The Ted Cruz Plan

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I'm glad Ted Cruz did what he did.

I am definitely a fan.

At the very worst, he is keeping this discussion at fever pitch in the mainstream.

We need more politicians like him, not just pragmatists.

I say, let the pragmatists follow in his wake and see what fish are left over they can scavenge. Winning the Presidency is not all it's cut up to be if we get another George Bush.

Cruz is right to make the differences bold. And he's right to mean it.

Michael

[moralist]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

[Selene]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

[Brant Gaede]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

While he may have to pay taxes he can do other things to avoid Abamacare such as medical tourism.

--Brant

[Selene]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

While he may have to pay taxes he can do other things to avoid Abamacare such as medical tourism.

--Brant

Brant:

It is a pnalty/fine as I understand it.

A...

[Brant Gaede]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

While he may have to pay taxes he can do other things to avoid Abamacare such as medical tourism.

--Brant

Brant:

It is a pnalty/fine as I understand it.

A...

Not according to Justice Roberts. And where are tax bills supposed to originate?

--Brant

[Selene]

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

While he may have to pay taxes he can do other things to avoid Abamacare such as medical tourism.

--Brant

Brant:

It is a pnalty/fine as I understand it.

A...

Not according to Justice Roberts. And where are tax bills supposed to originate?

--Brant

Brant:

Roberts re-wrote the statute.

Described it as a tax, yet it operates as a penalty/fine.

A...

[moralist]

In 2014, will there be any confusuon over who is behind this cluster fuck, and who tried to save America from it? THis latest high profile action in COngress makes it crystal clear who the perps are. They will either be taking big bows to widespread applause in 2014 for getting it right, or they will be run out of town on pikes.

My money is riding on the pikes...

And my approach to the whole healthcare issue is to choose not to participate. Instead of insurance, I choose to operate entirely outside of the system, and simply pay my own bills instead of expecting others to pay them.

What a truly novel idea!

Greg:

You will no longer be able to do that undet the Affordable Care Act.

You will have to pay an annual fine which I believe will become as much as the annual "insurance" cost within three (3) years.

A...

Pffft... I am not the least bit concerned. For the government answers to exactly the same higher moral law that I do.

The Bible says:

"For every temptation there is a way of escape."

and

"Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be as wary and wise as serpents, and be as innocent harmless, guileless, and without falsity as doves."

I have found these principles to hold true in my life by my own personal experience, as there are always ways to go around obstacles like water flows around a rock. Just one example of the kind of idiots which infest the government. An openly America hating radical mass murdering Muslim jihadist was actually promoted to the rank of Major.

"The bigger the bureaucracy... the bigger the cracks through which to fall."

--Greg

[Selene]

Pffft... I am not the least bit concerned. For the government answers to exactly the same higher moral law that I do.

The Bible says:

"For every temptation there is a way of escape."

and

"Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be as wary and wise as serpents, and be as innocent harmless, guileless, and without falsity as doves."

I have found these principles to hold true in my life by my own personal experience, as there are always subtle ways to go around obstacles like water flows around a rock. Just one example of the kind of idiots which infest the government. An openly America hating radical mass murdering Muslim jihadist was actually promoted to the rank of Major.

"The bigger the bureaucracy... the bigger the cracks through which to fall."

--Greg

Interesting.

The Sgt. Alvin C. York position.

Render what is Ceasar's to Ceasar and to God what is God's.

And the Quaker [sp?] position on military service.

A...

[moralist]

Pffft... I am not the least bit concerned. For the government answers to exactly the same higher moral law that I do.

The Bible says:

"For every temptation there is a way of escape."

and

"Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be as wary and wise as serpents, and be as innocent harmless, guileless, and without falsity as doves."

I have found these principles to hold true in my life by my own personal experience, as there are always subtle ways to go around obstacles like water flows around a rock. Just one example of the kind of idiots which infest the government. An openly America hating radical mass murdering Muslim jihadist was actually promoted to the rank of Major.

"The bigger the bureaucracy... the bigger the cracks through which to fall."

--Greg

Interesting.

The Sgt. Alvin C. York position.

Render what is Ceasar's to Ceasar and to God what is God's.

And the Quaker [sp?] position on military service.

A...

I'm a Vietnam Vet, so the answer is no on Quaker.

That's one down, nine to go... Kitty Carlisle?

[Selene]

Pffft... I am not the least bit concerned. For the government answers to exactly the same higher moral law that I do.

The Bible says:

"For every temptation there is a way of escape."

and

"Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be as wary and wise as serpents, and be as innocent harmless, guileless, and without falsity as doves."

