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People think I'm crazy because I eat real food (tomatoes, lettuce, bok choy, suey choy, broccoli, beets, gai lan, nuts, salmon, berries, potatoes, bananas, etc etc; within reasonable food combining rules). I guess normal, sane, rational people eat the stuff listed below.

Dr. Alan Goldhamer (who supervised 7,000+ fasts) said in a video that during a fast your mouth is supposed to taste like something crawled in it and died. Why doesn't this happen to me?

The reason for this and other symptoms is the body is getting rid of crap. But I don't eat crap. Maybe that's why I don't get symptoms during a fast.

I don't read labels much. Anything that has a label or needs a label is probably crap. If a list of ingredients is long, it has crap in it.

http://jessfastfood.tripod.com/fastfoodnutritionfacts/id25.html



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Here you will discover the ingredients in McDonald's most popular foods:



Beef Patty: (Regular hamburgers, Quarter Pounders, Big Macs) 100% pure USDA domestic beef, no additives, no fillers, no extenders.


Crispy Chicken Breast Filet: Boneless skinless chicken breast filet with rib meat containing up to 19.5% of a solution of water, seasoning (salt, spices and spice extractive), sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with wheat flour, water, modified corn starch, salt, spice, dried egg white, wheat gluten, and leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate). Breading set in vegetable oil.


Fish Filet Patty: Pollock, bleached wheat flour, water, modified corn starch, yellow corn flour, dextrose, salt, yeast, cellulose gum, natural flavoring, and sodium tripolyphosphate (to retain moisture).

Grilled Chicken Breast Filet: Boneless skinless chicken breast with rib meat, water, seasoning [salt, flavor, rice starch, sugar chicken flavor (contains butter oil, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, chicken fat, egg yolk, bonito fish extract), autolyzed yeast extract, maltodextrin, chicken broth, lactic acid, citric acid and cultured whey], corn syrup solids, modified rich starch, sodium phosphates, seasoning (flavor, processed wheat, salt, wheat flour, dextrose, sugar), chicken flavor (contains wheat starch), hydrolyzed proteins (soy, corn), smoke flavor, caramel color


Pasteurized Process American Cheese (1 slice): American Cheese (Milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes), milkfat, water, sodium citrate, sodium aluminum phosphate (kasal), salt, sodium phosphate, sorbic acid as a preservative, artificial color, soy lecithin.


Processed Cheddar Cheese (shredded): Cheddar cheese, enzyme modified cheddar cheese (milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes), water, lactic acid, enzymes, milkfat, sodium citrate, kasal, salt, sodium phosphate, sorbic acid (preservative), apocarotenal (color).


Regular & Quarter Pounder Buns: Wheat flour (bleached and enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean, corn, canola, and/or cottonseed). Contains 2% or less of salt, wheat gluten, oat fiber, malted barley flour, mono- and diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid, calcium sulfate, ammounium chloride, monocalcium phosphate, ascorbic acid, azodicarbomide, corn flour, soy flour, potato flour, calcium peroxide, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and diglycerides, silicon dioxide, sodium steryol 2 lactylate, fungal enzymes, emulsifiers, sodium or calcium propionate (as a preservative), sesame seeds on the Quarter Pounder Bun.


Deluxe Roll: Wheat flour (bleached and enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron, folic acid, malted barley flour), water, high fructose corn syrup, potato flakes, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean), wheat gluten, yeast. Contains 2% or less of salt, emulsifier, dough conditioner (mono- and diglycerides, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate), yeast nutrients (ascorbic acid, azodicarbomide), calcium propionate (as a preservative), natural and artificial flavors, phosphoric acid, propionic acid, fungal enzymes, xantham gum, soy flour, buttermilk solids, sesame seed.


Big Mac Buns: Wheat flour (bleached and enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean, corn, canola, and/or cottonseed). Contains 2% or less of salt, wheat gluten, malted barley flour, mono- and diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid, calcium sulfate, ammounium chloride, monocalcium phosphate, ascorbic acid, azodicarbomide, corn flour, soy flour, potato flour, calcium peroxide, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and diglycerides, silicon dioxide, sodium steryol 2 lactylate, fungal enzymes, emulsifiers, sodium or calcium propionate (as a preservative), sesame seeds.


French Fries: Potatoes, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural flavor, dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (to preserve natural color). Cooked in partially hydrogenated soybean and corn oils, TBHQ (to protect flavor), citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane and natural flavor.


