maybe there is a positive role it can have in discouraging individuals from committing criminal acts and embarking on lives of crime.

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Public humiliation - maybe there is a positive role it can have in discouraging individuals from committing criminal acts and embarking on lives of crime.

Dennis:

Did it work for Evita and Bill?

I think there are more important points that Monica is making in that talk.

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Interesting history to Monica's family...

Her father is Bernard Lewinsky, an oncologist, who is the son of German Jews who escaped Nazi Germany and emigrated to El Salvador and then moved to the United States when he was 14.[3][6] Her mother, born Marcia Kay Vilensky, is an author who uses the name Marcia Lewis. Monica's maternal grandfather, Samuel M. Vilensky, was a Lithuanian Jew, and Monica's maternal grandmother, Bronia Poleshuk, was born in the British Concession of Tianjin, China, to a Russian Jewish family.[7][8][9] Monica's parents' acrimonious separation and divorce during 1987 and 1988 had a significant effect on her.[3][10] Her father later married his current wife, Barbara;[5] her mother later married R. Peter Straus, a media executive and former director of the Voice of America under President Jimmy Carter.[11]

After High School...

...Lewinsky attended Santa Monica College, a two-year community college, and worked for the drama department at Beverly Hills High School and at a tie shop.[3][10] In 1992, she began a five-year affair with Andy Bleiler, her married former high school drama instructor.[13] In 1993, she enrolled at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Oregon, graduating with a psychology degree in 1995.[3][4][10]

After graduating and with the...

...assistance of a family connection, Lewinsky got an unpaid summer White House internship in the office of White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta. Lewinsky moved to Washington, D.C. and took up the position in July 1995.[3][10] She moved to a paid position in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs in December 1995.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky

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I saw the teaser for this as soon as she presented.

 

I also saw her earlier speech at Forbes:

 

 

I have mixed feelings.

 

Of course I am against cyber-bullying and I am really glad Monica survived as well as she did.

 

The thing that bothers me in her presentation (both presentations) is the huge amount of progressive buzzwords. One of the characteristics of the progressive mentality is feelings of guilt--generally to be addressed by blaming others and trying to force restrictions on them.

 

It goes like this. I make a lot of Monica dick jokes and yuck it up for years. Suddenly, the guilt is in my face for the shameful way I acted. Why? A victim is rubbed in my nose. I can't get out of this one. I laughed. Oh, man... I laughed... Well, I can't be all wrong, either. It's gotta be somebody else who made me do it. Oh yeah... That's right. It's the oppressive elements in society. The misogyny. The corrupt system. We live in a culture of humiliation. We trade shame for filthy profits. Greed is driving all this. Goddam advertisers and capitalists. It's all their fault.

 

Whew! I don't have to feel so bad about myself. But for the oppressors? Let's go get 'em! We have a government goddam it and we are going to use it!

 

Monica's story hits this mentality with all cylinders blasting in overdrive. So we have to be more inclusive. There has to be accountability. We can do better. A victim is a victim is a victim--just look at how the victim is victimized by the oppressor (bullies)--and for what? Filthy greed. We all need to band together to protect the victims. And of course, we can do better. Because, you know, we feel guilty.

 

Here's an idea. Why don't we pass a law and get some government funding for studies and regulations to restrict sites from shaming others and penalize greedy advertisers who place ads on such sites? Maybe form a new government office to oversee this?

 

:smile:

 

That's the part that bothers me.

 

Instead of trying to educate people on how to be tougher and deal with it when they get bullied online, how to do things as individuals and even smack down the bullies, because, really, this problem is not going to go away, Monica's talks are fertile ground with lots of seeds to sprout bigger and bigger government controls.

 

I suppose this is as it should be.

 

After all, she did fall in love with a liberal.

 

Michael

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Michael:

I was hoping that you would pick that up.

Her talk was inspiring to me until about the 16:00 minute mark and then it took that turn to repression from an implied power, like the government.

When you look at her education in the wiki as well as her parents and stepparent, you can also imply a marxist narrative replete with victims, classes and controls.

