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    That guy is a Christian Nazi. He should stay away from the holy smoke if he wants to be a rational holder of public office. I despise people who want to wed their religion to public law. Even with a powerful Episcopalian entity in England, there was some separation of church and state going back to earlier times, which was reinforced in the U.S. Constitution. Back then, you couldn't be an atheist without being lynched or booed in the mid to late 1700's but you could be a Deist. And the more intelligent of the West's leaders and intelligentsia called themselves Deists.
  2. 2 points
    I have begun to wonder if Obama is running the Deep State behind the scenes. He might be an Acting President, everyone in the Federal civil service working hard to oust Trump. Sort of makes sense. Obama lives in Washington. Be interesting to have NSA metadata on who he talked to last week, and whether he personally directed Lynch and Comey to bury the Hillary evidence. Anything is possible.The caravans were a stroke of genius. Motor voter registration and driver licenses for illegals. Yep. Recent history has Obama's fingerprints all over it. Rush Limbaugh speculated that NATO diplomats agitated for an FBI counterintelligence putsch to smear candidate Trump. No way. It was an Obama White House op, start to finish.
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    Sunny Lohmann hosts a podcast featuring Ed Powell and Ed Mazlish: youtube.com/watch?v=995Riq8JdUo
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    Many of them sincerely believe, it’s just that they want you to die, first. They want your home burned down and turned back to prairie. Then they can enjoy earth with a smaller, sustainable population. How many who oppose pipelines have turned off their pipeline? None. That would be suicide.
  5. 2 points
    Ayn Rand would never agree to open immigration from today's context, which is war. --Brant
  6. 2 points
    Makes sense. I wasn't thinking in terms of strategy and financial benefit re Japan. Jon, an issue I've raised before in your accounts is the "total control" bit. Can't be acquired. Brainwashing, blackmail, bribery, whatever - no method turns a human into a complete automaton with no power of choice. And regarding Iran, are you indicating that the Ayatollahs aren't in fact Islamic fanatics? Ellen
  7. 1 point
    I went back to page six on this thread and below I show some of Jon’s sources. I caution all readers of Jon’s to beware the X-files quality of his research. I don't trust him, his outrage, or his supposed self righteousness. Deflect. Scream. Explode. Attack. Those are his methods and I do not think he is fit to be on OL. But nuts are still fun to watch. Peter Here are the sources. RodSneaky. Storm is upon us. Tampa Bay dot com. The DC patriot.com/bombshell. Natural news. Huff Post. Twitter. News punch. Travis View. Gre search. Anonymous. Martin geddes. Real Jeffry P. Page 6. Frank report. Imgflip. Tony Ortega.
  8. 1 point
    Look at your sources man. RonSneaky? If you read it on the net or hear it on the telly, must it be true? Can you converse without getting emotional and worked up?
  9. 1 point
    You were viewing "What's Up With." Damn. You got scared.
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    Jon, tks, tsk. You are a naughty child. Might be? You said, "Might Be?" So you don't know. But you are just fine saying things without any proof. How do you know Richard Branson? How do you Richard knew NXIVM? People lie all the time, and they can EVEN lie under oath or they can fool a lie detector. You lack credibility.
  11. 1 point
    Very interesting. If you hover over someone's name it will tell you what they are viewing. I have blocked Jon but decided to engage him again. I can still read his "theories" by signing out and looking at content or activity. Jon was looking at . . . go see yourself.
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    Aha! From the site, Necker Island: Necker Island is a 30-hectare island in the British Virgin Islands just north of Virgin Gorda. The island's land is entirely owned by Sir Richard Branson, chairman of the Virgin Group, and is part of the Virgin Limited Edition portfolio of luxury properties. The whole island operates as a resort and can accommodate up to 34 guests, with additional room for , , , , So, if you own a resort and Che shows up, you are a communist?
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    When conspiracy theories surface I read them and listen but I withhold judgement. Show me the proof.
