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  1. My Take on Q There are only a few threads on OL where Q is discussed and a lot of what goes on is misleading. As people on OL speak for themselves and not in the name of any group-think, here is my own take on Q. I speak as Michael. And, as usual, I start with trying to identify correctly so I can judge correctly. Later, after this opening post, I might remember things that have been posted on OL about Q that are illuminating, so as I find them, I will post them. Also, I don't want to restrict anyone from posting, so be advised that people who demean Q tend to find the least representative fringe proponents with odd ideas and set them up as typical. Those who do this tend to post a lot, and then some more, in order to shut down discussions through the sheer number of posts (generally with mockery as subtext). This manner of thinking is reminiscent of bigotry--for example, thugs represent what blacks really are, greedy bastards represent what Jews really are, terrorists represent what Muslims really are, etc. If a person posted strings of posts showing only thugs, greedy bastards and terrorists to represent blacks, Jews and Muslims, and never mentioned average blacks, Jews and Muslims, a reasonable person will conclude that this is how that person sees blacks, Jews and Muslims, i.e., through a bigoted lens. If this happens here, I will point it out and, if you are like me and want to evaluate the Q issue as reasonably as you can--with your own mind--amidst all the yelling, you are invited to jump over that material. I, for one, will keep posting what I think. So just ignore the excessive crap. Anywho, here goes my take, which I have presented before. Peter asked a very good questions a few days ago. I responded with this: Here are some links Jon provided to more serious folks who discuss Q online: Also, below is one of the most criticized videos about Q I have come across. The critics call it recruiting propaganda. And I guess it is in a certain sense, but recruiting for what? There is no Q movement. There are only individuals who read and watch and listen and sometimes comment on the Internet. Individuals, all. I'm giving the self-proclaimed "old version" of the video, although the original must have been long deleted since that is how YouTube rolls to cut down view stats. Still, this version currently logs 1.4 million views or so. (btw - There are several versions of this same video in this same account, each with a million or more views, not to mention copies posted by other people and all those other video sites out there, resulting in millions and millions of views all over YouTube and the rest of the Internet.) I don't mean this video is criticized in the manner of a snarky know-it-all bashing a screwball with 7 followers who talks about how he ran words in a Q message backwards, applied a cipher, then pegged this to specific verses from the Book of Ezra in the Bible to show how Satan manifested in Hollywood. Instead, it is criticized by some of the top intellectuals and pundits who defend ruling class elitist cronyism (and just as often progressivism). They consider the video below to be a top-notch piece of propaganda. I, for one, like it. If it's propaganda, then it's only propaganda due to its single focus and rhetorical emphasis, not to lies. Ah... and to its effectiveness. There's that... I especially like the emphasis on the message that the surveillance state doesn't just spy on you and me, it spies on Deep State criminals, too. This is Q as I understand the phenomenon in essential terms. There are many variations, but the legitimate ones all boil down to these fundaments. Michael
  2. Deep State Unraveling Well, well, well... Things are getting real and real uncomfortable for the Deep State bullies. From Breitbart (Joshua Caplan reporting): Report: DOJ Review of Russia Probe Origins Is Now Criminal Investigation Do you know why I led with Breitbart's report and not the NYT's? Spin. Look at the garbage NYT headline below trying to make the Justice Department look like it doesn't know what it is doing. From the NYT via MSN (Katie Benner and Adam Goldman reporting): Justice Dept. Is Said to Open Criminal Inquiry Into Its Own Russia Investigation The article isn't much better in terms of spin. And there's this. Even though I'm happy about this news, the NYT sources continue to be drawn from their bottomless Anonymous Pool, in this case "two people familiar with the matter." There are some hard facts about Durham moving his investigation to criminal status. But they are layered in between a mountain of garbage. Here are a few excerpts: But no amount of spin can blank the "criminal investigation" part out of existence. For those who think like I do, here's some fun. Look at the bullies below as they sputter and stutter in between a bit too zealous "grasping at straws" moments. There's still a long road to travel, but this is one of those moments to stop and savor. Comeuppance is coming for the bad guys and they are starting to sweat. Michael
  3. Epstein Finally Gets Legally Ensnared for Human Trafficking of Kids Finally. Jeffrey Epstein Arrested for Sex Trafficking of Minors Now if they will keep going and get Epstein's cohorts and customers, too. Then maybe we will start to put a real dent in the Deep State's covert power--and the Clinton machine for that matter. Let's see what happens. Michael
  4. Veritas Deep State Project Covert videos are not a persuasion method in the sense of rhetoric. But this is still a persuasion technique. Exposure of bad guys engaged in naked wrongdoing and bragging about it is one of the all time greats. It often works when the videos are doctored, but it really works when it is the truth and the exposure gets widespread. In the realm of show and tell, it's show and let the bad guys tell on themselves. The covert part comes in infiltrating the bad guys, not manipulating an unaware target of a persuasion message. So far, all we have is this video. As time goes along, this thread will grow and one-by-one deep state actors will become exposed. I'm opening the thread citing Project Veritas because exposure of the deep state can get clouded over by talking about fringe conspiracy extremists, often citing the more kooky statements as if they were representative of normal deep state criticism. Not that I disagree with the extremists (some are on to something and some are not), but this thread is devoted to persuasion of people who disagree, some who even think there is not a deep state. That will never happen by fanning the flames of those who agree. There is nothing more persuasive to those who disagree than a video and audio recording--in context--of a person talking and doing something bad. No argument to the contrary can rebut that. The person who disagrees may still disagree, but he must either do a massive blank-out, appeal to context (which is legitimate, but can cognitively messy once the name-calling kicks in), or let a crack appear in his convictions. And therein lies the effectiveness of the persuasion technique. So let's see what James comes up with. I have a feeling this one is going to get nasty. But, by exposing actual deep state personnel going about their normal lives and doing and bragging about their misbehavior, I predict this will help influence moderates in the midterms to vote for Trump-friendly candidates. Michael
