caroljane Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 But it's not just Canada's schools compared to those of the U.S. U.S. public school education (and its related serious culture) is pretty much worse than that of -everybody-. Except impoverished or third world toilets where there is not enough money to educate at all.An interesting pictorial of world rankings on Math, Science and Reading, from OECD countries, featured in the Guardian.This really surprised me. I thought Philip was being hyperbolic. And Finland, who knew? Quite pleased with the showing of the old Feuille d'Erable once I figured out how to stop Canada morphing into Switzerland.I'd love to see such a breakdown over the whole 20th-century, preferably president by president so that Blame can be Apportioned. Is that doable, O Wazir of the Sacred Stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Joel, you better stop getting your "just good friend" Ashlee in payroll to "garnish" those wages. I'm scared she might be getting suspicious about the Secret Plan we have been plotting in the Sacred Igloo, you know the "Really New, Really England") one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Stop.... talking.... Daunce....Next you'll let em know we invented fluoride.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Seriously, 40% deduction from gross earnings seems ridiculously high to me because1) I worked in call centres for nearly 3 years and they all under-deducted if anything. I ended up owing income tax on minimum-wage jobs because the company did not deduct enough2) Now even with proper deduction, optional deduction for dental etc., and union dues, and our usual socialist wage grabs, I still get waaaay more than 60% of gross. I still owe taxes though, and I really want to pay them. Mr Gilles Savoie of the CRA, if you are reading this, I really mean it this time.3) I thought NH was a low income-tax state, and that the US has a lower income tax rate than Canada.????????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The actual tax rates can be pretty close given income tax, sales tax, property tax, blood for oil tax..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Stop.... talking.... Daunce....Next you'll let em know we invented fluoride....It's OK, we're alone. Listen, this is wild but...what if the NH government is on our wavelength about, you know, and they are sending the workers' money to us in preparation for, you know, remember the Underground Railroad?Should we wait for the Rites or call the Grand Shaman right now? Edited February 7, 2011 by daunce lynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Half a century ago American education was admired worldwide. Now it's a joke.Half a century of Objectivist thought has reviled American education as a foul Pragmatist horror (see 'The Comprachicos') or otherwise slack and awful; by your estimation, the rest of the world has caught up with this revulsion.The thing is, Phil, your estimation of the world's admiration or lack thereof is not true -- at least in regards to worldwide estimation of post-secondary education. I won't bother to do your homework by citing the stats I dug up yesterday, but if one looks at global rankings of Universities, American is Mecca for serious students. The greatest universities of the world are in America.Of course, from an Objectivish standpoint, the US universities are also dire anti-reason shitholes, so I guess that you, Phil, can square the circle.It would help the persuasive power of your rant if you based your conclusions on some reasoned and accessible references. Otherwise, you just come across as another smug "America is doomed" fuckhead.Several of the states where the Puritans developed the educational system centuries ago (New England) or where they slowly migrated to (the Northern tier and Upper Midwest)have managed to retain 'standards' and 'rigor', but the Deep South states and California in particular are basically graduating legions of morons.Oh, please. Cite something, anything in support of your claims. Why don't you assemble a rational, objective argument instead of these tiresome rants? You can do better. Edited February 7, 2011 by william.scherk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Half a century ago American education was admired worldwide. Now it's a joke.Half a century of Objectivist thought has reviled American education as a foul Pragmatist horror (see 'The Comprachicos') or otherwise slack and awful; by your estimation, the rest of the world has caught up with this revulsion.The thing is, Phil, your estimation of the world's admiration or lack thereof is not true -- at least in regards to worldwide estimation of post-secondary education. I won't bother to do your homework by citing the stats I dug up yesterday, but if one looks at global rankings of Universities, American is Mecca for serious students. The greatest universities of the world are in America.Of course, from an Objectivish standpoint, the US universities are also dire anti-reason shitholes, so I guess that you, Phil, can square the circle.It would help the persuasive power of your rant if you based your conclusions on some reasoned and accessible references. Otherwise, you just come across as another smug "America is doomed" fuckhead.Several of the states where the Puritans developed the educational system centuries ago (New England) or where they slowly migrated to (the Northern tier and Upper Midwest)have managed to retain 'standards' and 'rigor', but the Deep South states and California in particular are basically graduating legions of morons.Oh, please. Cite something, anything in support of your claims. Why don't you assemble a rational, objective argument instead of these tiresome rants? You can do better.It's true about UCLA etal of course, and of the highly-educated young Americans who enter them from excellent private or public schools. But I thought we were talking about the public education system, Grades 1-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Oh, please. Cite something, anything in support of your claims. Why don't you assemble a rational, objective argument instead of these tiresome rants? You can do better.It's true about UCLA etal of course, and of the highly-educated young Americans who enter them from excellent private or public schools. But I thought we were talking about the public education system, Grades 1-12.Oh, you are probably right. It is kind of odd for a Canuckistani to be defending the USA against an American denigrating his own country. The kind of rhetoric Phil uses just sets me off on my own rant, I guess. [Added: here is a link to stat graphs that support Phil's take on 1-12, California v NW]I will apologize for my nasty comeback tirade once Phil returns. In the meantime, another