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    I went to the Fox link about NX. The dude left wiki in 2002. This is from that article. Larry Sanger, who left Wikipedia in 2002, said Wikimedia Commons (the parent company of Wiki products including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews and Wikiquote) is rife with renderings of children performing sexual acts. Sanger sent a letter to the FBI earlier this month outlining his concerns and identifying two specific Wikimedia Commons categories he believes violate federal obscenity law. The first category, entitled “Pedophilia,” contains 25-30 explicit and detailed drawings of children performing sexual acts. The category was created three years ago. Wiki’s response: “The Wikimedia Foundation obeys the law. In the weeks since Sanger’s published allegations, the Wikimedia Foundation has not been contacted by the FBI or any other law-enforcement agency with regard to allegedly illegal content on any Wikimedia projects. Our community of volunteer editors takes action to remove illegal material when such material is brought to its attention. The Wikimedia Foundation is proud of the Wikimedia editors who zealously work to keep the projects free of illegal material. If and when we are informed by law enforcement agencies of illegal content that has not already been removed through self-policing, we will take quick action to delete it.” Sanger contacted the FBI> So, where is the FBI? Why haven’t they swooped in and rounded the criminals up?
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    Does anyone know of any new legal charges being brought to bear? When I searched for NX I saw Goldie Hawn of all people had pulled out of a speech she was to give there, after an article about the group appeared. I tried to search for people who had been to parties at NX and went to a NY Post story and my computer when thud and I had to reboot. The UK’s Daily Mail has a story that two “wild parties” were held on Branson’s island. However, A Virgin Management spokesman said that 'there is absolutely no association between Sir Richard and the Nxivm group or its leader.' Branson reportedly denies even knowing the group or any supposed activities on his Necker Island. Most of the news sources that pop of with these stories appear to be fringe, fake journalism. Wikipedia is not hiding facts about this group as far as I can tell. I still do not see a tie in between NXIVM and Jimbo, or Branson. Is it possible as with the Goldie Hawn case, people are duped into attending something also attended by NX members? Or they do not know who these NX people are, at all? Why are major reputable news sources NOT running with this story? there are a few names mentioned below. Peter From WIKIPEDIA: NXIVM (/ˈnɛksiəm/ NEKS-ee-əm) is an American multi-level marketing company[2] based near Albany, New York, that offered personal and professional development seminars through its "Executive Success Programs". The company has been described as a cult and a pyramid scheme, and has also been alleged to be a recruiting platform for a secret society (variously called "DOS" or "The Vow") in which women were branded and forced into sexual slavery. In early 2018, NXIVM founder Keith Raniere and his associate, actress Allison Mack, were arrested and indicted on federal charges related to DOS, including sex trafficking.[3] Others associated with NXIVM were also charged with federal crimes. As of April 2018, five people associated with NXIVM—Mack, NXIVM co-founder Nancy Salzman, Lauren Salzman, Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman, and bookkeeper Kathy Russell—had pleaded guilty to various charges.[4][5] Raniere's federal trial began on May 7, 2019. On June 19, 2019, he was convicted of sex trafficking and racketeering.[6][7] Notable members[edit] NXIVM was founded by Keith Raniere (born August 26, 1960).[89] In March 2018, Raniere was arrested and indicted on a variety of charges related to DOS (a "secret sisterhood" within NXIVM), including sex trafficking, sex trafficking conspiracy, and conspiracy to commit forced labor.[3][53] His trial began on May 7, 2019.[90] In 1998, Keith Raniere met Nancy Salzman, a nurse and trained practitioner of hypnotism and Neuro-Linguistic Programming. The two founded "Executive Success Programs", a personal development company[8] offering a range of techniques aimed at self-improvement.[9][10][11] Barbara Bouchey was a client of Nancy Salzman, having been referred to her in 1988. Beginning in 2000, Bouchey dated Raniere. In 2009, Bouchey and eight other women ("The NXIVM Nine") confronted Raniere with concerns about abuse within the organization. That year, Bouchey left the group and later went to law enforcement.[91] In 1991, Raniere was pitching his business "Consumer's Buyline" when he met Toni Natalie.[92] Natalie and her then-husband became top sellers for the organization. [92] Natalie recalled that she was able to stop smoking after a two-hour session with Raniere.[92] Within a year, Natalie and her son had moved to be near Raniere; her marriage ended shortly thereafter. Natalie and Raniere dated for the next eight years.