I have found these principles to hold true in my life by my own personal experience, as there are always subtle ways to go around obstacles like water flows around a rock. Just one example of the kind of idiots which infest the government. An openly America hating radical mass murdering Muslim jihadist was actually promoted to the rank of Major.

"The bigger the bureaucracy... the bigger the cracks through which to fall."

--Greg

Interesting.

The Sgt. Alvin C. York position.

Render what is Ceasar's to Ceasar and to God what is God's.

And the Quaker [sp?] position on military service.

A...

I'm a Vietnam Vet, so the answer is no on Quaker.

That's one down, nine to go... Kitty Carlisle?

Thank you for your service Greg.

Brant is also a Vietnam Vet.

[Brant Gaede]

Roberts re-wrote the statute.

Described it as a tax, yet it operates as a penalty/fine.

A...

Which means? Nothing yet and maybe nothing at all.

--Brant

[Selene]

Roberts re-wrote the statute.

Described it as a tax, yet it operates as a penalty/fine.

A...

Which means? Nothing yet and maybe nothing at all.

--Brant

Trust me the IRS will be assessing those penalties...

[Selene]

Moving, brilliant and makes me proud...

RUSH INTRODUCTION: My father, Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr., delivered this oft-requested address locally a number of times, but it had never before appeared in print until it was published in The Limbaugh Letter. My dad was renowned for his oratory skills and for his original mind; this speech is, I think, a superb demonstration of both. I will always be grateful to him for instilling in me a passion for the ideas and lives of America's Founders, as well as a deep appreciation for the inspirational power of words, which you will see evidenced here:

"Our Lives, Our Fortunes, Our Sacred Honor"

It was a glorious morning. The sun was shining and the wind was from the Southeast. Up especially early, a tall bony, redheaded young Virginian found time to buy a new thermometer, for which he paid three pounds, fifteen shillings. He also bought gloves for Martha, his wife, who was ill at home.

Thomas Jefferson arrived early at the statehouse. The temperature was 72.5 degrees and the horseflies weren't nearly so bad at that hour. It was a lovely room, very large, with gleaming white walls. The chairs were comfortable. Facing the single door were two brass fireplaces, but they would not be used today.

The moment the door was shut, and it was always kept locked, the room became an oven. The tall windows were shut, so that loud quarreling voices could not be heard by passersby. Small openings atop the windows allowed a slight stir of air, and also a large number of horseflies. Jefferson records that "the horseflies were dexterous in finding necks, and the silk of stockings was nothing to them." All discussing was punctuated by the slap of hands on necks.

On the wall at the back, facing the president's desk, was a panoply -- consisting of a drum, swords, and banners seized from Fort Ticonderoga the previous year. Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold had captured the place, shouting that they were taking it "in the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress!"

Now Congress got to work, promptly taking up an emergency measure about which there was discussion but no dissension. "Resolved: That an application be made to the Committee of Safety of Pennsylvania for a supply of flints for the troops at New York."

Then Congress transformed itself into a committee of the whole. The Declaration of Independence was read aloud once more, and debate resumed. Though Jefferson was the best writer of all of them, he had been somewhat verbose. Congress hacked the excess away. They did a good job, as a side-by-side comparison of the rough draft and the final text shows. They cut the phrase "by a self-assumed power." "Climb" was replaced by "must read," then "must" was eliminated, then the whole sentence, and soon the whole paragraph was cut. Jefferson groaned as they continued what he later called "their depredations." "Inherent and inalienable rights" came out "certain unalienable rights," and to this day no one knows who suggested the elegant change.

A total of 86 alterations were made. Almost 500 words were eliminated, leaving 1,337. At last, after three days of wrangling, the document was put to a vote.

Here in this hall Patrick Henry had once thundered: "I am no longer a Virginian, sir, but an American." But today the loud, sometimes bitter argument stilled, and without fanfare the vote was taken from north to south by colonies, as was the custom. On July 4, 1776, the Declaration of Independence was adopted.

There were no trumpets blown. No one stood on his chair and cheered. The afternoon was waning and Congress had no thought of delaying the full calendar of routine business on its hands. For several hours they worked on many other problems before adjourning for the day.
Much To Lose

What kind of men were the 56 signers who adopted the Declaration of Independence and who, by their signing, committed an act of treason against the crown? To each of you, the names Franklin, Adams, Hancock and Jefferson are almost as familiar as household words.

Most of us, however, know nothing of the other signers. Who were they? What happened to them?

I imagine that many of you are somewhat surprised at the names not there: George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry. All were elsewhere.