hasty rant written earlier:An interesting pictorial of world rankings on Math, Science and Reading, from OECD countries, featured in the Guardian.This really surprised me.Why? Canuckistan is First World and determined to remain so. With our mix of collectivism and communism and socialism and marxism and good-old fashioned leftism, with slight garnishes of freedom to spice up the grey gloom, we are almost identical to the rest of the Europeanized socialist hellholes in the top ranks of the OECD. And we are so damned different from the US in every way that any American can list all nine hundred essential differences off the top of his head.By the way, did you catch Sarah Palin on CBN today? I wonder how she did in her K-12. Edited February 8, 2011 by william.scherk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Palin.... on CBN?Oh yah, I'll get on that right away. I'll just get my home electrode CBT kit and call up my Russian lady friend to psych myself up first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Palin.... on CBN?Oh yah, I'll get on that right away. I'll just get my home electrode CBT kit and call up my Russian lady friend to psych myself up first.No need to be such a communist about it, Joel. You just have to ask. She comes across as extremely well-informed, thoughtful, intellectually incisive, and the all-important 'Presidential.'** I don't think it is fair for you to implicitly demean the Christian Broadcasting Network as a credible media source. CBN has many programmes of interest to the OL community. So she is not going for the headlines, or appearing on the communist 'lamestream' media, or fielding interviews from networks and newspapers that would harass her with gotcha questions. So what? Is there some unwritten rule that you have to submit to critical scrutiny just because you aspire to high office? That is kind of like asking Mubarak to give an interview to CNN, or a President taking questions on FoxNews. Politics should be fought on Facebook, Twitter and in carefully vetted friendly venues.<embed src="http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=20936" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="348"><embed src="http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=20937" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="348"><embed src="http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=20938" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="348">______________** if you just use the proper metrics to measure these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Palin.... on CBN?Oh yah, I'll get on that right away. I'll just get my home electrode CBT kit and call up my Russian lady friend to psych myself up first.What is CBN? If it's Palin I'll just wait for the experts such as pippi to pontificate so I will know what to think.I'd really like to know why her deductions are so heavy, and why she thinks they are supporting us. Of course Obama is a communist, but so are we, and even he would surely give the money to the American communists, and oh I can't figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 CBN was founded by one of the Christian Right's chief architects, Pat Robertson. It is the movement's propaganda arm.On OL it is a credible and often cited source. Personally, I don't like coming within ten feet of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 CBN was founded by one of the Christian Right's chief architects, Pat Robertson. It is the movement's propaganda arm.On OL it is a credible and often cited source. Personally, I don't like coming within ten feet of it.Like the 700 Club!! I remember that. And we used to have PTL Club parties with bets on which Bakker would start crying first. I was sad when he went to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Folks:In terms of what she stated in the three (3) clips, does anyone have some constructive critical evaluation?It seemed pretty generic to me.I assume there was more to the interview.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Folks:In terms of what she stated in the three (3) clips, does anyone have some constructive critical evaluation?It seemed pretty generic to me.I assume there was more to the interview.AdamWhy not start a Palin thread from the clips then? If it stays on LOL it'd look like she was being made fun of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Confidential to J. MacDonald FRATERNAL ORDER OF THE SACRED IGLOO Local 13Ulaq of the Grand ShamanDear Brother MacDonald,It has been noticed by many that your attendance at the Rite has become erratic, though you always show up for Bingo afterwards. Also, you have taken to paying for all your purchases at the beer store with American money, although you have not left town since the last Convention in Iqalit in 2009.Someone named Verushka has left several messages for you at my house, also an Ashlee and a man with a Yankee accent.The Brotherhood is puzzled and becoming alarmed and the Mounties are asking questions.What in the name of the Blessed Thomas Douglas is going on with you?In solidarity and sealmeat,A CONCERNED FRIENDGordLook Joel, whatever crazy crap you are into now it hasta stop. Me and Claudine dont mind being a message drop for you, you are a friend but she is starting to think some of those women are really calling for me and I don't need the headache OK? Edited February 8, 2011 by daunce lynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) pippi, you said:I think Rand would hate youI am on min wage and get 40% or more taken out of my payI agree, I think she would. I admire her and her achievements greatly (see my "Why I Admire Ayn Rand" in Articles), but I probably wouldn't have cared much for her personally either. Rather than have to meet her, I would have run a mile.I still really want an answer to my questions about the apparently incredible tax rate in New Hampshire of all places. I worked for minimum wage for three years and they deducted less than 15% - and that was in socialist Canada! Edited February 10, 2011 by daunce lynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 pippi, you said:I think Rand would hate youI am on min wage and get 40% or more taken out of my payI agree, I think she would. I admire her and her achievements greatly (see my "Why I Admire Ayn Rand" in Articles), but I probably wouldn't have cared much for her personally either. Rather than have to meet her, I would have run a mile.I still really want an answer to my questions about the apparently incredible tax rate in New Hampshire of all places. I worked for minimum wage for three years and they deducted less than 15% - and that was in socialist Canada!Well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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