[92] In the mid-90s, Raniere and Natalie operated a health-products store.[93] In 1999, Raniere's eight-year relationship with Natalie ended. Natalie would subsequently claim to have been the victim of harassment.[94] In a January 2003 ruling, federal judge Robert Littlefield implied Raniere was using a legal suit to harass Natalie. Wrote Littlefield: "This matter smacks of a jilted fellow's attempt at revenge or retaliation against his former girlfriend, with many attempts at tripping her up along the way"[95][92] In 2011, Natalie filed documents in federal court alleging that she had been repeatedly raped by Raniere.[92]Sara Bronfman is the daughter of billionaire Seagrams chairman Edgar Bronfman Sr who was introduced to NXIVM by a family friend in 2002.[88] She in turn introduced her sister, Clare Bronfman to NXIVM. Clare Bronfman was arrested by federal agents on July 24, 2018 in New York City and charged with money laundering and identity theft in connection with NXIVM activities. She pleaded not guilty in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn. She was released on $100 million bond and placed on house arrest with electronic monitoring. [96] On April 19, 2019, Bronfman pleaded guilty to conspiracy to conceal and harbor illegal aliens for financial gain and fraudulent use of identification. She faces 21 to 27 months in prison and has agreed to forfeit $6 million.[97]Allison Mack is an American actress known for her role on the series Smallville. In 2010, Mack was reported to have been recruited to the Vancouver chapter of the multi-level marketing organization NXIVM, along with her Smallville co-star Kristin Kreuk.[98] Mack was arrested in Brooklyn by the FBI on April 20, 2018, on charges of sex trafficking, sex trafficking conspiracy, and forced labor conspiracy in relation to her role in the NXIVM organization. Mack pleaded guilty to racketeering charges in April 2019, and is currently awaiting sentencing in September 2019. Sarah Edmondson is a Canadian actress. After leaving NXIVM in early 2017, she publicly denounced the organization, claiming that she was invited into "DOS," a substructure within NXIVM operated by Keith Raniere and Allison Mack, and was branded with Raniere's and Mack's initials at Mack's Albany home.[99][100][101] Edmondson showed the brand in a New York Times expose of NXIVM.[99]India Oxenberg, daughter of actress Catherine Oxenberg, was introduced to the group in 2011. [102] At Raniere's trial, a witness testified that India had spent a year on a 500-calorie-per-day diet.[103] In May 2017, India admitted to her mother that she was among those who had been branded.[104] India left the group in June 2018, after Raniere's arrest.[105] In August 2018, Catherine Oxenberg's book Captive: A Mother's Crusade to Save Her Daughter from a Terrifying Cult was published.[106]Mark Vicente, a filmmaker known for the 2004 film What the Bleep Do We Know!?, began involvement with the group in 2005. Vicente testified against Raniere at his 2019 trial.[107]
  16. 1 point
    Natural News is reputable? Can anyone find other sources accusing or proving Jimbo Wales is corrupt? I have heard before about him being chummy with the Clintons, but he also proudly states he is an objectivist, and those two facts don't jibe. Richard Branson and Jimbo are both rich so there is that "country club pal" factor involved. I do wonder why Jimbo moved to London, but I don't plan to look for answers further. Until more evidence appears from reputable sources I will continue to think of Jimbo and Richard as "decent" sorts even though they both seem to be Brits now. Joke. Since I rarely look at porn I will Not hold Jimbo's porn connections against him. I remember someone mentioning the nude site Domai years ago and I saved about a thousand nude "artistic" photographs of women from it. It's artistic I tells ya. edit. I see my earliest mention of the nude female site Domai was in 2010 but I don't say which objectivist recommended it, so it could have been on an older, defunct site.
  17. 1 point
    I don't recommend a first strike at this time and certainly no nukes. We could flatten the country in a few hours, killing most of their people and destroying all bases and ships with conventional weapons in a week.
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    after a search of a few minutes, Jimmy Wales an objectivist who resides in London, seems to be a straight shooter and has had no hints of sexual perversion. Richard Branson? He seems like a decent “rich” sort and I could not find any real scandal after a few minutes of searching. He bought Necker Island, in The British Virgin Islands and his house was destroyed by Hurricane Irma in 2017. From Entrepreneur online. Richard Branson's 8 Keys to Happiness and Success. It boils down to family, friends, fun, purposeful work and money -- in that order. 1. Don’t measure your success by the amount of money you make. 2. Unplug and focus on face-to-face conversation. 3. Have fun in everything you do. 4. Find a hobby that gets you outside. 5. Dream big. 6. Learn as you go. 7. Be fearless in trying new things. 8. Make happiness a habit.