I kinda thought you would nail that one.

My other problem were her use of names connect to concepts and studies which she claimed to rely on and I am going to take the time to look them up.

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Ross Perot, candidate for prez, interviewed by Larry King:

PEROT: The difference between human beings and rabbits is that we can think and reason. A rabbit is totally driven by his impulses. Unfortunately we've got a rabbit in the White House.

JTS: And this has what to do with the talk by Monica?

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Ross Perot, candidate for prez, interviewed by Larry King:

PEROT: The difference between human beings and rabbits is that we can think and reason. A rabbit is totally driven by his impulses. Unfortunately we've got a rabbit in the White House.

JTS: And this has what to do with the talk by Monica?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal

Ross Perot called Bill Clinton a rabbit. I think that's funny.

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Ross Perot, candidate for prez, interviewed by Larry King:

PEROT: The difference between human beings and rabbits is that we can think and reason. A rabbit is totally driven by his impulses. Unfortunately we've got a rabbit in the White House.

JTS: And this has what to do with the talk by Monica?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal

Ross Perot called Bill Clinton a rabbit. I think that's funny.

OK now I get the reference - it is...

Evita did a terrible job at keeping his ego in his pants...

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There has to be a point or moral to all this.

How about:

http://s156.photobucket.com/user/brendan13_photo/media/MonicaLewinsky.jpg.html

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Monica's story hits this mentality with all cylinders blasting in overdrive. So we have to be more inclusive. There has to be accountability. We can do better. A victim is a victim is a victim--just look at how the victim is victimized by the oppressor (bullies)--and for what? Filthy greed. We all need to band together to protect the victims. And of course, we can do better. Because, you know, we feel guilty.

Here's an idea. Why don't we pass a law and get some government funding for studies and regulations to restrict sites from shaming others and penalize greedy advertisers who place ads on such sites? Maybe form a new government office to oversee this?

:smile:

That's the part that bothers me.

Lewinski appears to be saying that she's so opposed to shaming that she's going to shame those who shamed her. She also appears to believe that she is not to be held responsible for her own choices, and that she should not suffer any consequences for her own poor decisions. It's perfectly fine for her to fuck around with powerful married men, and there shouldn't be any negative consequences to her for having done so, but, other people ARE to be held responsible for simply having expressed opinions about her behavior, and they should suffer negative consequences for expressing those opinions.

That's quite an irrationally disproportionate notion of fairness and accountability, skewed to the extreme in her own favor. Typical American liberal. It's really all about the spotlight and the potential money, while exempting herself from her own stated ideology.

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That's quite an irrationally disproportionate notion of fairness and accountability, skewed to the extreme in her own favor. Typical American liberal.

I haven't bothered to listen to her talk, but I'm confident this will be my reaction too, if/when I do.

Here's a favorite comedy bit from back then, you'll have to zap ahead to 14:42 to get to it:

Shame on me, eh?

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Not at all, I played that for female friends and they thought it was hilarious.

At any rate, I did not follow Bubba's Senate Trial, or, do more than have a passing interest in the impeachment hearings.

Therefore, since The Donald resurrected my utter disgust with my President and the First Lady for the criminal cover up and destruction of numerous American citizens who also happened to be women who shared being assaulted by Bubba I have been attracting information.

However, I was not aware that Hitchens had filed an affidavit in the Senate trial documents concerning a critical item.

Evita is on a path of complete self destruction.

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f you care to consult the Congressional Record of the Senate trial of Bill Clinton—the only impeachment trial ever held of a sitting and elected American president—you will find that the last item of business is the entering of three affidavits into the official account. One of these was sworn by me, one by my wife, Carol Blue, and one (witnessing only to the fact that we had not made up our story on the spot) by Scott Armstrong, the Senate Watergate investigator who discovered the Nixon tapes and later collaborated with Woodward and Bernstein. As the trial ended and CNN went straight to worldwide, the first features blazoned on the screen were my own—obscured (the features, I mean, not the screen) by an ill-advised new beard, which made me look like Rasputin or the Unabomber. A Clinton witness—Mr. Clinton chose not to appear at his own trial— had said that the White House staff had never done anything to spread the president’s famous and desperate smear of Monica Lewinsky as a stalker and blackmailer. I had a strongly contrasting impression and had decided, whether asked by a voter or a reader or indeed by the House Judiciary Committee, not to keep it to myself.

