Rich Engle

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  1. Wow, that was good, Brant. Needs said once in awhile, doesn't it? r
  2. We have have been through this so many times here and still you don't get it. No surprise that people are ignorant about natural rights: they don't exist. No one is born with natural rights coming with the package. Rights are human creations, they can be granted, declared, taken from you, etc. You can happen to be born into a system which grants you certain rights, and they may be called "natural" rights by those who created them. But all this does not alter the fact that natural rights as such don't exist for human beings qua birth. We should do a scientific experiment. Let's divide the earth into regions. In one kind of region, we let people who believe in natural inalienable rights exist as sovereigns. In the other regions we'll let you and the barbarians who don't believe in natural rights aggregate. We'll even give you a head start. You can keep all the material objects human civilization has created thus far. The cities, buildings, roads, artifacts, etc. Just leave us reasonable space on earth free from your barbaric grasp. Then let's see what happens. Oh that's right. You barbarians can't let us do this experiment, because then your guilty secret would be revealed, and your power would be eradicated forever. Shayne I didn't realize you were that much of a Randroid. That stuff is in you like tattoo ink. Barbarians. Jesus, dude, it's a nearly Aryan kind of zeal you have going there.
  3. Sentence 1.: Making a fair enough point. Sentence 2: Another textbook example of unnecessary snark. Again, I ask you: Explain the purpose for (in this case, sentence no. 2) that. Get you off? It's tempting, Shayne, I do know. It is about as tempting as me saying something about how attractive and natural this topic thread could be for someone like, um . . .hmmm. . . . . .you. rde There He Goes, Again.
  4. It's all about the New Narcissism<tm> Go put some sweat down and master something difficult, fucq-stick. Right? Does disciplined effort mean nothing? Why bother when you can be a %$*& and have your special, brave Moment. rde I'm Special, I Climb On Shit And Act Like Nature
  5. I've been around more interesting cockroaches. rde
  6. I grasp it quite well. I studied the theory of transfinite numbers. And in what way does it relate (in your mind) to your own finiteness? That's the philosophical part I'm interested in. The set of atoms of my body constitute a finite set of objects. Next question? Ba'al Chatzaf Ask and ya shall receive. Inquiry is the mother of truth. And all the atoms in the universe - do they also constitue a finite set of objects? The question is is the universe infinite? You can't know because it is beyond possible experience. You can address the matter philosophically, but all you'll logically do is end up back at the philosophy knowing nothing more about it than the philosophy per se. For instance: there is no such thing as non-existence; existence exists. It cannot be escaped from for wherever you go there it is. There is therefore a kind of infinity there for there is nothing to bound existence. However, lack of existence is not the same as non-existence. The universe is actually bordered by lack of existence, except we don't really know that--that is, that existence is finite and hence we are back where we started. Please also note that much of what I just said is blather. The logical conclusion? Infinity isn't worth thinking about unless it's a mathematical construct for mathematical purposes if so saith the mathematicians, for I don't grok mathematics on that level. --Brant A few things to note. What is Human, if we alter ourselves at what point do we become "not human". For example if I were to place a single Nanite in my body to replace a dead cell, and from that day forth the Nanite duplicated but only in such a way as to replace my dead cell's, at what point do I end, and something else with my memories, and my looks begin? To carry this further you said "As finite beings, I doubt we humans can grasp the idea of infinity.", this is because at our current level our minds are lacking. However if as I believe is true Mr. Kurzweil is right and we will shortly have the ability to "upgrade" our brains augmenting them with computers, this will greatly increase our ability to comprehend. As to the set of atoms that constitute the body being finite you fail quite horribly to see the implications of what has been discussed, why is it impossible to augment our body with new fresh atoms? Young cell's reproduce faster than old cell's. by implanting an individual's heart with their own stem-cell's which