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  1. 2 points
    I could, abundant passages, like approximately the whole book. But I don't have the time, and if I did have the time, I wouldn't want to spend it on so frustrating a proceeding - way worse than trying to explain a joke Ellen
  2. 1 point
    TG, No biggie. I just think Anthem would need to show things like heroic couplets or other poetry-related elements for me to put it in that category. (Fun fact that is neither here nor there. David Mamet writes his stuff in iambic pentameter. That's right. Glengarry Glen Ross, Wag the Dog, Oleanna, Sexual Perversity in Chicago, The Verdict, Hoffa, etc. are all in iambic pentameter. At least the plays are. I did his online masterclass in writing and I'm pretty sure he said his screenplays are, too. But don't quote me on that until I do the course again. I've tried writing in iambic pentameter in modern English and it's irritating. I'm gonna learn it, though.) Michael
  3. 1 point
    TG, That is a brilliant book. I've read it. And it was one of the nicest surprises I ever got out of a pop culture book (which ended up not being so pop ). McCloud goes into some pretty deep philosophy. I remember buying several books he recommended. Hell, I even got into a bit of Marshall McLuhan because of him. Michael
  4. 1 point
    Interesting take, and quite plausible (even if I don't think it has to be either/or regarding the epic poem argument). This is not unlike what happens in comic books/sequential art. Those interested in pursuing this line of thought may be interested in a book called UNDERSTANDING COMICS: THE INVISIBLE ART by Scott McCloud. He examines how comic book artists and animators "draw in the reader" (pun intended) in how they balance realism and more abstract styles. The more detailed, the more distance the reader becomes, and the more abstract or "cartoony", the more the reader/viewer can project themselves into the character or story. Sounds very similar to what Michael is getting at, here; even talks about the child vs. adult modes of perception. (And its medium is its message; it's done in a comic-book format. But don't let that fool you, it's very sophisticated in its approach.)
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    I want to take a different crack at this. I keep thinking it over because it nags at me. I want to understand and I think I have just come up with something that makes sense to me. The Inner Child Inside every man and every woman is a little boy and a little girl respectively. A child. As people grow older and mature, they carry that child with them. In fact, they mature on top of that child. They never replace it. As life in the adult stage is way more complicated than life in the child stage, the adult world and values is is where the minds of adults focus. At this stage, they rarely get the chance to see the world for long stretches as their inner child sees it. But that inner child is still there, just hidden under massive amounts of learning and living. One of the more charming aspects of Rand's fiction writing is sporadic moments of childlike wonder, childlike reactions of stupefaction, and so on. Atlas Shrugged especially has many moments similar to: Isn't it wonderful how much the mind can do? Rand used this emotion a lot while Dagny was in Galt's Gulch as a counterpoint to the more cerebral parts Normally we express this as: Whoa! or Wow!, etc. And our inner child feels good since it has been seen and allowed expression. (That's just one emotion. There are many that call back to the inner child.) Style and Message I think Rand went really deep into this emotional world with Anthem. But she wrote it for adults. I remember one of her comments on style in fiction writing was to wed the style of writing to the message. So I think Rand adopted the style of, say, an eleven year old without the faulty logic and distractions. This allows the adult to get into a childlike aesthetic trance more easily than if she had used a more adult style. Incidentally, something similar is taught in popular fiction writing. When you want the audience to focus on reflections, use longer sentences and bigger words. When you want to portray action and ramp up the emotion, use shorter sentences and less complicated language. Also, Rand did this in nonfiction, too. Look at the difference in style between her middle range articles (I'm going on memory, but I think that's what she called her philosophy writing for the general public) and ITOE Poetry and the Inner Child Now, switch over to poetry. The origins of poetry come from us learning how to talk as children. There's an excellent discussion of this in a book called Entranced by Story: Brain, Tale and Teller, from Infancy to Old Age by Hugh Crago. Incidentally, Crago used a term I like a lot, songstries, to mean the mental play of children of alternating event and reversal with sound patterns like rhyme, alliteration, repetition, etc. Listen to children and they go on and on and on like this. Massaging sounds with seesaw events (even when they don't make much sense, especially with 18 month old babies ) is the epistemological foundation of poetry, how it works, why certain rules won't go away, and why it is important to humans, so to speak. In adults, wedded to the memories of these sound manipulations are the memories of the emotions the child felt when he or she was in that phase. And this gets expressed in several ways. For example, we see an appeal to this emotion through verbal sound play in pop songs all the time. Almost all great pop songs have, oh baby, or ooh ooh, or something like that in them. (And notice that love songs say "baby," not "child" or "kid" at these moments. ) Poems elicit these low level childlike emotions through sound play, but poems (other than children's poems) also satisfy adult perspectives through the message, symbolism, cultural references, advanced vocabulary, etc. I often call this merge the meaning in between