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  1. 7 hours ago, Peter said:

    Just wait three more years and come to America.

    That seems a tad bit over optimistic.

    We're only seeing the tip of the ice berg of decades of past (as well as current) leftist indoctrination at all levels of education and in many governmental and quasi-government institutions... and the trend is decidedly toward Marxism. 

    Turning the tide only now (IF it can be turned) means at least a few more decades to get back to where we were or should be.

     

    Maybe move to Spain or Portugal and suggest your children think about coming back to America when the time is right, if ever.

  2. 12 hours ago, Jules Troy said:

    There will probably be enough idiots under 40 that will be swayed by T2’s 40k FTSA to fuck things up…

    Those under 40s, their mentalities, misunderstandings and emotions and vices and weaknesses, are not some kind of anomaly or a glitch in the system, "f"ing things up as you say, au contraire, they are an intended part of the system, indeed a main feature of the Nanny State to ensure things simply glide along "status quo". 

    So they are not screwing things up, they are playing their assigned parts... albeit standing in the way of your wishful thinking.

  3. 16 hours ago, Marc said:

    Check out Montreal rallies, Toronto rallies even on Friday Trudeau cancelled a rally in freaking Bolton Ontario for Christ sake. Bolton? 

    He is done.

    Canadians are not whispering, they're screaming right now.

    PM O'Toole

    Methinks majority too but 100% guaranteed a minority at the minimum

    Naw.

    You know what the Nanny State is best at producing?  Man-babies.

    Every Canadian election there are more and more of them... and the government class and quasi-government / union / public sector voting bloc is already beyond the tipping point...

    they gonna take 2 secs to vote Lib, then put their soothers back-in an' take a nappy-nap.

     

    IF Trudeau gets scared in the next week... he'll just invoke emergency powers and set up Dominion Election Machines and online voting...

     

    Naw... s'all good.  It'll be "True North strong? and Socialist" forevah

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  4. 1 hour ago, Marc said:

    Our King is Trudeau, Justin and Pierre too.

    Even if Justin's dad was really Fidel or Pierre, we love our Kings.

    Hopefully we will "revolt" as Canadians often dont and elect O'Toole.

    Funny but most Canadians dont even know the name of the Conservative leader even though the election is next month.

    I wish Carol would weigh in on her perspective 

    Careful what you wish for.

  5. 39 minutes ago, Jules Troy said:

    Too many morons collecting cerb will vote for more of the same, Canada is going to be Venezuela 2.0..fuxored. 

    Is Canada the only elected Socialist-Monarchy in the world?

    Canadians are eager for the King of Canada to rule them, to dictate what they can or cannot do, what they can or cannot say, no matter how corrupt, unprincipled, hypocritical, or tyrannical...

    but they whisper to the King how to rule, for the purpose of wielding power over and dominating their neighbors... often their betters... rather than for self-governance, which the Mob eschews, and requires no King.

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  6. 7 hours ago, Peter said:

    Was she following Trump's orders  as perceived by her . . . yes.

    This is a bald assertion.

    1. There is no evidence suggesting this

    2. A deeper understanding of what makes a person join a protest (self-promoted and widely known as against election fraud and in favor of freedom and America) clearly suggests this woman is NOT of a philosophy of simply "following orders" (although she had previously been in the military)

     

    That said, those who lean authoritarian (knowingly or not), automatically see through the lens of the webs, chains and shackles of obedience and disobedience, followers and leaders, State and Mob, Master and Slave,

    not knowing a person can be of free and individual mind, independently choosing what she believes is right.

  7. Were the Founding Fathers to turn their minds to the constitution/founding documents in the modern era, what could they have added to further protect the checks and balances and to mitigate big government, cronyism, and the deep state itself?

    Some suggestions, please add to the list

    - fix the number of Supreme Court Justices

    - explicitly include "property" as a right co-equal with rights to life and liberty

    -explicit limit on size/budget of government based on whole population and GDP

    -explicit limits on taxation

    -explicit forbidding of the draft or similar forms of direct enslavement by Govt

    -explicit limits on salary of any government employee or contractor to previous salaries earned in private economy shielded by so many degrees of separation from any government influence or funding

    -explicit limitations on types of government roles and regulatory reach

     

    Some of the above may not be particularly good, others added might be much better, but to my mind, perversion of the proper state only occurs when its perversion is possible and open to individuals seeking to unjustly benefit from it, by twisting and abusing it. 