  19. 1 point
    An unsettling story by Casey Newton of The Verge ... on Facebook content moderators.
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    Jules, Take it to Parler and maybe Minds. Maybe even Steemit. These three are not nearly as big, but they are growing daily like the dickens. So you have a chance to create your public and watch it grow as the platform grows. I am not suggesting any of the the other alt social media platforms I sometimes talk about for beautiful photography like yours because they are 100% devoted to free speech and, as early proponents of free speech, got all the bigots and fringe people that were thrown off the major platforms (in addition to others not so bigoted and fringe like Infowars). I have accounts at these other places, but I rarely post to them because I have to look at some really goofball shit on the feeds. If you don't mind putting your beautiful photos in environments like that (Gab, Bitchute for video and so on), go for it. Believe it or not, many of these goofballs appreciate fine things, they spend money, and almost all of them have family members who do not share their extreme views. The logic of many people who are migrating to the alt social media sites is that they will keep using the mainstream platforms so long as they are not censored, but they are setting up a backup at the alt sites and growing them in a way to eventually become their principal social media presence. Once I start posting a steady stream of commercial content in a project I am setting up at places outside of OL, I, personally, will post that stuff to all of them. And if a bigot buys my stuff, I will say, "Howdy" and "Thank you." I won't do politics or discuss his crazy stuff with him, though. Even if he does Ayn Rand (as quite a few of them do). Michael
  21. 1 point
    I'd agree with you except she didn't spend any of it on me. --Brant disgruntled
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    Oh my God! A rich woman spends money. Call the police! Michael
  23. 1 point
    From Peter Wade in Rolling Stone: Ivanka Trump Cashed $4 Million From Her Father’s D.C. Hotel in 2018
  24. 1 point
    “Wales attended George Soros's birthday.“ This is much like attending Hitler’s birthday and suggests he could well be a fully made member of The Gang.
  25. 1 point
    From Owen Daugherty at The Hill: Trump campaign says it will handle foreign intel offers on 'case by case basis' 🦀 🐙 🦊 🦅 🦃 🦈
  26. 1 point
    From: Jimmy Wales To: Atlantis Subject: ATL: David Kelley on civility Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:33:13 -0800. Here's a fairly long quote from David Kelley that is directly applicable to questions about why a civility policy is a good idea on a mailing list which makes an effort to be creative, open, and intensely intellectual. From “Unrugged Individualism:” The Selfish Basis of Benevolence. p. 38: The forms of civility, and the broader realm of manners, are therefore dismissed by some people as arbitrary. "Why should I confirm to arbitrary social standards? I am an individualist." But while the forms are conventional, what is conveyed through those forms is not. If my argument so far has been correct, then it _is_ objectively important to acknowledge each other's independence in some way or other, whether by saying 'please,' or 's`il vous plait," or by some gesture understood to have that meaning. It doesn't matter which forms we use to convey this, any more than it matters which sounds we use to express a given concept in language. But insofar as civility has a communicative function, it does matter that we use the same forms. Someone who does not practice these forms is rude. We can assume that his failure to comply reflects indifference to what the forms express (unless he is ignorant, as in the case of a foreigner). A similar answer can be given to the complaint that the forms of civility are inauthentic. "What if I don't like the present Grandma gave me and I don't really feel any gratitude? Am I not falsifying my feeling if I say _thank-you_ nonetheless?" The purpose of that thank-you is not to convey one's specific feelings about the gift, or the person who gives it. Its purpose is to acknowledge that it was a gift, from an autonomous person, not something owed one by an underling. (If Grandma wants more than this, and makes it clear that she really wants to know whether one liked the gift, then one should tell her, as tactfully as possible.) Civility, then, may be defined as _the expression -- chiefly through conventional forms -- of one's respect for the humanity and independence of others, and of one's intent to resolve conflicts peacefully_.
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    From Kevin Poulsen, contributing editor at the Daily Beast: Political Hoaxers Beware: These Scientists Have Declared War on Your Deepfakes "It’s frighteningly easy for just about anyone to unleash high quality video fakery of whomever they want to smear. But researchers now have a tool to make it a bit harder."
