Brant Gaede Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Including my soap opera!--Brantso there! (no more room at the inn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoAMadDeathWish Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I'm just gonna leave this here:http://www.ncai.org/resources/ncai-publications/Ending_the_Legacy_of_Racism.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Does anyone other than myself happen to remember Rosalie Nichols? I don't know what became of her, but she was a full-blooded "Native American," a lesbian, and a libertarian (somewhat fond of Rand) who was very active in the California movement during the 1970s. After the murder of Harvey Milk in 1978, I went along with Roy Childs to a mass meeting held at a Baptist Church in San Francisco. The meeting was a protest against the "Twinkie Defense" that was successfully used by George Moscone to obtain a light sentence for the wanton murder of Milk. The rally featured a number of speakers from different political persuasions, and Roy had been ask to present the libertarian perspective on the problem.Roy gave an excellent talk, but his libertarianism made him very unpopular with the crowd, many of whom booed and jeered so loudly that I could barely hear at times. That hostile response was unexpected, and it rattled Roy. Immediately after he stepped off the stage, Rosalie came storming on and grabbed the microphone, and she tore the audience a new one for its rude treatment of Roy. Her opening was classic: "My name is Rosalie Nichols. I'm a Native American, a lesbian, and a radical feminist...." You could have heard a pin drop in the church after that. Rosalie's "credentials," for that crowd, were impeccable. 8-)I recall that, during the early 1970s, Rosalie self-published a critique of Ayn Rand's position on the land rights of Indians and their treatment by Europeans. It was good, as I recall, though I haven't seen a copy in decades. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 This "raise awareness" horseshit the way you are proposing is something for do-gooder people to pat themselves on the back with and complain about the world as they go home to their laps of luxury. Boo hoo. The world doesn't feel guilty like I do. The world is broken.At age 65, I find that my awareness is more difficult to raise than it used to be. I hear that's a common problem among older men.Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I'm just gonna leave this here:http://www.ncai.org/resources/ncai-publications/Ending_the_Legacy_of_Racism.pdfI looked at it.A term "harmful mascot" was used over and over, but I looked in vain for any specific harm. The best I could find, other than the word racism used over and over, was this: that a harmful mascot "diminishes the place, status, and humanity of contemporary Native citizens."How does it do that?Crickets chirping...In the same paragraph, there is this amazing comment: "What is true about many of the brand origin stories is that team owners during the birth of these brands hoped to gain financially from mocking Native identity."Team owners thought mocking Indians was a good money-making idea (instead of getting fans to, er... say... root for the team)? LOL...Whoever wrote that doesn't understand business or sports. Gonna have to do better than that to persuade anyone of anything.Just saying something doesn't make it true.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 This "raise awareness" horseshit the way you are proposing is something for do-gooder people to pat themselves on the back with and complain about the world as they go home to their laps of luxury. Boo hoo. The world doesn't feel guilty like I do. The world is broken.At age 65, I find that my awareness is more difficult to raise than it used to be. I hear that's a common problem among older men.GhsGeorge,At 62, I, too, find increasing shortcomings in my awareness, no matter how hard I try to erect it.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 There's always Viagra!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 George,At 62, I, too, find increasing shortcomings in my awareness, no matter how hard I try to erect it. MichaelIs that a deliberate pun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 This "raise awareness" horseshit the way you are proposing is something for do-gooder people to pat themselves on the back with and complain about the world as they go home to their laps of luxury. Boo hoo. The world doesn't feel guilty like I do. The world is broken.At age 65, I find that my awareness is more difficult to raise than it used to be. I hear that's a common problem among older men.GhsGeorge,At 62, I, too, find increasing shortcomings in my awareness, no matter how hard I try to erect it. MichaelI'm 70. WTF are you people talking about?