Chicken Nuggets: Chicken, marinated up to 8% with a solution of water, chicken seasoning (chicken, wheat starch, salt, butter oil, chicken fat, beef extract, vegetable shortening, roasted sesame seed oil, silicon dioxide (anticaking agent), bonito extract, thiamine hydrochloride), salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with water, bleached wheat flour (enriched with niacin, iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin), yellow corn flour, wheat flour, modified corn starch, salt, leavening (baking soda, sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate, calcium lactate), spices, dried whey, wheat starch, corn starch. Cooked in partially hydrogenated soybean and corn oils, TBHQ (to protect flavor), citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane.

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jts: I eat real food (tomatoes, lettuce, bok choy, suey choy, broccoli, beets, gai lan, nuts, salmon, berries, potatoes, bananas, etc etc; within reasonable food combining rules). I guess normal, sane, rational people eat the stuff listed below.

I do not eat lettuce. I never, ever eat iceberg lettuce. I will eat "wilder" varieties (romaine, etc) if I am stuck with lesser choices, such as being at a business luncheon, but generally, lettuce is just cellulose and water and not much nutrition. I also do not eat potatoes - again, I can get socially trapped. When I do, I start with the skins and leave the starch. With fried fish and fried chicken, I pull off the wallpaper paste and just eat the fish or chicken.

To me, the primary reason to eat food is to provide an uptake vehicle for mega-vitamins. I never eat fruit without taking at least a half gram of vitamin c. Again, in social contexts, I will take the C with "salad" or vegetables.

I do not mix fruits with other foods.

I do mix vegetables and meats, but usually eat them separately, also.

I could go on.... we all have our preferences, our beliefs, and our favorite studies. I understand an appreciate the value in fasting. I do not do it. I do not eat much as it is. I do not enjoy food, either as recreation or as "love." There are days when I am busy and have no time to stop, that I do not eat until 3:00 PM.

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Dr. Alan Goldhamer (who supervised 7,000+ fasts) said in a video that during a fast your mouth is supposed to taste like something crawled in it and died. Why doesn't this happen to me?

How long are the fasts supposed to be? I'm interested to try it myself.

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People think I'm crazy because I eat real food (tomatoes, lettuce, bok choy, suey choy, broccoli, beets, gai lan, nuts, salmon, berries, potatoes, bananas, etc etc; within reasonable food combining rules). <...>

Dr. Alan Goldhamer (who supervised 7,000+ fasts) said in a video that during a fast your mouth is supposed to taste like something crawled in it and died. Why doesn't this happen to me?

Do you fast regularly? But if you already eat such a healthy diet, is there still a need to 'purify' your bodily system through fasting?

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Dr. Alan Goldhamer (who supervised 7,000+ fasts) said in a video that during a fast your mouth is supposed to taste like something crawled in it and died. Why doesn't this happen to me?

How long are the fasts supposed to be? I'm interested to try it myself.

My first fast was for 3 days. I had 2 quarts of water daily.

You might want to start with this first.

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Dr. Alan Goldhamer (who supervised 7,000+ fasts) said in a video that during a fast your mouth is supposed to taste like something crawled in it and died. Why doesn't this happen to me?

How long are the fasts supposed to be? I'm interested to try it myself.

Why would you want to fast? For fun? Well maybe there is a valid reason.

Fasting experts (doctors who have experience supervising thousands of fasts) will tell you that you should not fast more than 3 days or whatever number of days without supervision. The reason why (according to Dr. Goldhamer) is when you experience symptoms, it takes an expert to know whether the symptoms are a proper healing process or a real problem. Also for some people fasting might be contraindicated. For example diabetics might have a problem with fasting, or not. Type 1 diabetics are not permitted to fast. People with a history of drugs might be at risk during a fast, or not. Dr. Shelton watched people 60 years of age and older more closely because sometimes they have hidden weaknesses that show up during a fast. Some few people might not have the nutritional reserves to withstand a long fast; for example Dr. Moser had a case where a guy started showing mineral deficiency after only ten days.

Before doing any serious fasting, you probably should learn as much as you can about fasting from Dr. Shelton's books about fasting and Dr. Goldhamer's videos about fasting.

These sources will get you off to a good start on the subject of fasting.

ttp://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm

http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/FastingUC/

Google Videos: alan goldhamer fasting -- whole bunch of videos

If you are doing it on your own, not with supervision, you probably should start with a few short fasts, as a precaution; then later maybe longer fasts. There are some things about fasting you need to learn by experience and can't learn from books and videos; I mean how your own individual body reacts to a fast.

