Harlan Ellison explains the Norway Killer

[BaalChatzaf]

Please have a look at this synopsis of -The Beast Who Shouted Love At the Heart of the World-..

It is as good an "explanation" as I have seen.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Harlan Ellison is one of my favorite sci fi/horror fi authors, although he is difficult to read because of the deeply violent and horrific places he goes in the human, or, inhuman psyche.

Wiki link

Amazon link

[Rich Engle]

Harlan Ellison is one of my favorite sci fi/horror fi authors, although he is difficult to read because of the deeply violent and horrific places he goes in the human, or, inhuman psyche.

Wiki link

Amazon link

I've been an Ellison fan for what seems like forever. He's from Painesville, Ohio. He came back a few times to talk and sign books and danged if I didn't have a conflict each time.

His non sci-fi stuff is outrageous-- "The Glass Teat," "The Other Glass Teat," "Love Ain't Nothing But Sex Misspelled," etc., as well as his stunning editing (and introductions) in "Dangerous Visions," and "Again Dangerous Visions."

And then of course any of his tele- or screenplays.

rde

[william.scherk]

The horrifying terror killings by the anti-multiculturalism 'Justiciar Knight' dominate the news in Norway, of course, and top the headlines worldwide.

The most gruesome comments I have heard are from zealots at Israeli news sites (commenters): among the addled are a few voices that say Norway got what it deserved. Are those voices explained in the Ellison book, I wonder?

Of course, from my opinion, the writings that 'explain' the killer and his plots are his own. The milieu that grew him was contemporary Norway, where for nine years he had been completing preparations for his crimes. That milieu included English-language opinion-makers from our side of the pond. That culture of xenophobia nurtured death.

Noxious instant pseudo-expert commentary abounds, of course, with a particularly awful explanation piece by Bruce Bawer in the Wall Street Journal today. I would like to compare his to Ellison's, but figure Ellison will win.

The saddest part about Bawer's piece is the way he explains how the killer cited his, Bawer's opinions, 22 times in the purportedly plagiarized manifesto.

It shall be very interesting to see how those who support the killer's political fanaticism extricate themselves from scrutiny for their own rhetoric. Bawer is not the only notable Western enemy of Islam or enemy of multiculturalism cited by the killer . . .

Pedlars of the Eurabia myth, like Mark Steyn? Anti-jihadis like Robert Spencer? Will they blame Norway too for its follies, and urge we take a closer look at and restrict and expel dangerous Muslims? Will Norway abandon its non-racialist immigration/refugee policies on the recommendation that the killer's stances were justified by Islamist menace?

The hate market, the MoozlimsAreScumDogKillers pedlars, the merchants of odious tracts and all those who sell trinkets and touchstones of religious war -- they too fueled this killer's fantasies. The merchants of fear, the merchants of hate, the merchants of hysteria will be having some attention paid to them. And they know it.

Thankfully or not, most Objectivist sites will not touch this story with a bargepole. It is odd to find no comment on this at SOLO, where Perigo's Death To Islam warrior cry remains policy.

I am sure Richard Wiig can be coaxed into giving us a lesson on They Brought This On Themselves.

Or, here is Glenn Beck on the 'disturbing' political camp shooting. "What is going on is exactly what I said would happen" blah blah Geert Wilders from Denmark blah blah We are in deep, deep trouble. He said Islam is evul, I don't say that, but Amedinejad blah blah is evul blah blah this kind of understanding of Islam is evul, period blah blah we don't want to stone people to death blah blah sharia law has no place in today's world, period blah blah I warned that what is coming in Europe last fall is going to go into trouble with radical Islam blah blah the cities are overrun blah blah they are like on the city council making all the rules blah blah squeezing the neck of Europe blah multiculturalism is killing Europe blah blah Spain France blah blah what is coming to Europe is the right wing blah blah blah leftist communist giant government or anarchy blah blah that's the left and right here in America blah blah they didn't replace it with We The People blah Nazis and Communism blah blah blah the shooter is from the Right Wing different from our Right Wing doing the work of people who want Big Government blah blah blah blah this is the act of a madman who needs to be in prison for the rest of their life no difference between him and the 9/11 bombers or bin Laden . . .