have been repaired (or even enhanced) to reflect the cells of a 20'year old's heart would change the dynamics of heart surgery forever. Young hearts for all. As for being able to know if the universe is infinite or not, we can and will know this. The reality is that the universe is NOT infinite. Infinite is a word we use at present to express something which is beyond our ability to know or comprehend, as we upgrade our perspectives on this will change a great deal. As for the universe being boarded by non-existence (which is another way to say lack of existence), this statement assumes a number of things, not the least of which is that ours is the only universe. Take for example a black hole, black holes do not lead no where, this would defy the natural law. Instead a black hole must go somewhere, is it somewhere in this universe? is it into another universe? is it a place between universes? is it all three, with different black holes leading to different answers? The term "Black hole" in physics is in fact a misnomer, a more appropriate nomen might be positive and negative vortex. With one side inhaling matter, and another extruding it. Your argument for the finite existence seems to be "existence in the human experience has always been finite, therefore existence must be finite.", this is a mistake. Just because something has happened in the past does not mean it must always happen, once man was a hunter gatherer, now he is not. Even if the universe one day "roles back" or "goes cold" that need not end our existence. You may not grok infinity, you may not grok all of what comes, I however do grok that. Can I fully articulate every bit of it? No, but to grok does not mean to be able to articulate, in fact if I grok heinlein's definition of the word grok, it means to comprehend something so fully that words fail to fully express what is meant, or in other words to grasp infinity. Like I said, we really don't know enough to support these philosophical statements, but we can talk and talk about them, even if not infinitely. We start with axioms then let science investigate reality by investigating it in its particulars. Generalizations can both proceed and follow this, but they are of differing degrees of tentativeness and are themselves tools of investigation more than valid assertions of absoluteness of the kind that pertains to the axioms existence exists and I exist because I have the consciousness to know it. Infinity vs the finite is only a semantical battle because the winner gets nothing usable because the axioms are back at the beginning of it all, not at the end. We work with the infinity of the finite only because there is so much to investigate the investigations will only stop when we stop. It is not that infinity exists but that it might as well for it seems to have epistemological value for the deep math guys. --Brant Ah, another Brave Attempt. You are a hero for wading into this one, Brant. I feel your pain<tm>. rde Let's get Atomic. After all, we are Radiation Romeos. Behold the 5-D depth of the Quote Function<tm>!
  7. I agree with Mike. Ignore that stuff. A lot of them enjoy being sniffy--somehow, they feel there is empowerment in it. rde
  8. Who the fuck is "Rick," and why is he fishing for compliments? This is all very confusing. rde I need to get back on the ether. Whoops, sorry Rick... I mean Rich. ;) Shayne Oh, you meant me. At least you didn't call me "Dick." Yet. Well, I certainly did not ask you for compliments, I never said that you started this, and I will pass on the dinner date. I was just mentioning your normal surliness. Now that we've cleared that up maybe we can let George have his thread back. Rightio! rde "Feel lucky, punk?" --D. Harry
  9. Who the fuck is "Rick," and why is he fishing for compliments? This is all very confusing. rde I need to get back on the ether.
  10. Hey, George--this is really working out, isn't it? You can build a perfect primate habitat, but that will not stop them from flinging their poo at one another. rde Don't you monkey with the monkey.
  11. See? This is what I don't get about you. It's not like you don't write good stuff--you do. But it seems to me that there is no way that you can't not inject that shitty tone. What crawled up you and died? It's so bitter, so off-putting. Do you have such a fundamental disdain for most people? Praise and positives come pretty hard for you. Hard way to go through life, I would think. On top of that, you even went so far as to make it your show, your personal thing, on what was clearly a very clean, academic and historical thread. But you couldn't have that. I ask you: what is the purpose? How does it serve you, or anyone else? rde For real, dude.
