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My polling stats showing Romney leading in New Hampshire are right but I was wrong about Mitt leading in Iowa and South Carolina. My remembrance was from over a week ago and it’s now wrong.

This morning on Fox, Karl Rove ...

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Mr. Newt is within ten (10) points in N.H.. Additionally, and this is one of the best kept secrets out there, Huntsman is beginning to seriously cut into Romney's remaining numbers in N.H.

Remember, http://anyonebutmitt.com/, which is Massachucetts based and run by Michael Graham, an ex-Republican campaign consultant, Tea Party leader and has a major drive time afternoon talk show out of Boston.

Moreover, Karl Rove, who developed the exurbia model for the 2000 Bush election is a brilliant election campaign nuts and bolts planner. However, he sucks with his big-government Republican commentary.

He has actually diminished himself in my view since he went to Washington and is now, I believe, a complete whore for the entrenched big government Republican wing of the party.

Finally, out of curiosity, you make reference to "your polling" data, who do you utilize for your numbers and do you have any links to substantiate your numbers.

Thanks.

Adam

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As the presidential election nears I can't help but think of what AR wrote, in essence. The political climate is the result of the philosophy of the electorate. You can ague till you're blue in the face about the benefits of capitalism but until & unless capitalism is supported on moral grounds, that it is indeed the only system consistent with mans nature, more of the same mixed economy is guaranteed.

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As the presidential election nears I can't help but think of what AR wrote, in essence. The political climate is the result of the philosophy of the electorate. You can ague till you're blue in the face about the benefits of capitalism but until & unless capitalism is supported on moral grounds, that it is indeed the only system consistent with mans nature, more of the same mixed economy is guaranteed.

Sadly, LV, she was and is still correct. It is just a matter of the percentages in the mixture which is what this election is about. If the marxist mixture increases any more, we will, more than likely, not be able to bring America back because the marxists will impose a severe soft tyranny or a severe hard tyranny.

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As the presidential election nears I can't help but think of what AR wrote, in essence. The political climate is the result of the philosophy of the electorate. You can ague till you're blue in the face about the benefits of capitalism but until & unless capitalism is supported on moral grounds, that it is indeed the only system consistent with mans nature, more of the same mixed economy is guaranteed.

What moral concerns does the American electorate have?

The U.S. public has long since bought into a "mixed economy" which is soft fascism in disguise.

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Again AR was right when she wrote it is in the universities where the intellectual battle must be fought.

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As the presidential election nears I can't help but think of what AR wrote, in essence. The political climate is the result of the philosophy of the electorate. You can ague till you're blue in the face about the benefits of capitalism but until & unless capitalism is supported on moral grounds, that it is indeed the only system consistent with mans nature, more of the same mixed economy is guaranteed.

Sadly, LV, she was and is still correct. It is just a matter of the percentages in the mixture which is what this election is about. If the marxist mixture increases any more, we will, more than likely, not be able to bring America back because the marxists will impose a severe soft tyranny or a severe hard tyranny.

It's just so depressing.

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Gingrich supported Bush’s prescription drug bill (the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003). This added 17 trillion – trillion – to Medicare’s "unfunded liabilities" – which I guess means instead of being paid by Medicare fees it’s paid by either taxes or inflation. This pit is far worse than that of Social Security.

In 2005 along with Hillary Clinton he proposed the "21st Century Health Information Act" which would create a federally administered national health database.

He’s a leading advocate for war against Iran, a reprise of his position ten years ago regarding Iraq.

He uses environmentalism as an excuse for new and larger government programs, you can look up the details.

Whoever says "anyone but Obama" doesn’t know how low a politician can sink. Rather another four years of Obama than this jerk. I write "jerk" advisedly.

But of course there are no other alternatives. I'm being sarcastic.

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Tough to fully support any of the candidates.

Some lack the grasp on free market economics and/or are carry varying degrees of religious baggage.

It's all about who can defeat Obama and stop America's bleeding, reversing as much of the damage caused by legislation.

I believe Newt has the best chance of knocking Obama out of the box.

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Mark, I believe that Newt no longer supports those idea's.

Romney is the quintessential RINO ------ he and his ilk are the reason why the GOP had their asses handed to them in '06. I hope HOPE that Romney is not the pick. He is Bush III.

I agree. Bush lll or Obama "Light" comes to mind.

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Gingrich supported Bush’s prescription drug bill (the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003). This added 17 trillion – trillion – to Medicare’s "unfunded liabilities" – which I guess means instead of being paid by Medicare fees it’s paid by either taxes or inflation. This pit is far worse than that of Social Security.

In 2005 along with Hillary Clinton he proposed the "21st Century Health Information Act" which would create a federally administered national health database.

He’s a leading advocate for war against Iran, a reprise of his position ten years ago regarding Iraq.

He uses environmentalism as an excuse for new and larger government programs, you can look up the details.