  28. 1 point
    Poisoning the well? Psychologizing?
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    Peter, Actually, law enforcement is doing quite nicely. It's taking time, but law enforcement has been putting away many active pedophiles and is coming for the rest. In fact, just as common sense for not getting caught, active pedophiles would do well to tone it down and knock it off rather than go "trololololol-lololol-lololol" in the face of everybody. Michael
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    Ha! I'm not the only one to see it. Michael
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    YouTube lashed out, though. It will not suffer principle lightly. YouTube ends monetization of conservative commentator Steven Crowder's channel, several others after left-wing outrage Then some deeper intentions became clear--YouTube wants to ban--not just demonetize--people of certain thoughts on the platform: YouTube will remove thousands of videos supporting white supremacy, Nazis and conspiracy theories that deny the existence of mass shootings and other violent events (GOOG, GOOGL) And, of course, you can't make omelettes without breaking eggs. YouTube boots journalists seeking to expose white supremacists and extremism YouTube deletes award-winning history teacher's World War II videos in 'hate speech' purge Man are people pissed off--both sides. Everybody is yelling at everybody. But, as usual, there is always the real story behind the story. Youtube To Step Up Suppression Of Videos That Don’t Violate Any Rules, Promote News Outlets The deal is money from crony communications corporations that both advertise on YouTube and need audience. The ideology is a ruse to get at smaller news content creators with humongous audiences--the ones the crony communications corporations think they can get by cheating. Now why would they want to cheat, I wonder, I wonder? After all, they have the big budgets for their fake news. To answer that, we have to go back to Vox and see the real real story behind the story. This is why they tried to stir up controversy with a shitstorm at this moment. Some of the mainstream fake news outlets can't pay their bills anymore. YouTube wants to save them by killing their non-crony-corporate competition. When you look at the plot points of this unfolding story, you are seeing a Randian story play out right before your eyes. Add the philosophy, a Randian hero, and make the villains look a little more weaselier than they do on the surface (like Ellsworth Toohey, Orren Boyle, etc.) and you have a story worthy of Rand herself. Actually, the Vox dude, Carlos Maza, already looks and acts like a youngish Randian villain without any tweaking. Michael
  32. 1 point
    Pound for pound unborn baby parts are worth more. It's psych-ops to normalize later abortions( post 1st trimester). Threats of infanticide are a canard , a negotiating point to pull back from.
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    There are also those who know full well that it's a crock and who are pushing it mendaciously for population-reduction (and other) goals. Ellen
  34. 1 point
    Yeah, they're all still here despite their promises to flee to Canada. Words versus actions. It's much the same as people who "believe" in human-caused global warming, and preach it, but have a larger carbon footprint than the average person. J
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    Thank you, William. I looked around and, among people who I have been following, their opinion of ifastnet is not great. Most say its support sucks. If I understood correctly, it seems to be an Argentinean hosting company. However, I imagine for small beginning sites it is quite good. If the specs it advertises are only half true, it looks better than Hostgator. There are several places I've been reading around about hosting. There's lots of misinformation out there. (I've since learned that "unlimited" never means unlimited and specs always come with a hidden story. ) One of the most helpful and more reliable places I've found is a Facebook Group called "WordPress Hosting." They talk about a lot of different hosting companies in pretty good detail without being a place for geeks. I'm seriously looking into Incendia (https://www.goiww.com/) and Cloudways, although this last is still confusing to me. People say such nice things about it, but it seems clunky when I start looking. I'm still reading and learning, though. Michael
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    Brant, That's an interesting point. I could never see Rand agreeing with open borders during war time. That would be an invitation for enemy soldiers and sympathizers to walk right into the country without a fight. If the enemy uniforms would be a problem, they can change clothes once they are inside the US. I can't see Rand agreeing with this logically, practically or ideologically. But think about this. George Bush declared a "War on Terror" right after 9/11. On May 23, 2013, President Obama announced on that the Global War on Terror was over. That's a technicality. Still, I can't see Rand agreeing with allowing wholesale communist immigration to the US in an open borders policy. Ditto for Islamist. Taking the logical chain from there, you have to arrive at a conclusion that there is a reality-based need to set legal immigration standards if a country wants to survive as a country. Rand loved the US, so I doubt she would have agreed to its destruction by foreign governments using mass immigration as a weapon. I would love to call Brook stupid for his views, but he is not. In posture, he is an Objectivist, but, politically, I see him as a proponent of globalist values more than Objectivist ones. Michael
  37. 1 point
    Quote Mark: I believe Amy mentioned on the debate with Ed Mazlish and Crazy Stuart that her friend Sunny Loehmann told her how unpleasant Minneapolis was becoming because of Somali immigration. Amy has since unfriended Sunny.