  12. Since all resources are limited, there can be no such thing as "unlimited" growth," insofar as the growth in question depends on those resources. The proper term is "indefinite growth." This simply means that we don't know what the limits might be. The universe is a pretty big place... Shayne Wow...that kind of profundity calls for a drink... I know. I almost cried when I read that. rde But Maybe For Different Reasons
  13. Ray Kurzweil is a rather interesting fellow, isn't he? I just got another Kurzweil keyboard, overpriced pains in the ass that they are. But I like them, because I like the way he thinks. Mostly. Who would want immortality? That is a real question. To be here is a unique, singular experience--which means just that. Heinlein wrote some very interesting stuff about longevity in "Time Enough For Love," and for that matter related things whenever he used his Lazarus Long character. I'll miss this all dearly when it is gone, but things move forward--I don't think I would want to arrest that process, at least not for very long. rde
  14. You still have whitebread, generic-Christian America. Most generic church-goers go there for reasons far outside of understanding and experiencing spirituality--they look to the church for some kind of "structure." They go there for a sense of community, and that's good. But by and far, the majority is not out to look under the covers. The homophobia, and fear regarding open sexuality runs pretty much as strong as ever. Most people don't get past nebulous concepts about the Bible. A vague feeling of knowing they are here and things happened before they were here. There is a lot of fear involved, and most fear, I think, comes from ignorance. Just like so much evil comes from hateful thinking, which comes from ignorance. Welcome to mainstream humanity. This all makes for good business. So of course you can talk about being academically tight on something like economics. But, you better be sure to go after those GLBTs, hookers, and anyone else that might open up things. All of this is the usual circus. What is going on at the higher levels, the elite levels, that is what is really fucking frightening. But quitting on trying is not a very viable option. Not if you have any belief in goodness--that the Universe is a good place. r It'll Be Alright<tm>
  15. Ghs on the tounge-speekin' 'n fish-floppin': I have no doubt that you have this point-on, it makes perfect sense. And it made for really good church business, on a number of levels. We still have a good deal of this going on in Florida, and when you hear the (totally straight-laced generic 'Merikun) people talk about it, oh, you can just see it all. Miss Grundy flopping on the floor, wailing away and hiking up her skirt. I guess they have to do something to get those sticks out of their asses. rde And what's up with another sjw slappy fight? C'mon, not HERE.
  16. I don't mean to call you a liar, but I find it impossible to believe your story. These go beyond the disputed stories about Caligula, which were spread by his enemies. I've met compulsive liars before, and have heard fantastical tales like you're telling here told to my face. It was always about getting attention. But if I'm wrong about you, well, sorry. Someone ought to tell you how your stories come across. Oh, this is not that unusual. Not at all.
  17. That's where I was at with it. And if if was so traumatic, there is little comfort to be had, other, maybe, than thinking about all the people that went through even worse; and they are there. That you survive alone is sufficient. You will dwell. And then you will stop dwelling, gradually. It will come back just when you thought it left. But always better if you work at it. rde
  18. I eagerly await, after you have worked, and of course, considered deeply. Changing the meaning of sex universally. K. Why fuck with perfection? That would be one thing. I figure you are either having too much of it, or too little. Balance is very important! I suppose boredom could be a possibility, but if so, that would be your fault, I think. Power tools? rde
  19. Best post on the thread, Brant.
  20. Best post on the thread, Brant.
  21. Basic illustration of problem involving coming on OL anonymous: rde Expect Nothing Fucqing Less.
  22. Depends upon what you call physical therapy. I'm planning on some in a few minutes, and I must say I'm looking fondly forward to it. rde heh
  23. George's level of scholarly statistical density/accumulation first escaped him, but now saves him, because that is what that shit does. You can have 4000 books but you better know where the good passages are. This is very good work, George, at least in my opinion--in that your work proved itself. Proved itself by pre-existence alone. The WordStar thing was cutting it a bit close. Please tell me it wasn't on a soft floppy. Did you hold your magnet on it and scramble the words? Did you? Hmmm? May I see your papers, please? In the meantime, popcorn: rde F**k that Indiana Mouthpiece-Thing Known as J**** PS: I will write the sig off to typos, were a bitch to ask me. PPS: George, will you sign a book for me if I promise to give you minor Daemon and Familiar Action, in advance? I am offering you advance services. If need be I will even wear a bad 3-piece suit and vomit single-malt scotch on you while channeling Clarence Darrow.
  24. What do you think drove Jim to attack you like that initially? What could have been his motive? Here's my speculation (though George can guess better than I can): guilt and psychopathology. People who spew viciousness seemingly out of nowhere have issues, as they say. People with "issues" take them out on other people because they are unwilling to confront their own problems. So I see projection at the very least. If he feels guilty about stealing from George but is seriously messed up psychologically, he might very well turn on George like a rabid dog and accuse him of being the true bad person when in fact... I can also imagine several other Freudian scenarios if I am the least bit encouraged... All roads lead to self-esteem. rde Punishing Bad Monkeys since sometime back in the late eighties.