    IF there would be no unjust benefit gained from government, government would not attract those types who otherwise would seek out easy routes to fortune and power.  Without the incentive in the first place, the self-reinforcing viscous circle of ever growing power hungry corrupt government would not exist.  Without over-reaching government power, cronyism becomes less efficient or appealing, without cushy salaries and insane pensions, swamp creatures become more rare, and without the power of any cunning spider of a person to overturn those measures in place to restrain such things, perhaps the corruption of government could be successfully prevented.

     

    Instead of an ever growing scream as from a microphone in an amplification loop, vice would fade into silent echos, whenever it attempted to bark in the face of freedom.

     

    Any ideas?

  8. On 6/19/2021 at 1:20 PM, Strictlylogical said:

    Wow this guy... I tell you, it's nice to hear this stuff

    he says the "A" word, the "S" words (both of them), the "F" word, and almost lays out the principle of the creation of wealth...

    The more I hear the more I like:

     

     

    For those of you who checked this video out, you'll see he is criticizing (in a very humorous and intelligent way) corruption and big government, lobbying, cronyism... which has been integral to Rule in Canada for decades...

    but Canada cannot really have a swamp can it?  

     

    What do we call the place in Canada where the swamp creatures of Canada live?  What do Canadians need to do to that place, if not "drain" it?

    We need a good freezing metaphor!  

  9. 41 minutes ago, Jules Troy said:

    On another note.. I notice that in regards to the residential school situation..no one is calling it what it actually is.  They are saying..we need a formal apology from the pope.  We need to bring in social workers to help the natives with their pain.  Butttt nobody is looking at the elephant in the room.  Where is the criminal investigation into institutionalized murder.  This was a huge crime and government is also guilty of covering it up and are guilty of aiding and abetting after the fact even as late as 1996..covering it up...

    Individuals, those who were in government and those working in the school system at the time need to be held accountable for their own individual actions, and all individuals or organizations in possession of any information pertaining to those crimes should forward that on to investigative authorities, so that those individuals who perpetrated any crime are brought to justice.

    In today's group think however, even though these are past crimes by individual people, much of the focus and blame will be on the so-called current collective "guilt" of or "stain" on Government, the Taxpayer, or Society (the polite self-effacing collectivist guilty Canadian... the "We"), simultaneously the favorite mystical scapegoats and paternal caretakers of the members of the collective mob...  the subconscious premise being the straw man responsibility and guilt of the current generation  ("original sin" inherited by birth perhaps?) justifies the thirst for self- or other-flagellation , self- or other-loathing and redistribution.

    IF that stupid culture of socialism could give way to individualism, current government officials would, for the most part, have no reason to cover any sins by past governments and other individuals, and promptly and simply stop covering it up and start investigating individuals ...  but the group think of collective guilt gives them plenty of "reasons", personal and political, to thwart and distort justice into a Canadian woke circus.

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  10. On 5/29/2021 at 10:39 PM, william.scherk said:

    I'll take the pronoun in the middle, the 'it,' as referring to the accounting I consider necessary, the work of the graves, and take 'political' as 'partisan' and agree. In kind but not in genre, the grave work in Bosnia is non-partisan.

    What is most likely to happen is a formal process of investigation. If the Kamloops child burials took this long a time to come to light, there may be more unmarked ground to probe for the bones of children. 

    If I've ridden off to the wrong hills with It and Not Political, please let us know.  

    This event is Canadian news, for sure. 

     

    Investigation is of course necessary whenever bodies are found to determine what happened, if there was foul play, and if possible to bring the guilty to justice (if the deaths recent enough).

    History is also a crucial part of culture and knowledge.  If old enough, I suspect anthropologists and/or historians would be interested in excavating and documenting things, to widen our understanding of what happened.

     

    Insofar as NO ONE currently in government or not, thinks the State should kill, or inadvertently cause the deaths, or hide the fact of the deaths of persons within its care, there is, at the moment, no POLITICAL ISSUE to debate, it is not politics.

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  11. 6 hours ago, william.scherk said:

    Residential schools were the most efficient way to extirpate native culture and language. The tragedies of the efficient Indian Act were the core subject of a national commission that brought forth a report in 2015.

    Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada

    Canada's legacy is its own, although rooted in a legal regime installed by the British Crown. Here in British Columbia, native peoples and local bands still struggle with the legacy. The discovery of remains in Kamloops brings a century of pain to the fore yet again.

    Much like the Butterbox Babies, and the Irish mothers and baby homes mass graves discovery, the cruelties and atrocities that come to light in modern days can illuminate the harms of "good" institutions.

