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  1. 10 hours ago, Mark said:

    Setting aside aesthetic value, does anyone here remember Rand  expressing annoyance from the copyright angle that some people were selling artwork depicting her characters?  Of course the first question is:  Was that happening?


    I don't remember ever hearing of Rand expressing such annoyance, but I'd be interesting in learning of any evidence that she did so.

  2. 22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:


    Vanity mars his efforts.

    Among his weapons of attack, he sometimes makes up something up that sounds like it could or should be true, and then he wants others to accept that as fact. When called on it if it is false, he responds as if he was being insulted, throws out his own insults, and doubles his efforts to get people to accept his wrong statement as right.

    Yup. Bluff and bluster.


  3. 28 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

    However, Rand documentably did call Maxfield Parrish's work "Trash" in a Ford Hall Forum Q&A, and no way did Parrish's work deserve that judgment.

    Exactly. It's documented, citable, quotable. Where is Mark's documentation about the claim that Rand called the work of her artistic acolytes "trash"?


  4. 33 minutes ago, Mark said:

    Jonathan just isn't thinking or he is intent on finding moral fault...

    Um, WTF?



    -- a rather common failing among "Objectivists."

    I'm not an "Objectivist."



    What I wrote was not based on rumor.

    Then provide a source, douchebag.


  5. 17 hours ago, Mark said:

    I’m not infallible and it’s possible I mis-recollected, but of the two
     A doesn’t recall ever ...
     B recalls ...
    which carries more weight?


    What carries weight would be you citing reality rather than reporting a rumor, inferring something that didn't happen, or making shit up.



    If A listened carefully to everything Rand said in all the Q&A then A carries the day.  But has Jonathan?

    The above is what is called "appeal to authority." It's a fallacious tactic. Your having listened to more Rand Q&As than I have, if that's even true, doesn't make your claim about Rand's "trash" comment and artistic leeches true.

    Cite. Quote. Provide evidence to support your assertion. There's no valid substitute to evidence.


  6. 21 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

    Glad you think so.

    The fun thing about Rand's theory of art is that it doesn't end there. The next step is for someone to delve into what is wrong with us and our senses of life for not adoring Minns' work. Probably Torres. If I recall, he's the one who has most enjoyed that weapon.


  7. 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

    This is why I don't trust Mark.

    There is only one use of the word trash by Rand in all her Q&A's (that I, or anybody I know of, know of--Robert Campbell would probably be the best one to consult), and there is no other specific contemporary artist she was asked about in her Q&A who would be capable of "trying to cash in on her popularity by selling art ostensibly related to her novels," ...

    I don't recall ever hearing of Rand being asked about contemporary artists/followers trying to cash in on her popularity. There were artists in her outer circle who seem to have conformed themselves to Rand's theories, but she liked them, bought some of their work, and I think she wanted to sort of groom them to be the leaders of the coming Objective arts renaissance.

    Cordair gallery didn't yet exist, and Newberry hadn't yet latched onto the "movement," so I don't know which artist would actually qualify as fitting the right time frame and of having at least some recognition in O-land.

    So, it all sounds like a mistake -- that someone misunderstood something, and now it's being reported as having happened, or possibly having happened, when it's probably just an unintentional game of telephone/grapevine/Chinese whispers.


  8. On 10/25/2019 at 6:54 PM, Ellen Stuttle said:

    This note is just a detail correction, a minor side-issue in regard to the Minns story.  You wrote:

    The artist about whose work Rand made the "Trash" dismissal was Maxfield Parrish.  Parrish was a deservedly famous and beloved-by-many artist who was by no means a Rand exploiter.  I don't know if he ever even heard of Rand.  His dates were 1870-1966, so he might have heard of her late in his long life, but he was a roaring success already by the time Rand was 5 years old:

    A number of New York Objectivists thought that Parrish's work had the right sort of "sense of life" and they featured Parrish prints on their apartment walls.  In The Ayn Rand Cult, someone - I think it was Henry Scoutegazza (sp? and I'm unsure of the first name) - was quoted by Walker as saying that after Rand's "Trash" remark "You could hear the bonfires being lit across the country."

    There's stuff on OL about Parrish and Rand's opinion of him.