This is an astounding article that Hitch wrote in 1999.

White House aide Sidney Blumenthal testifies for the defense during the Senate impeachment trial, February 3, 1999.

Believe me when I say that I knew all that going in. During the next few days, I was to see that the word “snitch” can be made to rhyme with Hitch. I think Geraldo Rivera was the first to make anything of it; anyway, the joke got a good workout. Indeed, only a couple of weeks after Rivera first got his laugh, Maureen Dowd recycled the gag in her waning New York Times column. (This is the same Ms. Dowd, by the way, who gave away the whereabouts of Salman Rushdie while he was staying in my apartment in the fall of 1993—a time when, if I was a really keen rat, I could have made myself some serious reward money.) A snitch, if you think about it, is supposed to be motivated by malice, cynical selfpreservation, or hope of gain. You become a snitch by dropping an anonymous dime, by striking a plea bargain, by “naming names” to get yourself immunity, or by dumping a former associate to save your own skin. Nobody has made any such allegation against me. However, I here repeat my charge that the associates of Bill Clinton were actively, and with taxpayers’ money, spreading false information against truthful female witnesses. They sought to destroy the characters of these women by off-the-record briefings, and by underhanded denunciations. They snitched, in fact. In doing what I did, I testified against the authorities and not to them.

There are rarely coincidences in political wars.

Sidney appears in a released e-mail from Evita's criminal server network which compromised the national security of the United States and all hell breaks loose!

Today's Maureen Dowd's column. They had to revive ole Mo from her safe places crypt so she could write:

In 1999, when I interviewed him, Trump said of Bill: “He handled the Monica situation disgracefully. It’s sad because he would go down as a great president if he had not had this scandal. People would have been more forgiving if he’d had an affair with a really beautiful woman of sophistication. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were on a different level. Now Clinton can’t get into golf clubs in Westchester. A former president begging to get into a golf club. It’s unthinkable.”

Ignoring our more gender-fluid society, the skyscraper-obsessed Trump has hectored male rivals for being girlie men. But he knows Hillary is tough. So he’s wielding his knife on her most sensitive pressure point: her hypocrisy in running as a feminist icon when she was part of political operations that smeared women who told the truth about Bill’s transgressions. Hillary told friends that Monica was a “troubled young person” getting ministered to by Bill and a “narcissistic loony toon.” Hillary’s henchman Sidney Blumenthal spread around the story that Monica was a stalker and Charlie Rangel publicly slandered the intern as a fantasist who wasn’t playing with “a full deck.”

Charley Rangel, a real gem!

Dowd concludes:

In Iowa last fall, Hillary promised to fight sexual assault on campuses, saying that survivors had “the right to be heard” and “the right to be believed.” But when a woman last month asked if the women who claimed they were sexually harassed by Bill Clinton should be believed, Hillary faltered, replying lamely: “I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence.” She’s in a dicey spot on this, as Trump well knows.

Hillary reacted to his ad by tweeting, “It’s important to stand up to bullies.”

Trump can be a bully. But Hillary was a bully, too, in the way she dealt with her husband’s paramours. Her impulse, as Lewinsky wrote in Vanity Fair, was to blame the woman — even herself. Hillary was not going to be hurt twice by Those Women, letting them damage her marriage and her political future. If someone had to be collateral damage, it was not going to be Hillary. For now, she will have to deal with that old show business saw: Exit, pursued by a bear.

Now The Donald has found a huge hole in Evita's armor and he is directing and demanding that the alleged press find out why Bill and an international billionaire who traffics in women and pedophilia were such close friends for so many years.

Pandora had nothing on Evita's Box!!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/10/exclusive-kathleen-willey-urges-clinton-sex-victims-to-break-silence-nobody-can-touch-you-now/

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