  38. 1 point
    Don't interpret, using your bias. Read what the Koreans and Japanese think.
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    Those democrat buzzards talk like they have all had a few beers. They are belligerent, mean, and spoiling for a brawl. We need to fight back. We need to fight fire with fire. Are the Democrats getting serious about impeachment? Perhaps it is time for the President to “get serious” too. PDQ. For those of you in Yorba Linda “PDQ” means pretty damn quick. I am getting sick of Pelosi and company. Their obstruction is going on and on. They are hurting America. If there are crimes committed by Democrats in The Mueller Report the Justice Department should indict them. Sure Obama had his critics and lampooners when he was running for his first term. Where was his family from? Was it Borneo, Indonesia, or Africa? Was he a cannibal? Was he even an American? But remember how nice the Republicans were during the 8 years of the Obama Administration? Of course there was the usual political discord, but it was with the gloves on. It was NOTHING like the first three years of the Trump Administration. They hate Trump for his success. They hate Trump like they hated the Vietnam War. They are beginning an era of Lethal Politics, which may carry on during President Trump’s second term in office. Consider what tactics may be needed in 2020. And then, until the end of President Trump’s second term. Peter
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    Here's a little meme I just now slapped together. Michael
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    That episode was infuriating, but Ashley Judd was invigorating. She is, and was, beautiful. "Darmok" is the 102nd episode of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the second episode of the fifth season. The episode features Paul Winfield, who previously played Captain Terrell in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Ashley Judd in her debut acting performance. It describes an incident in which the crew of the Enterprise is unable to establish meaningful communication with the crew of an alien vessel, which is resolved by the struggle of the ships . . . .
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    This is the political criteria of the social media giants these days. What a joke they are in politics. Michael
  43. 1 point
    Let's have some fun with the electoral college. Hillary Clinton was extremely bitter about the fact that she received more votes than President Trump, most of them in California. Setting aside voter fraud, let's look at what the country would look like without the electoral college: Now let's look at what the good people of California are doing today to see who would be electing the new President if the electoral college ever gets abolished: Medieval diseases? Wow. Now that's a remarkable achievement. California is restoring ancient history in real time. Imagine being able to do that with the whole country. Michael
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    I'm sure you did clarify. However, since I've slept many times over since 2014, and I haven't worked in agriculture in 3 years, I have no basis on which to continue debate. :-)
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    Re Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorists, as the title says: Yup: I've been thinking about writing songs again. These days, I've been thinking about the title of my first in a long time. How about this? I Wanna Be Big Brother Michael
  46. 1 point
    S, Robert used to be a friend of mine and we are still cordial. It's a term of affection (even when we disagree). Lighten up. In fact, I can do this the other way. Why do you feel the need to do micromanaging PC language control freak behavior on everyone? You make terrible presuppositions about people you don't even know. Michael
  47. 1 point
    Port-a-pottie mouth Jon wrote, "Billy, is this you???" No. It was a ghost, Pepe Letendre, and you are a skunk. You have the soul of everything you have accused others of being. At the least you are psychologizing others and deliberately trying to initiative violence or coercion against others here on OL.
  48. 1 point
    The Fourth Reich isn't going to just give up Britain.
  49. 1 point
    Here is an enlightening post, which proves that all of you have been correct.
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    Samson, if you said specifically what you think the point is, I missed it. Or perhaps didn't understand it. Brant may have come close, but I often don't understand him. Since I missed the point, I will belabor it. It could be said that the farmer doesn't even have full ownership of his crop. There are rules about the disposal of harvest "by-products" just like there are rules about restaurant food that was prepared in advance but not sold. Even if the producers of those goods wanted to give them to the poor, they often can't.