    While I was living in Prince George, the Catholic diocese was forced to sell its land base to provide settlements for victims of brutality at its schools.

    Given my country's history, we have no moral standing to instruct Americans on its own legacy.

    Here's just a tiny sample of testimonies given across the land:

    Truth, reconciliation comes to Prince George

    One by one, the survivors of residential schools spoke into a microphone on Monday in Prince George and gave a glimpse of their lifelong pain and trauma.

    In Chilliwack where I live, the native peoples have made great progress in economic and social development in the last three decades, taking on more and more self-governance.

    An accounting of what led to death for the children whose remains were found is necessary, and local, regional, provincial and national media wrestle with the issues made raw once again.

     

    Unless bad legislation is still on the books, no matter how historically or culturally significant, it should not be in any way considered political, and certainly not in the context of a country with a proper existing governmental system.

  12. 7 hours ago, Peter said:

    TORONTO (Reuters) - The remains of 215 children, some as young as three years old, were found at the site of a former residential school for indigenous children, a discovery Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau described as heartbreaking on Friday. The children were students at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia that closed in 1978, according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Nation, which said the remains were found with the help of a ground penetrating radar specialist. "We had a knowing in our community that we were able to verify," Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Chief Rosanne Casimir said in a statement. "At this time, we have more questions than answers."

    The politics of archeology?  

    Discoveries of WW1 and WW2 era massacres and genocides must be dominating the ongoing politics in Europe… given the number of atrocities all throughout the continent, throughout history and the relatively recent past (last century or so)… I see no way it won’t absolutely dominate politics for millennia.

  13. 2 hours ago, Peter said:

    We have a small, 5000 watt, gas driven generator and a sprocket where we can plug it into our house's electrical grid but it is not enough to run our central heating and cooling unit. We have been considering getting a bigger, propane generator. 

    Here are some questions I have for a generator dealer and installer. “Service Today” is a local company, as is a company that has "Generacs."

    We want a generator that will power all of our appliances, heating and air conditioning system, water pump, and receptacles, though the washer, dryer, and oven could be excluded if they would cost much more. I think our house is 90 by 24 feet or around 2200 square feet. How does the Service Today’s system compare with Generac?

    What are the costs for various wattages of generators? 

    It will be powered by propane and located at a safe distance from the house. Where would be some good locations? What size propane tank should we get? The last and very recent power outage was around six hours.

    A system with a warranty and guarantee and checked on by Service Today just as the heating and air conditioning are checked a couple of times a year. (And /or automatically checked too.)

    Simple to operate. We would want the system to be automatic and to come on and off when the power goes off and then back on, and to NOT seep into the outside lines which might electrocute someone from Delmarva Power working on the lines.

    Will we need a new receptacle box and circuit breaker? We think that might be a good idea, because we moved into this house in 1978, and the electrical box in the garage has been altered many times over the years. We no longer use the baseboard heat so that could be disconnected.

    All good questions.  Also where to stockpile all your fossil fuel before its all outlawed by the lefties.

  14. 41 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

    SL,

    It finally hit, did it?

    :)

    Part of the challenge of the approach on OL (that is, not preaching, but instead, working through ideas) is how to cut through hardening of the categories when a person gets stuck in an eternal certainty loop based on a false premise.

    Sometimes we get lots of pages.

    :) 

    That shows that, not only can people arrive at understanding basic things in different ways, they can also have vastly different motivations.

    When those two things--way of understanding and basic motivation--go haywire, it's hard as hell to find common ground.

    After a lot of experiences like this thread, I no longer believe (at least not much) that one is able to get through to a stuck person from the outside, although I still try at times.

    But if you yourself (I mean "you" in the general sense, the reader) wish to avoid getting caught in an endless false premise loop like the one in this thread, I think the best thing you can do is check your certainties. The seduction of certainty, of being able to believe (or know) with certainty, of stating things with certainty, of following people (like Rand) who always speak with certainty, is so compelling, it's very easy to fall off into irrationality, then defend a false premise to the death.

    Recognizing this and trying to spit yourself out of it is one moment where the cognitive before normative approach is critical. 

    Neurochemically, I believe the main neurochemicals squirting during certainty are serotonin mixed with adrenalin (and maybe with a touch of dopamine and cortisol). This is a heady mix and it feels great. It's really easy to get addicted to this feeling, so it's easy to pursue it when unearned.

    That's why wisdom is needed to temper it. In the vernacular, this high comes from status. It's not about facts, but instead about feeling above others.