Whoever says "anyone but Obama" doesn’t know how low a politician can sink. Rather another four years of Obama than this jerk. I write "jerk" advisedly.

Mark:

In your advisedly section, the latest source is 1999. The Skeleton Closet folks did not have the article written by Mr. Newt's daughter just last month which I cited, in full, on a thread here on OL in the last few days.

It completely refutes the "hospital story" and the being "taken to Court/dead beat dad story." I am sure you just missed it.

As to his use of environmentalism as "...an excuse for new and larger gocernment programs...," I am truly confused by this "charge" because Mr. Newt has been on both sides of the global warming issue.

It is rather odd for you to tell folks to "look up the details." However, I will of course endeavor to make that effort.

In terms of Iran and his alleged advocacy for "war against Iran," Mr. Newt was quite clear in the last debate that he is for regime change. Any military action to stop acquisition of a weapons ready nuclear bomb would be a last resort and would be reflective of a failed regime change policy.

As to the support of the big government blunder of the Bush Medicare Prescription Plan, I believe he has made his mea culpa on that one, but I will confirm it.

I will also look into the 2005 "21st Century Health Information Act." I know that he had a position through his think tank, but I do not remember what it was.

Adam

Post Script: You should be fair enough to retract the sections of that Skeleton Closet segment which has been refuted by his daughter who was a witness to the events. It was my # 3 post in this very thread...

And another Newt myth bites the dust!
"Jackie Gingrich Cushman wants to set the record straight: Her dad didn't press her mom for a divorce while she was in the hospital."
"You can look them up online if you are interested in untruths," she wrote last week in her syndicated column. "But here's what happened: My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested. Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother. She had undergone surgery the day before to remove a tumor. The tumor was benign. As with many divorces, it was hard and painful for all involved, but life continued. As have many families, we have healed; we have moved on."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi...p#ixzz1d1aqy9Q6

Seems like that "baggage" Mr. Newt is supposedly forced to carry by a despicably biased "press corps,." is getting lighter and lighter.

Here is her column:

http://www.creators....d-straight.html

But one of them seems to have taken on a life of its own, and simple corrections have not sufficed to set the record straight. Why does this happen? I can't be sure, but I suspect that the narrative created by these untruths proves to be so much more compelling and more dramatic than what actually happened that it proves irresistible.
I'm talking about the story of my father's visit to my mother while she was in the hospital in 1980.

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First in Iowa Mr. Newt; Second Dr. Paul; Third The Glove noone wants to put their hand in and play with!

Gingrich has support from 25 percent of likely Republican caucusgoers, Paul is at 18 percent and Romney at 16 percent.

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann ties with retired Georgia business executive Herman Cain at 8 percent.

The poll was conducted before Cain suspended his candidacy on Saturday.

Rounding out the field: Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania at 6 percent each, and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 2 percent.

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Rasmussen Presidential head to head:

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s surge has given him a two-point edge over the president - 45% to 43% - in a hypothetical general election matchup. Earlier in the year, both Texas Governor Rick Perry and Georgia businessman Herman Cain followed a similar path to take a slight lead over the president. However, in both cases, their time as front-runners quickly came to an end. Neither man led the president more than a single time in a Rasmussen Reports poll. It remains to be seen whether Gingrich follows that path or is able to retain his status as the leading alternative to Romney.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows the president with 42% of the vote, while Romney picks up 40% support.

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"Two hours after I’m sworn in as President, and by the time Obama lands in Chicago, I will have forty percent of Obama’s government dismantled. - Newt Gingrich"

Amen. Goodbye Czars, Obamacare, and more deomcr-----I mean socialists.

Even though I think the GOP will retake the Presidency, keep the House, and take the Senate or tie the Senate, a lot of work needs to be done in terms of Americans educating themselves and rediscovering reason, if you will, in order for these changes to return to the way America used to be to have any long term effectiveness. Things are looking up.

Sidenote; It looks as though Putin and Medvedev are despised enough that they may lose the election ***cross fingers***

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As always, a candidate like Newt may say some things that sound great, but ends up just being lip service once elected. Always must we keep the fire of reason and liberty at their feet. There is no perfect candidate, though some are perfecter than others. Apparently Senator Coburn, whom I admire, does not care for Gingrich's leadership style. The bottom line ultimately is to replace Obama ASAP and try to undu the countless damage he has done (and Bush II and Clinton). The Republic can be saved, we just need to be vocal stalwarts for her.

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Newt doesn't have a well-developed moral muscle, but compared to Obama, he's a blessing.

For now, at least.

I don't know how long that will last, though.

I consider Newt to be a supporter of big government who says he's for small government. But even more so, I see him as a follower. I think he will follow the crowd. If the people around him hammer on and on about small government, I see him going along.

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Adam wrote:

Finally, out of curiosity, you make reference to "your polling" data, who do you utilize for your numbers and do you have any links to substantiate your numbers.