  5. The work history of the folks in the Robert Mueller team is reported on by the Daily Beast's Betsy Woodruff. For those unspooked by a relatively quiet news front on the special counsel's activities, and for those who are curious about credible/non-credible implications of the activities. And maybe for those who use "Muh Russia" unironically ... (& for those who may have forgotten the details of the inquiry's frame of reference: the Rosenstein order establishing his authority) The DB article's subheadline slug: To probe alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election, the special counsel has essentially built his own miniature Justice Department. Meet the experts he’s recruited. Here is an excerpt from the conclusion (emphasis added):
  6. The Facebook Group "For the New Intellectuals" is sometimes a font of interesting articles relating directly to Objectivists and objective-ism. Earlier this week, Anoop Verma posted a link to an article at the US Spectator, "Camille Paglia: ‘Hillary wants Trump to win again’" In it she dishes on a variety of stone cold losers and screechers assembling at the starting gate for the Democratic presidential nomination contests. Piquant, zesty, trenchant, pick your adjective ... She also gets in the weeds about the Deep State:
  7. Alex Jones and Bullying by the Establishment Alex Jones and Infowars are getting slammed in a manner that is not persuasive, to say the least. That is why this thread is in Persuasion Techniques. This is a case of what not to do. Take a look at following crap on a sister site Alex owns. You can't see it on Infowars right now because the establishment bullies have triggered a DDOS attack on the site. Infowars.com Site Goes Down Amid Big Tech Censorship Comes as social media giants try to silence political speech ahead of midterms The subtitle is correct. This is all about the midterms. During the past presidential election, Hillary Clinton complained about Alex Jones by name. Also, Clinton's poodle, Mueller is currently targeting Roger Stone in a Hail Mary attempt to make his investigation relevant and influence the upcoming elections. Roger co-hosts his own show on Infowars. Do you believe in coincidences like that? As this thread develops, I will list the crap the crony corporatists and deep state are doing to Alex, but I want to ask you something right now. You may hate Alex Jones or think he is insane. But after being thrown off Facebook, YouTube, ITunes, Spotify, Pinterest, the autoresponder MailChimp and several other major social media sites, including payment processors, all within the same time frame, and now when you go to Jones's own site, Infowars, you get this: ... because hackers are blasting Denial of Service robot attacks on his site so no one else can access it, do you this this is OK? Is this the kind of world you want to live in? Or do you prefer free speech on the Internet? For me, this is despicable and I am weighing my own options about shutting down my own presences at some of the crony corporatist sites like Facebook, etc. For the time being, though, I'm waiting to see what happens. Need I remind folks that this is how it works before authoritarians take over something big? As in the words of Martin Niemöller: Granted, we are talking about the ability to speak on the Internet and not physical imprisonment, but the way this thing is unfolding, it is serious and the pattern is the same. Luckily, Alex's support has grown because of this bullying. The Internet is just too big right now. And since, thankfully, net neutrality regulations have been neutralized, the government does not have its grubby mits on throttling whoever the regulators find objectionable. So despite the cronies and deep state thinking they can guarantee Democratic Party wins in the upcoming midterms by shutting down popular opposing voices (and they are starting to go hogwild with lots of other sites--if you look into this, you will be amazed at the brazenness), I don't think they understand how this will resonate with the typical American spirit. One thing is for sure. They are not persuading anyone by this bullying. They are only singing to their own choir. And, unbelievably, they have accomplished the impossible propaganda-wise. They have turned Alex Jones into a legitimate victim and martyr for a massive victimization story to be used during the elections. Congratulations, idiots. Un-frigging-believable. Now live with the consequences. Michael
  8. I have begun to wonder if Obama is running the Deep State behind the scenes. He might be an Acting President, everyone in the Federal civil service working hard to oust Trump. Sort of makes sense. Obama lives in Washington. Be interesting to have NSA metadata on who he talked to last week, and whether he personally directed Lynch and Comey to bury the Hillary evidence. Anything is possible.The caravans were a stroke of genius. Motor voter registration and driver licenses for illegals. Yep. Recent history has Obama's fingerprints all over it. Rush Limbaugh speculated that NATO diplomats agitated for an FBI counterintelligence putsch to smear candidate Trump. No way. It was an Obama White House op, start to finish.
  9. The Swamp War against President Trump After oodles of rhetoric, investigations and legal games, The Swamp just fired its first cannonball. They jailed Paul Manafort before the trial. Alan Dershowitz is fit to be tied. (If you want to see the video, go to the link below.) Dershowitz Explodes On MSNBC: Locking Up Manafort Before A Trial Is ‘so Obnoxious To Our Constitution’ I mentioned on another post here on OL: I'm pretty damn sure I'm going to enjoy how this plays out. Michael
  10. Do you ever get slightly confused by the term "Deep State," or wonder if another person is sensing the same concept as you? Here's an interesting analytical essay by Mike Lofgren, author of the book "The Deep State." Anatomy of the Deep State -- who knew there was a website called Wikispooks.com? Here's a link to their page on Deep State, which uncovers the interesting provenance of the phrase ...