How long, you ask. If you do it Shelton's way, you don't eat again until the return of hunger. That is supposed to take about 40 days. That seems to be the standard length fast in the Bible. That is called a 'complete' fast. Dr. Goldhamer has his patients fast the shortest time to solve the health problem and seldom more than 40 days.

A series of short fasts does not produce the same result as a long fast. Maybe some day I will learn why.

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Do you fast regularly? But if you already eat such a healthy diet, is there still a need to 'purify' your bodily system through fasting?

No, I don't fast regularly. I don't like fasting. It's only once in a blue moon that I fast. But I seem to have no choice because it seems to be the only way to get rid of the %$#@! spinal cord tumor. I guess it has to be a fast of major length. I did a series of short fasts (6-8 days), hoping that they would equal a longer fast, but that didn't work, apart from I got more accustomed to fasting. My longest fast was only 22 days, not long enough.

Who says my diet is healthy? Ayn Rand called it grass.

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Why would you want to fast? For fun? Well maybe there is a valid reason.

I've been hearing so many great things about it lately that I figured it might help somehow with the weight loss process.

I'm currently on a plant based diet but haven't really seen the changes I expected after cutting out all animal protein, I might just have to get more strict about it, maybe cut out more foods.

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Welcome to OL:

Here is an idea that we use here at our place. A "juice" fast. Vegetables and fruits go into the juicer in the morning and I have no desire to eat but once more that day.

All fresh produce, e.g., beets, kale, apples etc.

Really works well cleansing your body and getting excellent nutrition at the same time. Excellent energy and the weight, if that is your goal literally melts away.

I'm thin so maintaining my weight is important.

A...

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Why would you want to fast? For fun? Well maybe there is a valid reason.

I've been hearing so many great things about it lately that I figured it might help somehow with the weight loss process.

I'm currently on a plant based diet but haven't really seen the changes I expected after cutting out all animal protein, I might just have to get more strict about it, maybe cut out more foods.

Fasting, of course, causes weight loss. How could it not? Nobody is an exception to physics, altho Dr. Alan Goldhamer says some people think they are. But the weight loss tends to be temporary, and simply fasting is not the answer.

Fasting can be used as a means of transition from the old way to the new way. By that I mean it tends to help break addictions, sometimes even food addictions. In this way fasting can be used as a means of transition from a bad diet to a good diet.

Get a load of fake obesity experts vs vegsource doctors. Warning: vegan propaganda. I'm sure there are lean non-vegans.

These guys are on the 80-10-10 trip. That's 80 carb, 10 protein, 10 fat. But each has his own variation on this trip.

Dr. McDougall: is on the starch trip; potatoes, rice, etc. He goes on and on about starch. He says potatoes are the perfect food.

Dr. Fuhrman: is on the nutrient density trip. Health = nutrients / calories. He says animal source foods are low in nutrient density. By 'nutrients' he includes phytochemicals, which he says are low in animal source foods and are more important than vitamins and minerals.

Dr. Alan Goldhamer: is the fasting specialist. He talks about 'the pleasure trap'. That means you are supposed to avoid salt, oil, dairy, sugar, flour. I know a few other items that could be added to the list.

There are a few minor disagreements among these doctors but:

* The patients of all 3 get well.

* All 3 are lean.

* Dr. McDougall says focus on their agreements.

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A physician mentioned to me that fasting gives the digestive system a needed rest.

Sounds logical to me.

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A physician mentioned to me that fasting gives the digestive system a needed rest.

Sounds logical to me.

Most OL members by now can guess who wrote this:

How foolish to insist on feeding under conditions of an already existing plethora! Why insist on "plenty of good nourishing food" under conditions in which food cannot be digested and assimilated? Nature knows full well how to guard and protect and this is the meaning of the lack of desire for food, nausea, vomiting, distress after eating and other symptoms of protest. When digestion has been pushed and "stimulants" and drugs have been given for the purpose of forcing a reluctant appetite, we only add more burden to an already overtaxed organism. Fasting may here be used to best advantage.

If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

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If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

Jerry:

I am an OLer who does not know who wrote it the bold quote supra...

2nd, I do not believe your stomach paradigm works for Bulimia and Anorexia, the nervosa twins...correct?

A...

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A physician mentioned to me that fasting gives the digestive system a needed rest.

Sounds logical to me.