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My old, erroneous polling data was from a female correspondent on Fox News. I later checked RealClearPolitics for better, more up to date polling data. They combine several polling companies and take an average which really is “really clear”.

Adam, I commend you for your excellent fact checking and links. I can’t believe how many times I have taken the word of The Lame Stream Media only to find out that they lied about or manipulated stories or they selected stories to advance their agenda. Because of you I revised my initial responses. Gullible I am not, but they hammer away and corroborate each other and it is easy to fall into their propaganda trap.

I agree with Michael about Newt “getting along” with the majority Republican / Tea Party consensus. Any big government tendencies of his will remain hidden out of political self preservation and they will remain stifled because this country is worse than broke.

I could vote for Crocodile Gingrich. Uh oh. Have you ever noticed how “Gingrich” is very close to Doctor Suess’s character, the “Grinch?”

“The Gingrich who stole Christmas,” will run after “Horton Hears a Who” on CBS just before the 2012 election.

Several people have mentioned an Hispanic running mate for the Republican contender which might be a good idea. My memory is not that great but didn’t Obama get 65 percent of the Hispanic vote last time? Rubio has some great bona fides but is there any truth to the rumor that he would be ineligible for the Veep or Presidency because he was born in America to parents who were not yet American citizens?

Semper cogitans fidele,

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Peter:

As to Rubio and Bobby Jindale, the issue of "natural born" will be raised by the left.

Real Clear Political polling is relatively decent. You have to watch out for their penchant of giving you the "average" of the polls at the top of their display.

The best way is to click on the latest poll below the average and look at their internals, look up their track record and also see how they deal with the cell phone population which is a critical issue in polling today.

Thanks for the compliments.

Adam

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Breaking news...

Report: Cain to endorse Gingrich

Atlanta's Fox-5 is reporting that Herman Cain will endorse Newt Gingrich on Monday.

And Gingrich just added a media availability to his schedule in New York on Monday, suggesting the likelihood the endorsement will be held in Manhattan.

Gingrich was effusive in his praise of Cain while he himself was in New York over the weekend for a town hall event on Staten Island. And polling even before the former Godfather's Pizza CEO dropped out had suggested Gingrich would be the beneficiary of his support.

According to reports we've been hearing all weekend, the former speaker been has picking up Cain supporters, even without the endorsement. But a nod from his longtime friend should add to Gingrich's already solid lead in Iowa, where the two polls released over the weekend showed him as the clear front runner.

h/t: Dan Riehl

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With Romney gifting MA residents with Romneycare how om earth can Mitt possibly blast Obama for Obamacare? Newt got into dangerous water when he supported the option of an individual mandate, but he has luckily been 100% opposed to it. He LISTENED. Romney still tries to justify compulsion by siting the 10th amendment.

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This poll has Romney +15 in NH, but the interesting trend in NH is Huntsman's climbing numbers which leads me to believe that is what is behind Mr. Newt's one on one debate with Huntsman which is scheduled for NH. Theory is that Hundtsman will take numbers away form Mitt.

Romney still leads in New Hampshire

In New Hampshire, which holds its primary on Jan. 10, Romney continues to lead, getting the support of 39 percent of likely GOP primary voters. But that’s a six-point decline since October.

Romney is followed in the Granite State by Gingrich at 23 percent (a 19-point gain), Paul at 16 percent (a three-point increase), and former Utah Gov. Huntsman at 9 percent (a four-point jump). No other Republican candidate gets more than 3 percent support.

Read the NBC News-Marist poll New Hampshire Annotated Questionnaire

The decision by Cain -- who is at 2 percent support in New Hampshire -- to suspend his campaign doesn’t change the race there all that much: Romney stays at 39 percent, while Gingrich moves one point to 24 percent.

Among all New Hampshire Republicans, the breakdown is Romney with 40 percent, Gingrich with 21 percent, Paul with 16 percent, and Huntsman at 10 percent.

What’s hurting Romney

What appears to be hurting Romney: perceptions of his ideology and his record as Massachusetts governor.

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What bothers me most about Romney is his belief the Federal gov. shouldn't be involved in health care but the States should.

It makes no difference to me which group of despots initiates force.

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Mr. Newt on Glenn Beck this morning. I have not heard the audio, but here is the transcript:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/

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Thanks for posting the link Selene. That was a great interview by Glenn Beck. Beck did a good job asking direct questgions regarding Newt's shady politics from his past. My impression is that Newt is coming to understand that being a RINO does not resonate with the base electorate. I believe that he is re-thinking most of his RINO stances, which is good. He has come out and admitted he was wrong on several issues, whereas Romney just obfuscates everything. What's more, how can Romney call out Obama on Obamacare when he is resp. for Romneycare, it would look foolish! Las Vegas, you are correct, the level of where the oppression is is irrelevant . My ideal candidate is Paul's domestic policy with Perry's foreign policy. I still think that Bachmann will pull out a hat trick.....and I am ok with that, because I like her. If it comes down Newt and Romney I choose Newt for sure.

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