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Edited July 26, 2011 by william.scherk

[Rich Engle]

Talking heads, Bill. Talking heads. Feasting on the misery, and doing the twirling spin. Sickening as usual, keyword "use."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1N6We7W3IY

rde

[Selene]

The death toll on the Island in Norway has been downgraded to sixty-eight (68).

Well that is great news.

[Rich Engle]

The death toll on the Island in Norway has been downgraded to sixty-eight (68).

Well that is great news.

Blessed Be.

This one got to me pretty strong. Thanks, Selene.

[Rich Engle]

Well, reeling the thread, Mr. B, if I am mistaken, forgive, but I had to track down the particulars of your reference, and I am a Harlan fan, but for sure have not revisited him any time recently. Did you mean when he wrote like so?

{The story includes many related threads, starting with a man named William Sterog who goes on a killing spree after talking with a pest control man. In the next thread, an expedition discovers a new planet with a 37-foot-tall (11 m), beatific statue on it. The statue has the face of Sterog. Next, a violent and insane seven-headed dragon is captured and "drained" using a technique invented by a man named Semph. Another thread involves Semph discussing ethics with a friend. Finally, Djam Karet (roughly translated as "the hour that stretches"^[7]) investigates a field that pulses with violence and madness and it is revealed that a race of advanced beings have been "draining" madness from their world and dumping it on ordinary humans.}

That's what I remembered from it.

Regards!

rde

Beyond Even Bat Country

Edited July 26, 2011 by Rich Engle

[Selene]

Psychologizing the psychotic

Breivik called his upbringing in a middle-class home in Oslo privileged even though his parents divorced when he was 1 and he lost contact with his father in his teens. His parents split when the family lived in London, where his father, Jens Breivik, was a diplomat at the Norwegian Embassy in London. A spokesman for the embassy, Stein Iversen, confirmed that Jens Breivik was employed at the embassy in the late 1970s, but wouldn’t discuss his relationship with the Oslo suspectBreivik said both parents supported Norway’s center-left Labor Party, which he viewed as infiltrated by Marxists.

His mother won a custody battle, but Breivik said he regularly visited his father and his new wife in France, where they lived, until his father cut off contact when Breivik was 15. The father told Norwegian newspaper VG that they lost touch in 1995, but that it was his son who wanted to cut off contact.

“We’ve never lived together, but we had some contact in his childhood,” the older Breivik, who VG said is now retired in France, was quoted as saying. “When he was young he was an ordinary boy, but reclusive. He wasn’t interested in politics at the time.”

In his manifesto, Breivik said

he had no negative experiences from his childhood, though he had issues with his mother being a “moderate feminist.”

“I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminize me to a certain degree,”

he said.

[Rich Engle]

Psychologizing the psychotic

Breivik called his upbringing in a middle-class home in Oslo privileged even though his parents divorced when he was 1 and he lost contact with his father in his teens. His parents split when the family lived in London, where his father, Jens Breivik, was a diplomat at the Norwegian Embassy in London. A spokesman for the embassy, Stein Iversen, confirmed that Jens Breivik was employed at the embassy in the late 1970s, but wouldn't discuss his relationship with the Oslo suspectBreivik said both parents supported Norway's center-left Labor Party, which he viewed as infiltrated by Marxists.

His mother won a custody battle, but Breivik said he regularly visited his father and his new wife in France, where they lived, until his father cut off contact when Breivik was 15. The father told Norwegian newspaper VG that they lost touch in 1995, but that it was his son who wanted to cut off contact.

"We've never lived together, but we had some contact in his childhood," the older Breivik, who VG said is now retired in France, was quoted as saying. "When he was young he was an ordinary boy, but reclusive. He wasn't interested in politics at the time."

In his manifesto, Breivik said

he had no negative experiences from his childhood, though he had issues with his mother being a "moderate feminist."

"I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminize me to a certain degree,"

he said.

So, somebody called him (in Norwegian, of course) a fag in high school, which of course made him want to kill.

rde

Fag.