the lines. The Writing Style in Anthem I think Rand tapped into that childlike emotional world in Anthem, but without the sound play. Instead, she used an adult story allied to a child's way of writing. This would also make sense in the story since the people in that world were not highly educated. One of the most common ways we get to to see life through that emotional world these days is through poetry and songs. I think this is the reason people accept Anthem being called a poem at face value. They feel a long stretch of the emotional world they get to glimpse through poetry. Except Rand got there through style of prose writing, not through poetry. And this is the reason, I believe, people get so defensive about it when someone criticizes Anthem. They can't explain it, but they know they experienced some very special emotions and these emotions were just as real, even though dreamlike, as anything else they ever experienced. Also, nobody is going to fuck with their inner child! What has actually gone on with Anthem is that they got to experience an adventure story (love interest and all) with an adult message and with an adult's understanding, but with a child's emotional innocence. For me, this is a brilliant use of style--intentionally chosen prose style. It makes a lot more sense than calling the work "epic" like in Homer and things like that just to justify the word "poem." Back to My Evaluations Now that I have worked this out in my mind, the standard changed. I no longer use other books and poetry in general as a standard from which to compare Rand's writing style in Anthem. Instead, I use an eleven year old's form or writing. From this angle, I don't think the writing is bad anymore. On the contrary, it's really really good. Everybody can understand it. The aesthetic trance favors the childlike emotions of a more innocent time in a person's life. The style works. It works well for clarity and enhancing the intended emotion. That, to me, is the ultimate storytelling standard for style. Michael
  6. 1 point
    He's got a point. Day 2 of "Everyone Has A 'Theory' Week." -- Forensic Nose Patrol to the fore with the OL delegation! This was supposed to be Infrastructure Week, but hey. Good luck to all contestants.
  7. 1 point
    Something else to think about. No matter what anyone says about the Epstein death: suicide, murder, escape, whatever, there is one constant that runs through almost all stories, including most stories in the mainstream press. The message? Nobody trusts the establishment politicians to tell the truth. Nobody trusts the establishment press to tell the truth. It doesn't matter what they say. The vast majority of people distrust them by default and do not consider them sources of information. There is a different feel to this from before where people argued about it. Most people would think a story was BS, but the nest story was credible. This time around, nobody thinks the next story is credible. What's worse, this feeling has reached a much larger audience than normal due to the mass cognitive dissonance from the sheer absurdity of the coincidences. Everyday people are getting it. The establishment politicians think everyday people are stupid. The establishment press thinks everyday people are stupid. Finally, everyday people agree on something: establishment politicians and the establishment press have no credibility. Michael
  8. 1 point
    I said sandwich and TG ran with it. You’re not missing anything, I don’t think. TG took sandwich and jumped to that “Manwich is a meal” ad.
  9. 1 point
    TG is saying that it is pitiful how The Manwich Co. found poetry in a sandwich while you cannot, in Anthem. 😆😆😆
  10. 1 point
    For the sake of clarity, President Trump retweeted it. He included the video. Here is the original. To the reader, watch the video. It's funny as hell and when you add that President Trump retweeted it, it's even more hilarious. LOl... Michael
  11. 1 point
    I think he has been in a secret, safe location and not at that facility in New York they say he died in today. But bad guys don’t know that. Bad guys make a plan to go in and Arkancide Epstein. The good guys learn of this plan and they place a dead double for the hit team to discover. There’s no time to abort the plan, media is already announcing, picture with bad ears is already out. The traitors get punked right out in the open for any and all who can see, to see.
  12. 1 point
    Here's a thought I just want to leave out there. It's in the press--they are pounding the image of Bill Barr enraged at Epstein's suicide. (A word image, but even so, an image.) It so happens that Epstein taught at the Dalton School on the Upper East Side in NYC for a couple of years starting in 1974. Bill Barr's father ran that school until 1974. Was there overlap? Did Donald Barr hire Epstein before stepping down? What was the trustee trouble that led to Donald Barr stepping down? And so on. Here's the press game: These questions have been bouncing around for a while with a hell of a lot of contradictions and disinformation. Now there is this image of Bill Barr being furious. I don't know what game is being played because everything I can come up with seems so goddam dumb no matter which side is playing. But my gut tells me a game is being played. It's probably this. The rules changed and nobody knows the new ones, if there are any right now. Michael
  13. 1 point
    The President posted this today: Donald J. Trump Retweeted https://mobile.twitter.com/w_terrence Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen #JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this! RT if you’re not Surprised #EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily 2:04 1.3M views 12:26 PM · Aug 10, 2019
  14. 1 point
    I won’t know for sure what to think about those ears until the OL expert on all things batshit chimes in. Can’t wait. 😆
  15. 0 points
    This looks like an atomic bomb went off early/by accident at a Russian test site.