    When Rand said, "Check your premises," she could have just as easily said, "Check your certainties." (And she could have used this advice herself at times.)

    I'm not against certainty. It is entirely appropriate at times. In fact I crave certainty just as much as any human.

    But it's also like playing with a loaded gun. You have to be careful where you aim it, especially when you pull the trigger.

    No one is immune from the certainty trap (meaning being certain you are right when you are wrong). It is an equal-opportunity trap. It snaps shut on the stupidest people right on up to the world's greatest geniuses.

    Am I certain of this?

    :) 

    Well, yes I am...

    Michael

    Interesting ... I am reminded of ruminations on certainty I have had before... I think this is not experienced as as only a single particular thing... notice it is fully acceptable to speak of "certainty of thought" (as part of a cognitive process) but also speak of "feeling certain" (as a kind of intuitive circuit).

    I find when truth is truly the goal, being certain is a means, as one inspects a towering scaffold for stability, with each section build going upwards... as the one goal, getting into the heights, requires the means of the stability for the scaffolding... so too the goal of the truth requires the means of certainty building up from the foundations in the the hierarchy of thought.

    Sometimes intuition is a "short circuit" and sometimes the unspoken goal is not truth.  In either case, either what is being built is shaky or nothing is actually being built.  In this sense, a false sense or the serotonin of the feeling of certainty is the goal.

    In such a case the feeling of certainty is the goal, and half truths become the means... to enable the evasion which permits the feeling... and the valid process of cognition and truth are both swept aside entirely.

     

    So, certainly there is a sense you are correct and can be certain of it.

     

    :)

     

  15. OMG!

    OMG!!

     

    As someone with degrees in Physics, I have no idea what to say but ... what a complete and utter farce.

     

    There never was a paradox, Merlin admitted as much when he said in the OP he had a solution he would "give" later. [Did he ever really give one that was any better than what anyone else offered?]

    As mentioned multiple times, there literally is nothing to "resolve", only bad thinking or intuition. 

    The real problem is simply this: How does one address a fictional problem in a bad thinker's mind?  and how do you evaluate WHO WINS the prize for that sort of thing by any kind of rational standard?

     

    The so called problem was dismissed successfully multiple times in many ways.  Those who argued tooth and nail to deny the obvious revealed themselves with stark clarity.

     

    As someone who embraces Objectivism, all I can say is, credit to those here who were right, but you should all be MORE selfish given our finitude... one life

    72 PAGES????

    Unless you personally LOVE going through the explanations of rotation, rolling, translation etc, love making diagrams and VIDEOS... OMG MAKING VIDEOS!!

    in an attempt to show something to a select few who cannot or will not understand something???

     

    Life is too short, BE MORE SELFISH and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING POINTLESS ARGUMENTS. 

     

    Gotta give this one to jts, THE FIRST REPLY, even though only a sketch, it is true, and enough to dispell the idea (in a rational mind) that anything paradoxical is happening.

     

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  16. 1 hour ago, caroljane said:

    Just for the record, I am not the person I have loved most in the world, and I have certainly hated myself for some things I have done which I will always regret

    This is unfortunate, but not unique.  But you are defined more by what you DO, than what you have done, and in a sense what you attempt to do even if you fail.  With repeated effort, you become a person you can love more (with time).. if not the most.

    1 hour ago, caroljane said:

    Michael evinces hate towards others which he justifies by citing their evil.

    "Evil" certainly constitutes evidence citable to justify hate. 

    The more one loves oneself, and loves one's life, loves family and friends, and all the values one has and pursues, all the more hatred one could have or justify having toward the evil that exists and threatens all that which one loves.

    We all know (including Michael) that meditating incessantly or obsessively on Evil and one's justified hatred of it, is not conducive to flourishing.  BUT wholly evading evil or suppressing the momentary experience of the appropriate emotional response is not useful either.

    1 hour ago, caroljane said:

    I can understand and feel that too, but hate is a small part of my life and I try to waste as little of it on myself as possible. Righteous anger is too heady a brew to live on.

    You speak of wasting hate on yourself (or your life), best we all try not to waste life on hate, no more than appropriate in any case.

     

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  17. 8 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

    TG is right that in my world, this lady would always be safe. And I know that in her world, I would not be safe. That's just the way hate works. The haters are the ones who promote and do violence.

    BTW that was me.  :)

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  18. 7 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

    As the kids today might say, "Imma stop you right there..."
     

