Jerry Biggers Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Herman Cain's self-proclaimed "psycho-epistemology?" Apparently, numerology (according to this article on his new book, in The American Prospect, (a leftist rag, so caveat emptor!).http://prospect.org/...ier-you-thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Herman Cain's self-proclaimed "psycho-epistemology?" Apparently, numerology (according to this article on his new book, in The American Prospect, (a leftist rag, so caveat emptor!).http://prospect.org/...ier-you-thoughtSixty percent of the American public believes the world is about 6000 years old. That means a sizable number of lefties shares this mistaken view.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Herman Cain's self-proclaimed "psycho-epistemology?" Apparently, numerology (according to this article on his new book, in The American Prospect, (a leftist rag, so caveat emptor!).http://prospect.org/...ier-you-thoughtSixty percent of the American public believes the world is about 6000 years old. That means a sizable number of lefties shares this mistaken view.Ba'al ChatzafIncorrect. Their percentage, according to self identifying polls is about 23%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Well, obviously since Herman Cain ran all those companies into the ground--Burger King, Godfather's Pizza, Aquila (electricity and natural gas), Whirlpool, Nabisco, and AGCO (tractors, etc.), including his own radio show, he will do the exact same thing with the USA government. (And don't forget Reader's Digest...)I mean, that's what crazy people do. This guy believes in a lucky number, fer Keriiiiiiiiiiiiist sake.One thing's for sure. He doesn't know how to do anything rational--and anyway, what has successful business experience got to do with psycho-epistemology? Or math and ballistics expertise?All that talk of his about getting facts, focusing on the right problem, etc., is baloney. It's a ruse to cover stark raving madness.If he gets elected, he'll probably just go ahead and launch nukes based on the horoscope and send the whole world to hell. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9thdoctor Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Oh come on. He was born in 1945, and wants to be the 45th president. And 4+5=9, as in 999. Gematria, this is not. Big frickin' deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrakusos Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Michael, see the new topic on Steve Jobs's pursuit of product over profit. There are many paths to success in business and not every succesful business person is an innovator. Following the crowd pays... as it should, after all... But that can be taught in an MBA program.With roots firmly established in the farm equipment industry, AGCO has a brand heritage reaching back to the mid-19th century. AGCO was established in 1990 when executives at Deutz-Allis bought out Deutz-Allis North American operations from the parent corporation KHD, (Klöckner-Humboldt-Deutz), a German company that owned the Deutz-Fahr brand of agriculture equipment. KHD had purchased portions of the Allis-Chalmers agricultural equipment business five years earlier. Since that time, AGCO has become a worldwide farm machinery company through market growth, strategic acquisitions and cutting edge agricultural solutions. Wikipedia on AGCO here.I will grant that Herman Cain has the experience at big business to be a successful President of the United States. Steve Jobs did not. I think that we need people like Jobs in that position, but, it would be a very different world, indeed. Cain promises predictable, expectable, calculable results. But that derives from his having a common worldview, including lucky numbers and who knows what else. It does not matter, perhaps, for the President of the United States.It does matter if anyone who self-identifies as an Objectivist seeks to support a candidate who reflects their own values. Herman Cain publicly practices religion. Burger King, Nabisco, and Godfather's Pizza do not serve anything I would eat. Remember that in The Fountainhead, Hopton Stoddard was materially succesful. Would you support someone of that mentality for President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 If he gets elected, he'll probably just go ahead and launch nukes based on the horoscope and send the whole world to hell.Michael,Still want to vote him in? ~ Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Biggers Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 The leftist media has long used the tactic of labeling anyone opposed to their political-economic agenda as "kooks," "extremists,"wingnuts," etc. With political candidates, they portray them as ignorant, anti-intellectual, religious fanatics, or worse., agents (or dupes) of Big Business, Big Oil, "Wall Street," the "Rich," etc. In particular, they love to quote excerpts from the candidates' public utterances, usually out of context, that make them look confused, ignorant of the issues, or, best of all, ridiculous.Unfortunately, many/most/all of the GOP candidates help them along by making statements that do appear to qualify them for those appellations. Every one of them belong to some religious group that can be made to look crazy, bizarre, or possibly dangerous (at least as described/distorted by the Left MSM). As each candidate appears to be gathering support, someone from the MSM will be digging down to find quotes that make that candidate look dangerous and/or crazy..Of course, the same tactic could be used on some of the Left's favorites, the prime example being Obama's 20 year affiliation of Rev Jeremiah Kennedy (Correction: Wright, not Kennedy) and his Marxist "liberation theology." The Left handled that by first ignoring it and when that didn't work, minimizing its significance while ignoring the screams from the Right.By the way, Obama's involvement/affiliations with the radical left is much more extensive than portrayed (see Radical-In-Chief - Barack Obama and the untold story of American Socialism, by Stanley Kurtz. [simon & Schuster, 2010]). Don't look for any of this to be featured on MSNBC, any time soon.I listed the article about Cain because it portrays him as blithely saying something that sounds profoundly stupid. I am assuming that he was quoted correctly (a precarious assumption, considering the source). I'll try to find a copy of the book to see if the quote is accurate. If he's made other gaffs, we will some hear them blared out by the MSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 If it was good enough for Reagan and Goldwater, it's good enough for me! Sing along...Gimmee that Ole Time Religious Nuclear Strike! It was good enough for Reagan then it;s good enough for me!Praise the Lord and pass the code key! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Rev Jeremiah Kennedy and his Marxist "liberation theology." Correction...Jeremiah Wright and his Black Liberation Theology which of course is quite marxist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Biggers Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Oops! You're correct, I meant Jeremiah Wright, not Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Burger King, Nabisco, and Godfather's Pizza do not serve anything I would eat.Michael,You're talking to the wrong person.I love that stuff.