Most OL members by now can guess who wrote this:

How foolish to insist on feeding under conditions of an already existing plethora! Why insist on "plenty of good nourishing food" under conditions in which food cannot be digested and assimilated? Nature knows full well how to guard and protect and this is the meaning of the lack of desire for food, nausea, vomiting, distress after eating and other symptoms of protest. When digestion has been pushed and "stimulants" and drugs have been given for the purpose of forcing a reluctant appetite, we only add more burden to an already overtaxed organism. Fasting may here be used to best advantage.

If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

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If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

Jerry:

I am an OLer who does not know who wrote it the bold quote supra...

2nd, I do not believe your stomach paradigm works for Bulimia and Anorexia, the nervosa twins...correct?

A...

If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

Jerry:

I am an OLer who does not know who wrote it the bold quote supra...

2nd, I do not believe your stomach paradigm works for Bulimia and Anorexia, the nervosa twins...correct?

A...

If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

Jerry:

I am an OLer who does not know who wrote it the bold quote supra...

2nd, I do not believe your stomach paradigm works for Bulimia and Anorexia, the nervosa twins...correct?

A...

What hint? Do you know?

Twins are Henrik and something else Norski, not those Italian guys!

Doubled over,

Mikhail G.

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If your stomach throws the food back in your face, the hint should be obvious.

Jerry:

I am an OLer who does not know who wrote it the bold quote supra...

2nd, I do not believe your stomach paradigm works for Bulimia and Anorexia, the nervosa twins...correct?

A...

He was a quack whose patients were mostly failures from other doctors and he got most of them well and the law prosecuted him. I found 4 paragraphs of his with the word 'anorexia' and he says that means don't eat.

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I found 4 paragraphs of his with the word 'anorexia' and he says that means don't eat.

Do you know what "anorexia nervosa" means?

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I found 4 paragraphs of his with the word 'anorexia' and he says that means don't eat.

Do you know what "anorexia nervosa" means?

Anorexia and anorexia nervosa are 2 different things. The 1st is lack of appetite; the 2nd is psychological and has nothing to do with lack of appetite or with stomach.

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Get a load of fake obesity experts vs vegsource doctors. Warning: vegan propaganda. I'm sure there are lean non-vegans.

I don't have the impression that the 'lean' vegsource doctors really look healthier than the obesity experts who happen to be bit 'heavier'.

Dr. Neil Barnard for example is quite pale-faced.

I have read books by vegsource doctors like Dr. Neil Barnard, and also by less strict types like Dr. Andrew Weil (whose picture can be seen in the above YouTube link).

Frankly, although Dr. Weil has some extra pounds (he says he just loves to eat), I find his non-dogmatic way of dealing with the topic 'health' most appealing.

I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian; some months ago, I tried to switch to a vegan diet, but found it to be too rigorous for me. I missed eating eggs, and also the small amount of dairy I'm used to consuming daily.

Having soy milk products instead was no adequate sustitute. Athough I like soy sausages and soy pudding, soy milk and soy yoghurt just turn my stomach.

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Having soy milk products instead was no adequate sustitute. Athough I like soy sausages and soy pudding, soy milk and soy yoghurt just turn my stomach.

Why do people insist on substitutes?

I avoid soy.

Most of the vegans say dairy is one of the worst non-vegan foods.

The Mad Cowboy says if you quit just one thing, it should be dairy.

Dr. Alan Goldhamer lists 5 things to avoid; dairy is 2 of them.

Dr. McDougall made a whole long lecture about how bad dairy is.

There is a whole website devoted to bashing dairy: http://www.notmilk.com/

Substitutes are for addicts.

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Having soy milk products instead was no adequate sustitute. Athough I like soy sausages and soy pudding, soy milk and soy yoghurt just turn my stomach.

Why do people insist on substitutes?

I avoid soy.

Most of the vegans say dairy is one of the worst non-vegan foods.

The Mad Cowboy says if you quit just one thing, it should be dairy.

Dr. Alan Goldhamer lists 5 things to avoid; dairy is 2 of them.

Dr. McDougall made a whole long lecture about how bad dairy is.

There is a whole website devoted to bashing dairy: http://www.notmilk.com/

Substitutes are for addicts.

Good. That will leave more cheese for the rest of us.

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After reading this thread I've decided to stop eating,

This will solve a number of problems, including the problem of reading.

--Brant

don't worry, I know what I'm doing

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I avoid soy.

Why?

It's not hard to get information on soy. I also avoid corn and wheat. These used to be good foods. You can easily find information about corn and wheat. Rice and millet and potatoes seem to still be good, for now.

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You can do a lot for healthy eating by avoiding as much as possible everything in the supermarket in the aisles between fruit and meat.

--Brant

boxed or packaged

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