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EGYPTIAN MILITARY OUSTS MORSI, SUSPENDS CONSTITUTION

That one speaks for itself.

Here's a little passion from MEMRI TV to show why:

Man, we need some of that over here in the USA...

Michael

Hysteria?

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This lunatic is a rabble-rouser. Too bad he isn't a thinker. Every now and then in life you need to think. He has a hazy idea about what's wrong with the current gov't; but not a clue about what would be right.

Some people in Eqypt like Morsi, some don't. Some like the Islamic Brotherhood, some don't. But everyone there likes democratic tyranny. Everybody favors majority-vote slavery, with all their heart and all their soul.

And the politically idiotic and depraved population of America is virtually identical. Maybe 1% here seriously understand the difference between freedom and democracy. Why majority-vote enslavement is morally and politically wrong is an utter mystery to 99% of the peoples and intellectuals of America.

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I was merely daydreaming about that guy ranting about Obama instead of Morsi.

It felt good.

:smile:

Michael

There, there Michael, you will be rid of Obama in a couple of short years. I could be stuck with Stephen Harper for the rest of my natural life, but do I complain?

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What a completely ignorant and disconnected President...

It reminds me of how outclassed we now are on the world stage.

For example, Hillary Rodham Rodham Clinton, the "smartest woman in the world," stated that Vladamir Putin has no soul.

Putin, cleverly retorted, "Well, at least I have a brain!"

Look at what we send out into the world...Hillary Clinton, John Kerry [who served in Vietnam], Susan Rice and an amalgam of marxist/Alinsky clones.

Sad...we have absolutely no credibility on the world stage.

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Here are some comments from Glenn Beck and Buck Sexton right before Morsi was removed. These guys give an interesting perspective to what might happen--at least what to be on the look out for.

For those who like to criticize Glenn sight unseen, here's an explanation (if you are interested). When he says at the end, "This will happen..." it's within the context of him already having asked Buck several times, as he speculates, "Correct me if I'm wrong..." So it's a rhetorical form of saying "if this, then that." But the rhetoric leaves out the "if this" part and only implies it.

In other words, Glenn is not saying his prediction will happen in some contextless future with 100% no chance of not happening. In fact, he hopes it will not. Conceptually, not rhetorically, he is saying if things keep going as they are, mostly likely worse thugs will come to power.

Michael

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Those goddamned Jihadi fanatic bastards in Egypt are not going down without a fight and without spilling more blood. I am now convinced that the god which they worship is a human hating demon. They are Amalekites. And its our (Jewish) fault in a way. Back when Moshe lead our ancestors out of Egypt we had our chance to kill them all in the wilderness and we blew it. Damn!

Ba'al Chatzaf

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Ba'al Chatzaf

Those goddamned Jihadi fanatic bastards in Egypt are not going down without a fight and without spilling more blood. I am now convinced that the god which they worship is a human hating demon. They are Amalekites. And its our (Jewish) fault in a way. Back when Moshe lead our ancestors out of Egypt we had our chance to kill them all in the wilderness and we blew it. Damn!

Serves you right for cavorting around that golden calf.

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Ba'al Chatzaf

Those goddamned Jihadi fanatic bastards in Egypt are not going down without a fight and without spilling more blood. I am now convinced that the god which they worship is a human hating demon. They are Amalekites. And its our (Jewish) fault in a way. Back when Moshe lead our ancestors out of Egypt we had our chance to kill them all in the wilderness and we blew it. Damn!

Serves you right for cavorting around that golden calf.

Absolutely. If the Israelites under Aaron had not made themselves a golden calf god, Moses would have brought down the fifteen commandment (which were on the first set of tablets). Moses got so pissed he broke up the three tablets of the law and had a hissy fit.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3841/egypt-revolutions

The Problem at the Heart of Egypt's Revolutions, by Nonie Darwish.