(I once remember Glenn Beck eating a "Twice Fried Cherry Pie" on his show and all I could do was drool. )Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrakusos Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Sorry to hear that. You should get over to RoR and read the posts on life extension.It makes no sense to eat poisons until you die prematurely.Sure, if you are a healthy teenager, you can metabolize a lot of stuff into growth... but once you are an adult, all you do with that food is kill yourself. Junk food is just the nutritiional equivalent of the Federal Reserve. Arthur Daniels Midland is worse for you than any international fiat debt money master.A is A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Michael,What makes you think I don't know this information, seeing as how I used to participate on these discussions when I posted over there?btw - What do you think about someone owning his own body and exercising free choice over it?Not a good idea?Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrakusos Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 If Herman Cain worked for a tobacco company, the discussion would be different about his being a successful businessman. To me, it's the same issue. Congratulations to him for selling whatever people want to buy, for managing a large enterprise very well. He surely has the skills to run the USA from the Oval Office, given that he will have the same kinds of teams and managers and direct reports and all that, as any senior manager does. That said, he is simply not Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or a dozen others who created something that did not exist before and thereby improved our lives. Therefore, as President, he is unlikely to be creative, inventive or innovative. Perhaps, that is best for all concerned, but maybe not. Maybe we need someone like Steve Jobs who shook up the company, who fired people publicly for their failures, and who made his dreams come true. As for your health, it is easy to argue that you have a perfect right to destroy yourself. I could argue that anyone who does that is irrational and has fewer rights than a child and therefore is entitled to protection by the state against their own self-destruction. But that is a different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I could argue that anyone who does that is irrational and has fewer rights than a child and therefore is entitled to protection by the state against their own self-destruction...MichaelHeh.I knew there was a there there.That's why I spoke up as I did.It's funny how fundamental principles get thrown into the back seat when a person gets on a crusade about what he believes is best for others--and starts appealing to morality as a handle to whip people in line.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9thdoctor Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Cain has some weird new videos. I gather these aren't spoofs, as in, well obviously one is a spoof but it's also an approved ad. In other words this isn't a false flag deal. I would suspect that both were fakes if I hadn't looked into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 My concern with Cain being a top contender is that it's a hype-popularity gig, much the same way Obama was. They want change, but with a new face. A repeating of history that wasn't good. They're replacing an apple with another apple, not an orange... Let's hope the hype doesn't extend into the polls.~ Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Shane,The differences between Cain and Obama are a tad bit deeper than you are insinuating.In fact, I don't think the two men could be further apart on fundamentals than they are right now.Outside of fundamentals, let's look at the window dressing. Can anyone seriously imagine Obama working for Burger King and putting it on his curriculum vitae?These two are only "apples" in the fact that they are both black and both know how to craft soundbites. As to the rest, it's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and aircraft carriers.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Michael,I know they go much deeper, and that they are two ends of the spectrum. I was referring to the new-guy phenomenon that Americans seem to be attracted to. It speaks to the self deception that "because it's new, it must be good since what's in place isn't working as it should" mentality. I see a repeat in that blunder is all. In reality, I'm not downplaying Cain in this comment, rather the general public's attitude at how they go about picking candidates.~ ShaneEdit: I need to work on my specifics/clarity...sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equality72521 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Is Cain the perfect Candidate? No not by a long shot. Is he the best option on the table at the moment? absolutely. Its not a question of taking poison, we have already swallowed the poison, and it gave us cancer. What I am hoping for out of Cain is not a cure, instead I am hoping that he will stabilize the patient until we can get enough great doctors to cure the patient. Even if the most pure objectivist won the presidency it would make very little real difference. People always put so much focus on the president but they forget that he actually has little real power. And reducing the expanded power of the president at this exact moment in time would be a very very very bad idea, so dont suggest that would help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Is Cain the perfect Candidate? No not by a long shot. Is he the best option on the table at the moment? absolutely. Its not a question of taking poison, we have already swallowed the poison, and it gave us cancer. What I am hoping for out of Cain is not a cure, instead I am hoping that he will stabilize the patient until we can get enough great doctors to cure the patient. Even if the most pure objectivist won the presidency it would make very little real difference. People always put so much focus on the president but they forget that he actually has little real power. And reducing the expanded power of the president at this exact moment in time would be a very very very bad idea, so dont suggest that would help a lot.An election contest between Cain and Obama is a reductio ad absurdum for American politics. Cain is marvelously crude, He is a blunt instrument. And we know what Obama is; a slick article and totally non genuine, an empty suit. And it will be a hoot to see the American public chose the HNIC by vote. I am backing Cain because he is a rude shock to the system. Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I moved this here from the Politics section (which should be about political philosophy or philosophy of politics, not elections).Election stuff belongs here in Stumping in the Backyard.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Burger King, Nabisco, and Godfather's Pizza do not serve anything I would eat.Michael,You're talking to the wrong person.I love that stuff. (I once remember Glenn Beck eating a "Twice Fried Cherry Pie" on his show and all I could do was drool. )MichaelIt just gets better and better,I heard on Laura Ingraham's interview with HC (about the sex scandal silliness from Politico) that he graduated from Whopper College with honors--he was Valedictorian!<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZP0FeoI_8KE?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Folks, it just doesn't get any better than that!After knowing what I now know, if this guy suddenly turned commie, he would still get my vote! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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