    Pacifism. "The necessary consequence of man’s right to life is his right to self-defense. In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use. All the reasons which make the initiation of physical force an evil, make the retaliatory use of physical force a moral imperative. If some 'pacifist' society renounced the retaliatory use of force, it would be left helplessly at the mercy of the first thug who decided to be immoral. Such a society would achieve the opposite of its intention: instead of abolishing evil, it would encourage and reward it." [“The Nature of Government,” VOS, 146; pb 108.]

    Ayn Rand; Harry Binswanger. The Ayn Rand lexicon: objectivism from A to Z (Kindle Locations 7074-7076). Meridian.

    There should be a word for properly peaceful, but that would have to have evolved in a society which discovered morality and the non-initiation of force.

    Technically "pacifist" is not the correct word to convey the meaning meant.

  19. 1 hour ago, caroljane said:

    Since you have not been shot, -as a decent person who does not deserve to be shot,- it is rather sleazy of you to imply that someone else deserves to be shot because in your view they are wicked and evil. In no way did you say this, of course. You have decided that if you were shot, however, she would wish you to die. Again this is the   Implication I derive. 

    I hope I am wrong.

     

     

    I think Michael is being ironic.

    1.  He's extending a "wish" as an Objectivist who knows such things to be irrational and ineffectual.

    2.  He is doing so despite the absence of reciprocation, which is contrary to justice and self-interest which is immoral to an Objectivist.

    So he is saying something untrue... but what he says is also VERY true...

    On an emotional level, he likely does "wish" Ms Johnson a full recovery (because he is decent), while at the same time observing the likely truth that she is not a decent person, and would celebrate his passing.  This seems quite reasonable given Michael's political views, and her views of what persons who have those views are like and what they "deserve".

     

    I get nothing of the "deserves to be shot" in there.  Objectivists are pacifists who never initiate or "wish" for the initiation of harm, we also believe in justice, in freedom of speech and freedom of thought, so you should not have any worries about what Michael means. 

    Ms. Johnson would be perfectly safe in Michael's world and would be equally safe in a world full of Michaels so to speak, while the converse, however, most likely would NOT be true.

  20. 18 hours ago, caroljane said:

    Is self-satisfaction strictly compatible with self- hatred, Strictly Logical?

    I cannot speak from experience (to your disappointment I am sure), but there is a certain consistency with those who are consumed with a hatred for everything on earth including themselves to be eminently satisfied, in fact proudly self-martyred (so to speak) with that kind of self-hatred.  How else can a culture of small envious people who vilify the rich or successful arise without a hatred of the good for being good... and hence at least partly... the archetype of that small wrinkled hating thing hating those good parts of the psyche within.

    The Canadian Liberal and the NDP might be already be worse than the Marxist-leftist wing of the US Democratic party, but darn it of those Yanks aren't doin' their dangdest to out Marx them Socialist Canucks.

     

    18 hours ago, caroljane said:

    And please supply a list of tyrants noted for their politeness.

    Any neighbor who would say "please", "sorry", and "thank you" to your face, but would have no quandry robbing you blind in your sleep to keep their party's corrupt politicians in power, squashing your right to free speech, or forcing you to risk your life with mediocre state run healthcare or at least trying to guilt you into not "jumping the queue" (as if one exists) by seeking healthcare in a freer country..

    The little tyrant next door, might smile at you in the street, but would grin at the chance to have you shackled and cowed by her leftist strong men.

    I need not list them, they are legion.

     

    I do not know you personally, but perhaps

    You might have seen that tyrant in the mirror, if you ever had the secret wish to force others against their will, not because they violated anyone else's rights but because you wanted to see them suffer, because you wanted to equalize their success with other's failures, you wanted to violate the rights of those innocent not because of their incompetence and disability but because of their competence and ability, because you wanted to knock them down a notch or two, for being successful... because you wanted to eat the rich, and strike out at the good for being the good, because you wanted to lash out in your own shame... or perhaps you no longer see that tyrant in the mirror,

    or indeed, perhaps in fact, you are one of the lucky few who never saw it.

     

    Trust me, as a person raised in a mixed economy, semi-socialist state, rife with a culture of altruism, and dominated by progressive education over the last 5 decades, I indeed was one of those tyrants in the mirror and next door.

    Now I know better.

     

    I see what you did there with the politeness.... quite funny.  I observe that the statement I have heard: "Canadians are polite, but Americans are friendly", as an aphorism is quite true, very much, most of the time.

     

     

    Not all Canadian politicians are as I allude to above, THIS guy can actually be quite impressive from time to time:

     

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