Ben Franklin was the only really old man. Eighteen were under 40; three were in their 20s. Of the 56 almost half - 24 - were judges and lawyers. Eleven were merchants, nine were landowners and farmers, and the remaining 12 were doctors, ministers, and politicians.

With only a few exceptions, such as Samuel Adams of Massachusetts, these were men of substantial property. All but two had families. The vast majority were men of education and standing in their communities. They had economic security as few men had in the 18th Century.

Each had more to lose from revolution than he had to gain by it. John Hancock, one of the richest men in America, already had a price of 500 pounds on his head. He signed in enormous letters so that his Majesty could now read his name without glasses and could now double the reward. Ben Franklin wryly noted: "Indeed we must all hang together, otherwise we shall most assuredly hang separately."

Fat Benjamin Harrison of Virginia told tiny Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: "With me it will all be over in a minute, but you, you will be dancing on air an hour after I am gone."

These men knew what they risked. The penalty for treason was death by hanging. And remember, a great British fleet was already at anchor in New York Harbor.

They were sober men. There were no dreamy-eyed intellectuals or draft card burners here. They were far from hot-eyed fanatics yammering for an explosion. They simply asked for the status quo. It was change they resisted. It was equality with the mother country they desired. It was taxation with representation they sought. They were all conservatives, yet they rebelled.

It was principle, not property, that had brought these men to Philadelphia. Two of them became presidents of the United States. Seven of them became state governors. One died in office as vice president of the United States. Several would go on to be US Senators. One, the richest man in America, in 1828 founded the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. One, a delegate from Philadelphia, was the only real poet, musician and philosopher of the signers. (It was he, Francis Hopkinson not Betsy Ross who designed the United States flag.)

Richard Henry Lee, a delegate from Virginia, had introduced the resolution to adopt the Declaration of Independence in June of 1776. He was prophetic in his concluding remarks: "Why then sir, why do we longer delay? Why still deliberate? Let this happy day give birth to an American Republic. Let her arise not to devastate and to conquer but to reestablish the reign of peace and law.

"The eyes of Europe are fixed upon us. She demands of us a living example of freedom that may exhibit a contrast in the felicity of the citizen to the ever-increasing tyranny which desolates her polluted shores. She invites us to prepare an asylum where the unhappy may find solace, and the persecuted repost.

"If we are not this day wanting in our duty, the names of the American Legislatures of 1776 will be placed by posterity at the side of all of those whose memory has been and ever will be dear to virtuous men and good citizens."

Though the resolution was formally adopted July 4, it was not until July 8 that two of the states authorized their delegates to sign, and it was not until August 2 that the signers met at Philadelphia to actually put their names to the Declaration.

William Ellery, delegate from Rhode Island, was curious to see the signers' faces as they committed this supreme act of personal courage. He saw some men sign quickly, "but in no face was he able to discern real fear." Stephan Hopkins, Ellery's colleague from Rhode Island, was a man past 60. As he signed with a shaking pen, he declared: "My hand trembles, but my heart does not."
"Most Glorious Service"

Even before the list was published, the British marked down every member of Congress suspected of having put his name to treason. All of them became the objects of vicious manhunts. Some were taken. Some, like Jefferson, had narrow escapes. All who had property or families near British strongholds suffered.

· Francis Lewis, New York delegate saw his home plundered -- and his estates in what is now Harlem -- completely destroyed by British Soldiers. Mrs. Lewis was captured and treated with great brutality. Though she was later exchanged for two British prisoners through the efforts of Congress, she died from the effects of her abuse.

· William Floyd, another New York delegate, was able to escape with his wife and children across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, where they lived as refugees without income for seven years. When they came home they found a devastated ruin.

· Philips Livingstone had all his great holdings in New York confiscated and his family driven out of their home. Livingstone died in 1778 still working in Congress for the cause.

· Louis Morris, the fourth New York delegate, saw all his timber, crops, and livestock taken. For seven years he was barred from his home and family.

· John Hart of Trenton, New Jersey, risked his life to return home to see his dying wife. Hessian soldiers rode after him, and he escaped in the woods. While his wife lay on her deathbed, the soldiers ruined his farm and wrecked his homestead. Hart, 65, slept in caves and woods as he was hunted across the countryside. When at long last, emaciated by hardship, he was able to sneak home, he found his wife had already been buried, and his 13 children taken away. He never saw them again. He died a broken man in 1779, without ever finding his family.

· Dr. John Witherspoon, signer, was president of the College of New Jersey, later called Princeton. The British occupied the town of Princeton, and billeted troops in the college. They trampled and burned the finest college library in the country.