This latest revolution in Egypt, the second in the last two years, is a symptom of a deep-rooted problem at the heart of Islam itself: Egypt is on the verge of a civil war to bring a resolution to the never-ending tension between what Islam demands versus what the people really want.

This is the central problem in most Muslim countries: the difficult choice between a civilian, military "infidel" government, and a totalitarian Islamic theocracy. The problem is compounded when most Egyptians consider themselves both Muslim and lovers of democracy, but refuse to see that Islam and freedom cannot co-exist. How can Islam anywhere produce a democracy when freedom of speech and religion are outlawed, where there is no free and independent judiciary, and equal rights for women, minorities and non-Muslims are legally suppressed?

Islam also cannot let go of government control: since its inception, Islam has lacked the confidence in its own survival without government enforcement. As Muslim Brotherhood leader Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi stated this winter on Egyptian television, "without the 'Death for Apostasy' laws, apostasy laws, Islam would have failed with the death of Mohamed, as people would never stay in this religion otherwise." It is no coincidence therefore that Islamic law dictates that all Muslims must be ruled by Sharia, and declares that all secular governments, made by man, not by Allah, are heresy and an abomination.

While mosques are busy teaching Muslims how to carry out jihad, hate Jews and mistreat Christians, their imams allocate no time to preach the values of peace and trust as a foundation for an orderly society or civilization. As a result of such an Islamic education, Muslims who know they want freedom are unable to build the value system on which to achieve it.

Egypt's dilemma is nothing new, but the good news today is that finally there is an awakening in Egypt regarding the tyranny that Sharia law brings, especially if it is made the basis of a constitution. Despite this awakening, however, not one rebel in Tahrir Square was able openly to carry a sign saying, "Sharia must become null and void." The majority of Egyptians still believe that to say that would be an act of apostasy, punishable by death.

All current surveys still show that the overwhelming majority of Egyptians still support Sharia law, or at least say they do. This is where the problem lies: the laws of a society are the mirror of its morality. Egyptians cannot make believe that they can have both Sharia and freedom, or that their laws do not have to match their style of government and what they can feel comfortable with. According to Sharia, a Muslim head of state must rule by Islamic law, and must preserve Islam in its original form, or he must be removed from office. Islamic law leaves no choice for any Muslim leader but to accept, at least officially, that Sharia is the law of the land, or else be ousted from office. Sharia also commands Muslims to remove any leader who is not a Muslim. Because of that command, Muslim leaders must play a game of appearing Islamic and anti-West while trying to get along with the rest of the world. It is a game with life and death consequences for them.

That stricture is the reason many Egyptians today agree to keep Sharia in the constitution, even if only symbolically. But how can Egyptians be so naïve to believe they can ignore the laws of their constitution? As long as Sharia is on the books, even if it is ignored, the country can never have true stability and freedom. Even with revolutions, Egyptians can only achieve cosmetic changes with no substance; changes such as, the name of the country, its flag, national anthem, or even putting on or taking off women's hijabs.

Although Egyptians were always exuberant about the removal of a regime or a dictator, they never were about a change in the religious, cultural and moral foundations of the country. Whether it is the Egyptian revolution of 1919, 1952 or 2011, the change achieved has always been superficial, or for the worse. Somehow whenever the Muslim mind comes to the underlying religious ideology that is the foundation upon which its systems are erected, it freezes.

The result is a majority of confused citizens whose trust is shattered; moral standards in conflict, and laws and the concept of reality distorted. But how long can this warped existence last undetected? So far it has succeeded for 1,400 years without collapsing, but can this latest revolution be the crack in the stranglehold of Sharia?

Egyptian secularists have achieved a great step against the Muslim Brotherhood, but will they be able to sustain it? The Muslim Brotherhood has powerful roots in the Egyptian psyche, and the Brotherhood has vowed a bloodbath against any secular government.

For any secular government to remain in power, it needs to turn tyrannical and put in jail members of the Muslim Brotherhood. This has already begun; arrest warrants against leaders and 300 members of the Brotherhood were issued within hours of the removal of Morsi.