--Homo Erectus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Does anyone other than myself happen to remember Rosalie Nichols? I don't know what became of her, but she was a full-blooded "Native American," a lesbian, and a libertarian (somewhat fond of Rand) who was very active in the California movement during the 1970s. After the murder of Harvey Milk in 1978, I went along with Roy Childs to a mass meeting held at a Baptist Church in San Francisco. The meeting was a protest against the "Twinkie Defense" that was successfully used by George Moscone to obtain a light sentence for the wanton murder of Milk. The rally featured a number of speakers from different political persuasions, and Roy had been ask to present the libertarian perspective on the problem.Roy gave an excellent talk, but his libertarianism made him very unpopular with the crowd, many of whom booed and jeered so loudly that I could barely hear at times. That hostile response was unexpected, and it rattled Roy. Immediately after he stepped off the stage, Rosalie came storming on and grabbed the microphone, and she tore the audience a new one for its rude treatment of Roy. Her opening was classic: "My name is Rosalie Nichols. I'm a Native American, a lesbian, and a radical feminist...." You could have heard a pin drop in the church after that. Rosalie's "credentials," for that crowd, were impeccable. 8-)I recall that, during the early 1970s, Rosalie self-published a critique of Ayn Rand's position on the land rights of Indians and their treatment by Europeans. It was good, as I recall, though I haven't seen a copy in decades. Ghs I'm sure I have a copy in a box somewhere. I probably won't be unearthing it until early next year.--Brantedit: nope, don't have it; I have "Confessions of a Randian Cultist" (somewhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrakusos Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 So, you admit that Jesus is Christ? You acknowledge that the rabbi Joshua ben Yusef was the Messiah? I always knew that all that physics babble was just a thin cloak, Bob... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 So, you admit that Jesus is Christ? You acknowledge that the rabbi Joshua ben Yusef was the Messiah? I always knew that all that physics babble was just a thin cloak, Bob... No. He was my cousin. Crazy Josh. All that crap about his mother being a virgin!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Opie & Anthony and Jim Norton weigh in on the Redskins name controversy and also send some luv to MSNBC. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Some of the backlash has started.The same folks who found Redskins offensive granted some very interesting trademarks.Hypocrisy, anyone?12 Trademarks Declared Less Offensive Than Redskins06/18/2014The Daily CallerFrom the article:Currently, federal trademark law does not allow the registration of any names that bring individuals or groups into contempt or disrepute. The PTO cited this rule in their decision regarding the Redskins’ name.Here are twelve other trademarked names that apparently didn't come up on anyone’s offense radar. You can go to the link to read the details about the different names, but here they are raw (the first is pending):Figgas over NiggasKraut KapDago SwaggCracka Azz SkateboardsYou Can’t Make A Housewife Out Of A WhoreBlanco BasuraHome Cookin Biscuit Head‘teensdoporn.com’Gypsy Soule Women Who Live By Their Own RulesMammy Jamia'sUppity NegroAll Natural My Dadz Nutz Carmelized Jumbo RedskinsThat's the world we live in. You can't make this stuff up.Gotta love the hypocrites.When a law is applied like that, let's get rid of those law enforcers. They are either incompetent or malicious and neither case serves. Better yet, let's get rid of that law.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The premise that hypocrisy and government don't mix is as flawed as the premise that the hypocrisy can be done away with. You can clean out the Augean stables but you can't stop the horses from shitting.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frediano Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 As Louis CK(of famed Catholic Church research)once pointed out, we knew that the 'Indians' were not 'Indians' within fifteen minutes of landing in America....but we still call them 'Indians.'"You guys aren't Indians? This isn't India?""No.""OK.. We're still going to call you Indians."In perfect world, the FoxWoods Tribe buys the Redskins and changes their name to "The Drunken Reservation Rats." Just for the pleasure of watching the apoplectic reaction of effete white liberal Ivy Leagers who are suddenly... in 2014....with their panties in a bunch decades after the Trail of Tears over the name that fat federal bureacrats dressed like hogs have been screaming out at trendy Geoergetown Bistros for decades, all part of AMericas version of 'The Hunger Games" played out in the CronyFest on the Potomac.Go 'rats! Hail to the Drunken Reservation Rats!...Free offensive name change by a federal government that has wiped it's butt on treaties for centuries for every march down a Trail of Tears; just wait long enough for the wailing to die down, they will get to it eventually.Naming a football team staffed by the descendants of former slaves 'Redskins' is offensive.Buying Manhattan for $24 worth of beads, not so much.The Giants should be renamed 'The Not F'n Midgets.