· Judge Richard Stockton, another New Jersey delegate signer, had rushed back to his estate in an effort to evacuate his wife and children. The family found refuge with friends, but a Tory sympathizer betrayed them. Judge Stockton was pulled from bed in the night and brutally beaten by the arresting soldiers. Thrown into a common jail, he was deliberately starved. Congress finally arranged for Stockton's parole, but his health was ruined. The judge was released as an invalid, when he could no longer harm the British cause.
He returned home to find his estate looted and did not live to see the triumph of the Revolution. His family was forced to live off charity.

· Robert Morris, merchant prince of Philadelphia, delegate and signer, met Washington's appeals and pleas for money year after year. He made and raised arms and provisions which made it possible for Washington to cross the Delaware at Trenton. In the process he lost 150 ships at sea, bleeding his own fortune and credit almost dry.

· George Clymer, Pennsylvania signer, escaped with his family from their home, but their property was completely destroyed by the British in the Germantown and Brandywine campaigns.

· Dr. Benjamin Rush, also from Pennsylvania, was forced to flee to Maryland. As a heroic surgeon with the army, Rush had several narrow escapes.

· John Martin, a Tory in his views previous to the debate, lived in a strongly loyalist area of Pennsylvania. When he came out for independence, most of his neighbors and even some of his relatives ostracized him. He was a sensitive and troubled man, and many believed this action killed him. When he died in 1777, his last words to his tormentors were: "Tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall acknowledge it [the signing] to have been the most glorious service that I have ever rendered to my country."

· William Ellery, Rhode Island delegate, saw his property and home burned to the ground.

· Thomas Lynch, Jr., South Carolina delegate, had his health broken from privation and exposures while serving as a company commander in the military. His doctors ordered him to seek a cure in the West Indies and on the voyage, he and his young bride were drowned at sea.

· Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., the other three South Carolina signers, were taken by the British in the siege of Charleston. They were carried as prisoners of war to St. Augustine, Florida, where they were singled out for indignities. They were exchanged at the end of the war, the British in the meantime having completely devastated their large landholdings and estates.

· Thomas Nelson, signer of Virginia, was at the front in command of the Virginia military forces. With British General Charles Cornwallis in Yorktown, fire from 70 heavy American guns began to destroy Yorktown piece by piece. Lord Cornwallis and his staff moved their headquarters into Nelson's palatial home. While American cannonballs were making a shambles of the town, the house of Governor Nelson remained untouched. Nelson turned in rage to the American gunners and asked, "Why do you spare my home?"

They replied, "Sir, out of respect to you." Nelson cried, "Give me the cannon!" and fired on his magnificent home himself, smashing it to bits. But Nelson's sacrifice was not quite over. He had raised $2 million for the Revolutionary cause by pledging his own estates. When the loans came due, a newer peacetime Congress refused to honor them, and Nelson's property was forfeited. He was never reimbursed. He died, impoverished, a few years later at the age of 50.

Lives, Fortunes, Honor

Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds or hardships during the war. Five were captured and imprisoned, in each case with brutal treatment. Several lost wives, sons or entire families. One lost his 13 children. Two wives were brutally treated. All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and driven from their homes. Twelve signers had their homes completely burned. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Yet not one defected or went back on his pledged word. Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create is still intact.

And, finally, there is the New Jersey signer, Abraham Clark.

He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to that infamous British prison hulk afloat in New York Harbor known as the hell ship Jersey, where 11,000 American captives were to die. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father. One was put in solitary and given no food. With the end almost in sight, with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons' lives if he would recant and come out for the King and Parliament. The utter despair in this man's heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each one of us down through 200 years with his answer: "No."

The 56 signers of the Declaration Of Independence proved by their every deed that they made no idle boast when they composed the most magnificent curtain line in history. "And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

RUSH EPILOGUE: My friends, I know you have a copy of the Declaration of Independence somewhere around the house - in an old history book (newer ones may well omit it), an encyclopedia, or one of those artificially aged "parchments" we all got in school years ago. I suggest that each of you take the time this month to read through the text of the Declaration, one of the most noble and beautiful political documents in human history.

There is no more profound sentence than this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness..."

These are far more than mere poetic words. The underlying ideas that infuse every sentence of this treatise have sustained this nation for more than two centuries. They were forged in the crucible of great sacrifice. They are living words that spring from and satisfy the deepest cries for liberty in the human spirit.

"Sacred honor" isn't a phrase we use much these days, but every American life is touched by the bounty of this, the Founders' legacy. It is freedom, tested by blood, and watered with tears.

[moralist]

I'm glad Ted Cruz did what he did.

I am definitely a fan.

I am too!