Egypt is now back to square one; a military dictatorship is, for the moment at least, the only solution that can preserve and sustain a certain level of secularism in the face of the constant Islamic assault that human rights, freedom of religion and democracy. The assault has also been on the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which, on August 5, 1990, was repudiated and superseded by the Organization of Islamic Conference [OIC] in favor of the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, which, in article 24, in its entirety, concludes that "All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah." Article 19(d) also posits that, "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Shari'ah."

One can only hope that this military dictatorship will not be like others, which promise elections and freedom, but remain as autocracies for decades.

Nonie Darwish is the author of "The Devil We Don't Know".

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The above article represents a kind of mindset I do not share, even as I sympathize with some of Darwish's plights and what she has seen with her own eyes.

(I certainly do not share her Evangelical Christian position, which would replace Islam with Christianity as the One True Way.)

Besides, the more I discuss things on the fringe of bigotry, the more I dislike the personification of complex matters.

Statements like the following from Darwish give me the creeps: "Islam also cannot let go of government control: since its inception, Islam has lacked the confidence in its own survival without government enforcement."

Islam is not a human being. It cannot feel confidence or insecurity. Nor can it act.

This is a propaganda method of distorting language metaphorically to oversimplify a scapegoat and laser-target hatred on it.

I don't use this epistemology on purpose (in addition to it being the equivalent of turning your critical faculty in your mind off). It makes you vulnerable to crowd control. In fact, I studied it--and expose it at times--in order to protect myself from propagandistic manipulation.

Michael

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Devout Muslims feel that God Himself has charged them with the duty to take charge.

The problem with Muslims is Islam. Otherwise they are perfectly alright.

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Why do those damn Egyptians not listen to the Ones who KnowBest? Like those dang colonists back then - cutting off their commercial noses to spite their face , if they lost-- run into a heap of trouble after they won their dang \Revolution!

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Islam is not a human being. It cannot feel confidence or insecurity. Nor can it act.

This is a propaganda method of distorting language metaphorically to oversimplify a scapegoat and laser-target hatred on it.

That's if she means what you're portraying her to mean. When she uses "Islam" there, it's clear that she means in a general sense, which is perfectly possible and legitimate to do, and there's no bigotry or propaganda in it. You constantly say things are being oversimplified. Since distorting language is a bugbear for you (rightly so), what's the difference between simplifying and oversimplifying? How has she gone past simplification and into over simplification? What's actually wrong with simplifying, or generalising as Nonie does where its needed? Should she be complicating things rather than simplifying them? The oversimplification charge is thrown out constantly, but it's never elaborated on. Is there something she says in her article about Islam and what it wreaks on its followers, and non-followers, that is actually untrue? That's what is truly important here I think.

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I.,

You are under a wrong impression.

I will not discuss this with you because I have concluded you are irrational--a true believer. And further, you are intent on spreading hatred among those who do not hate. In other words, you are basically the same thing you hate. Same substance, different flavor, that's all.

I allow some of your garbage through for the benefit of OL readers. It serves as a good example of a certain kind of anti-conceptual mind. A case-study if you will.

Your thousand-and-one questions are not true questions in search of information or clarification, but instead propaganda rhetoric. If a rational person acting in goodwill asked them of me, I would have no problem addressing them.

But not coming from you.

You don't have to post here. If you stopped, that would be fine with me.

But if you continue, be advised I will let through what I wish at my pleasure. Moreover, it will be for the purpose of showing an example of a corrupted epistemology and propaganda.

I don't hate you, but I don't have patience for your mind games. And I don't believe there is much chance you will become rational. Maybe... I won't say never. One can hope. But reality is what it is, too.

Michael

EDIT: To OL readers, especially those more recently aboard. Please don't take my comments and actions on this thread as the normal way things are done on OL. This isn't normal at all. There is a lot of history behind this crap. Also, it takes a hell of a lot for me to outright ban someone. This dude ain't banned.

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