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Now they are going after the Army's attack helicopters: Apache, Chinook, Black Hawk, Kiowa, Creek, Iroquois and Lakota. (See here for a recent news article.)Granted, the US Army was not the biggest fan of Indians in the 1800's, but I doubt it is trying to demean Indians by naming attack helicopters after major tribes and peoples.First football teams, now attack helicopters. When will this persecution of the oppressed in America stop?We need a new law or something... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 We need a new law or something... MichaelGot one...Congress shall not make any new laws, unless, and until they:1) balance the budget;2) reduce the deficit by at least twenty percent [20%] the first [1st] fiscal year of passage and an additional 20% each additional year until the deficit is zeroed out; and3) have repealed every Federal Stature and Eliminated every Department/Agency/Bureau and Office not specifically delegated by the enumerated powers in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.A...Post Script: And then they can go back to their freaking districts and telecommute and never darken that Shining City on the Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Ferrer Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 If the word "redskins" is, by nature, derogatory, racist or disparaging, why would the following Native American high schools choose "redskin" to represent their teams? (Source: http://cnsmaryland.org/interactives/redskins-map/index.html ) Redskins High Schools that areMajority Native AmericanRed Mesa High SchoolTeec Nos Pos, ArizonaAmerican Indian99.31%Wellpinit High SchoolWellpinit, WashingtonAmerican Indian91.21%Kingston High SchoolKingston, OklahomaAmerican Indian57.69%The law governing trademarks does not specifically disallow racism but prevents granting protection for a trademark that "may disparage" persons. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1052Now, as George Will has pointed out, if "redskin" is disparaging because it refers to a person's skin color, then so is the name of an entire state, Oklahoma, which "is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning 'people' and humma meaning 'red')." http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/Oklahoma/Oklahomanameorigin.htmlWhy not discontinue trademark protection for the Oklahoma State University Cowboys and the University of Oklahoma Sooners?And why is Nabisco allowed to use the word "Oreo" to sell cookies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Well demmit I'm a redskin!! I was out in the wind and sun toooooo long today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Well demmit I'm a redskin!! I was out in the wind and sun toooooo long today!We need some photos to confirm your status as a victim.--Brantgovernment benefits to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Sadly there is truth in that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 And you can sue something, or, someone for some such perceived injury.Just pick the deepest pockets and suffer.Going to a licensed state therapist would be strategically astute.Kinda certify your victimhood...Carry on...lolA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Poor Canada. So far from God; so close to the United States.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Here's a story I believe is pertinent to this discussion, even though public interest has waned a bit about the Redskins name.Isolated Amazonian Tribe Makes Contact With Scientists, Then the Inevitable Happensby Liz KlimasJul. 23, 2014TheBlazeFrom the article:Last month, an Amazonian tribe without prior exposure to the modern world made voluntary and peaceful contact with Brazilian scientists. Soon afterward though, it was clear members of the tribe suffered from the flu.Officials are now trying to take action and protect members of the Ashaninka tribe and other isolated tribes from a virus that could be deadly. This isn't speculation about something from the past. It is happening right now.That is reality.Flu doesn't make such a good story as a massacre. Diseases that Westerners bear without too much injury make for poor villains, so diseases are not too deeply embedded in the popular imagination re Indians. Such diseases do not excuse the past massacres from the "oppressive white man," but they exist. And they are deadly.They have been far more devastating to Indians in contact with Western cultures than any war.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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