Cruz has balls... and Reid has ovaries.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

I'm glad Ted Cruz did what he did.

I am definitely a fan.

I am too!

Cruz has balls... and Reid has ovaries.

Greg

You forgot to mention Reid's man-tits.

[Peter]

Ba’al wrote:

You forgot to mention Reid's man-tits.

end quote

That gross-osity reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer invents a bra for gorilla like, chunky men and calls it “The Bro.”

Okay, today is the first day of October and the first day individual portions of the Affordable Care Act are implemented. I have yet to read the thousands of pages of Obamacare or heard of anyone who has read the whole thing or enrolled or tried to enroll but is just around noon and the Guv’mint shutdown has begun, so that became the lead story. I know there is a separation, though the PO is empowered in the US Constitution but will the Post Office be affected? Maybe I will still get my mail if I tip the delivery women.

Ah, the noon news is just reporting that there are glitches right off the bat with the health “exchanges.”

Peter

[moralist]

Ah, the noon news is just reporting that there are glitches right off the bat with the health “exchanges.”

Peter

The events unfolding right now are the consequences of the moochers feeling entitled to someone else to paying their bills. So simply stand aside at a safe distance and let them choke on their own creation.

[Brant Gaede]

October is going to be an interesting month. Remember when Obama said, "I won"? Remember how the ACA was stuffed down our throats? Now the whole government is choking up.

--Brant

[dldelancey]

Ba’al wrote:

You forgot to mention Reid's man-tits.

end quote

That gross-osity reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer invents a bra for gorilla like, chunky men and calls it “The Bro.”

Okay, today is the first day of October and the first day individual portions of the Affordable Care Act are implemented. I have yet to read the thousands of pages of Obamacare or heard of anyone who has read the whole thing or enrolled or tried to enroll but is just around noon and the Guv’mint shutdown has begun, so that became the lead story. I know there is a separation, though the PO is empowered in the US Constitution but will the Post Office be affected? Maybe I will still get my mail if I tip the delivery women.

Ah, the noon news is just reporting that there are glitches right off the bat with the health “exchanges.”

Peter

The post office is self-funded so it is not affected. (I use the term self-funded a bit loosely as I think there's some federally backed "loans" involved in there somewhere that gives me pause although I don't know the details.)

[moralist]

Ba’al wrote:

You forgot to mention Reid's man-tits.

end quote

That gross-osity reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer invents a bra for gorilla like, chunky men and calls it “The Bro.”

Okay, today is the first day of October and the first day individual portions of the Affordable Care Act are implemented. I have yet to read the thousands of pages of Obamacare or heard of anyone who has read the whole thing or enrolled or tried to enroll but is just around noon and the Guv’mint shutdown has begun, so that became the lead story. I know there is a separation, though the PO is empowered in the US Constitution but will the Post Office be affected? Maybe I will still get my mail if I tip the delivery women.

Ah, the noon news is just reporting that there are glitches right off the bat with the health “exchanges.”

Peter

The post office is self-funded so it is not affected. (I use the term self-funded a bit loosely as I think there's some federally backed "loans" involved in there somewhere that gives me pause although I don't know the details.)

One disadvantage of the USPS is that it's pension and healthcare obligations are 65% of it's operating budget,

while in contrast UPS pension and healthcare obligations are 37%.

[Brant Gaede]

Ba’al wrote:

You forgot to mention Reid's man-tits.

end quote

That gross-osity reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer invents a bra for gorilla like, chunky men and calls it “The Bro.”

Okay, today is the first day of October and the first day individual portions of the Affordable Care Act are implemented. I have yet to read the thousands of pages of Obamacare or heard of anyone who has read the whole thing or enrolled or tried to enroll but is just around noon and the Guv’mint shutdown has begun, so that became the lead story. I know there is a separation, though the PO is empowered in the US Constitution but will the Post Office be affected? Maybe I will still get my mail if I tip the delivery women.

Ah, the noon news is just reporting that there are glitches right off the bat with the health “exchanges.”

Peter

The post office is self-funded so it is not affected. (I use the term self-funded a bit loosely as I think there's some federally backed "loans" involved in there somewhere that gives me pause although I don't know the details.)

One disadvantage of the USPS is that it's pension and healthcare obligations are 65% of it's operating budget,

while in contrast UPS pension and healthcare obligations are 37%.

This means Congress will eventually split those obligations off the USPS.

--Brant

and not only for the (dying) USPS

[Selene]

This means Congress will eventually split those obligations off the USPS.

--Brant

and not only for the (dying) USPS

Yes.

However, it will take a Constitutional Amendment since that is a primary Article I, express power.

A...