    Um, who came up with the bullshit that the question about Parrish was about an artist trying to cash in on Rand's popularity? Was it Mark, or was he linking to someone else's site? Heh. Anyway, WTF? Slop. Never heard of Parrish? Um, okay, but even then, how hard is it to look up? And, seriously, how in the hell did the story get twisted so that Parrish, who preceded Rand, and enjoyed much more fame than she had, and still does, followed after her and was cashing in on her lesser fame?

    Is the rest of the article as sloppy?

    As for Minn's art -- eeesh.


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  9. And let's not forget Newbsie either. He doesn't think for himself. He's Ayn's little bitch. But he doesn't post here regularly anymore. He has flounced, and then come back, only to flounce again. Perhaps he's permanently gone?


  10. 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:


    And maybe William, who likes to speak for The ScienceTM and The OppressedTM.

    :evil:  :) 


    True, that. Billy does love following the herd on a few issues. Toeing the line. And his own recommended tactics of dealing with those who harbor silly beliefs don't work with him. He no like.

  11. 2 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

    It’s the end of the whole damn world, Jonathan! 😆

    Orange Man must go to war with the NATO partner who fabricates USAF F35 airframes, or, the progressives who think Teslas don’t use fossil fuels assure us, the world will perish forever!!

    Don't worry. Billy is going to save us. He has enlisted, and is right now packing up his shit, and heading over there to straighten it all out. He's taking printouts of his posts with him, and a PLS container full of tracers. Fuck yeah!


  12. On 8/31/2019 at 7:58 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

    If you stick around long enough, you will learn the nature of this forum, that everyone thinks for themselves and speaks for themselves, not for Ayn Rand and not for any movement.

    Except for Tony.


  13. On 10/13/2019 at 12:53 PM, william.scherk said:

    "We'll see what happens ... "

    It looks like the SDF commanders and leadership structure will be making sector-deals with the Assad regime. The reports of atrocities at the hands of the Turkish-supported TFSA are already rolling in ... there are no 'good guys' in Syria.  Russia and Iran are going to be the overlords of Syria for the foreseeable future.

    Previously, Syria’s Torture Photos: Witness to Atrocity

    -- in unrelated news, although the 'endless war' in Syria will not have US troops (aside from Special Forces) remaining to offer assistance to former catspaws/allies (SDF), the President is sending 2000 US forces to Saudi Arabia, which is waging a war against Yemen's Houthis.


    U.S. says reports of killing of Kurdish politician in northeast Syria 'extremely troubling'


    Holy shit, did you see that Turkish forces are attacking Kurdish civilians at a gun range in Kentucky?!!! WTF? Where's President Trump? Where's our military? This cannot stand!


    I wonder if anyone at ABC knows what tracers are, and how many are commonly used in a real-life operation. Nah, actually, I don't wonder.


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  14. 13 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

    Look at the Drudge headlines.

    Man, President Trump is cooked this time.

    Looks like they finally got him.



    Here are the people waiting for a President Trump rally today in Minneapolis, a Democratic stronghold:

    You have to laugh...



    I think that Minneapolis manchild mayor Frey played a part in generating the large turnout. I hope that he and the rest of the left continue to not learn anything, and keep on trying the same stupid tactics.


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  15. 18 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

    Fuck off and go answer Jonathan at your climate doom hysteria blog.

    Unfortunately, Billy doesn't have any answers, and, as Ellen has successfully argued, he doesn't understand the questions and their relevance to science. He doesn't grasp any of it.


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  16. 12 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:


    It was actually less than a minute. Here are a couple of screenshots.


    I took that to mean these guys think YouTube is demonetizing gays as a target group. Suddenly YouTube became homophobic (inadvertently, of course).

    If that's not the message, then the opening of this video sucks--a total communication fail. And that portends that I will spend at least a half hour (probably more) just to figure out what these guys mean. If it is the message, I'm not interested. That's a friggin' strawman.

    The space in my brain for looking at class victimization stories is full right now.


    It is indeed a straw man. It's Narrative™. Spin.


  17. On 10/2/2019 at 12:13 AM, Ellen Stuttle said:

    Are there plans underway for massive voter fraud?  (Would Hillary risk defeat a second time?)


    I think her sense of entitlement and self-importance is possibly enough to give it one more go.

    Another possibility is trying to pass the entitlement and self-importance to the idiot daughter?