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  1. I went on a bit of a rant Tuesday in the waiting room at the eye clinic. The waiting room has one of those TVs which run health-info mini lectures. Used to be that the material was about eye conditions and treatment possibilities. Now it's mostly assurances about the (fictional) "safety and efficacy" of the Covid jabs. One of the segments pertained to pregnant women and there being "no cause for concern" about damage to the fetus. I gave a little angered speech to Larry about its being criminal to give the stuff to pregnant women. I didn’t want to risk triggering an incident, so I didn’t raise my voice enough so that I'd seem to be addressing the room at large. Just enough so that I could be heard if other persons in the room cared to listen. Ellen
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  2. From the AmericanThinker article quoted by anthony: “... the left has permanently trashed medical ethics in their quest to fundamentally transform America". The left isn’t in a position to affect the ethics of doctors. And I doubt that most doctors themselves are rubbing their hands together in private thinking “I’m fundamentally transforming America.” Just what are they thinking? That is a puzzle. It may have to do with what it takes to get into medical school. The process tends to winnow out independent and adventurous thinkers; don’t rock the boat, get straight A’s. And after medical school there is a lot of sucking up to superiors to get ahead. It all cultivates a herd mentality. They do what they are told to do. With covid and the vaccines they are acting as if hypnotized. The people at the top, though, don’t have the shabby excuse of evasion. I think they know what they are doing, and they are motivated by money, power, and the leftist mind-set. Long ago Rand recognized the fundamental nature of that mind-set. When she was writing her novels leftists talked about helping the workers. She realized the left wasn’t out to help them at all, it was out to destroy just for the sake of destruction. She called leftism “anti-life” in her novels and essays. Today we see that mentality naked and unashamed. They’re killing and maiming people wholesale, both intentionally and because they don’t care if they do. That they are going after youth and children is beyond horrible. First mass vaccination at any cost, then passports, then individually tagged digital currency – total state control of individuals, that is their desire. The totalitarianism of the early part of the 20th century in Russia and parts of Europe would be like the horse and buggy is to the modern car. We absolutely have to reverse this. The unvaxxed, the un-poisoned we should say, ought to act proud. Shame the vaxxed, the poisoned, for going along with the leftist program. Besides risking their health they are traitors. The “powers that be” can’t arrest all of us. Each vaxxed is a sell out. (This is rather off-the-cuff and rambling but I haven’t got time to compose something better.)
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  3. Here’s some more from a conspiracy theorist grifter , not good one either they seem to be grifting themselves out of their ability to grift , what the hell is the motivation for these grifter types , boogles the mind, effing grifters and blatherers https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/10/physicians_and_the_vaccine_tyranny_.html
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  4. Requoting with additional emphasis by me. (The underscore emphasis is Mark's. The boldface is mine.) I think that those pediatricians and primary care physicians and any others also willing to "jab" children should be booted from the medical profession immediately. DAMN THEM!!!!! Ellen
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  5. Now I'm crying, thinking about the young people and the children. If only one could just stop what's being done to them. Ellen
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  6. Trump's message is the proper way to view the January 6 capitol mess. The congressional committee to "investigate" that event doesn't see it that way, but I think most Americans are laughing at them. Michael
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  7. In Uttar Pradesh a part of India that compares in population to the 7-8 largest country, 241 Million people were treated with Ivermectin crushing SARS-CoV-2 while an adjacent state was crushed for not using it. Merck holds the patent for the bacteria in Ivermectin. It doesnt want to repurpose a drug when it can push a higher cost Monupiravir.
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  8. On the socio-economic level, here is some more garlic, mirrors, crosses and wooden stakes for the Coronavirus vampires in the castles. The villagers are starting to win. Michael EDIT: The tweet embedded in the tweet has now been deleted. And Disclose.TV on Telegraph doesn't have a copy, so it was probably deleted for some reason by Disclose.TV itself. At any rate, this is what the tweet was about: Southwest Airlines scraps plans to put unvaccinated employees on unpaid leave WWW.FOXBUSINESS.COM Earlier this month, Southwest became the latest airline to require its employees to get inoculated by Dec. 8, although it still gave employees the option to apply for medical or religious exemptions. Now let's hope that Fox Business doesn't delete this.
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  9. Lying to a corrupt and repugnant government? Hell yes, not only would I lie to them, it’s the morally right thing to do. I’d also engage in any psyops activity to fuck them up/gaslight them at every opportunity.
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  10. Deep Stater Colin Powell croaked. Colin Powell, former secretary of state, dead at 84 from COVID-19 complications WWW.FOXNEWS.COM Gen. Colin Powell, the former secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, died Monday at 84 from complications related to COVID-19, his family announced. The establishment idiots are even using his death as vaccine propaganda. How about he was suffering from Parkinson’s and multiple myeloma (blood cancer)? At least this is according to one report I read. As to Powell the man, I could not say it better than Dr. Michael Hurd did (see here) : Michael later added: Thanks to Dr. Michael Hurd for making this post easier to write and compile. And, as we all know, a lot shorter. Michael
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  11. "Not a clue." An honest answer, at least, since this person has previously admitted to ignoring counter-claims and evidence presented to him. And yet, he proceeds to answer as if he did: "And think about this: how far away from Rand has your mind shifted? " This is an argument from intimidation, presented with no justification. "...stay away from the online tabloids." Another shameful attempt at package-dealing; this argument treats all dissent from the official narrative as "tabloid", when, in fact, there have been many arguments presented here against the official narrative from what would be considered respectable scientists and doctors who were a part of that narrative, including Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA technology used with the Covid shots: 'Single most qualified' mRNA expert speaks about vaccine risks after he says YouTube banned his video NEWS.YAHOO.COM The man who invented the mRNA technology used in some coronavirus vaccines says he was censored by YouTube for sharing his concerns... Now, Dr. Malone is not some "holistic healer" with a degree in feng shue from the University of Tijuana: He's the INVENTOR of the mRNA tech used in the vaccines. He's not even saying don't take the shot: So, then, why ignore him and attempt to shut down debate? Well... This is not posted for the benefit of those saying "stay away from tabloids", mind you, since they have admitted that they don't even read the information presented ("lalala, I cant hear you!, morons, lalala!" he said, with fingers in his ears) , so they are in no position to judge whether or not others have done their due diligence, let alone actually address any of the arguments and information themselves. They also ignore the evidence of people recovering from Covid due to the use of alternatives to the shots, like HCQ and Ivermectin, which have a long history of use already and are demonstrated to be safer. To top it off, they ignore the lack of transparency on behalf of the establishment (not to mention even the proven collusion of Fauci with China, re the "gain of function research",and that the same establishment is telling your trusted doctor what to tell you) and that, rather than address the arguments and counter-evidence, they opt for censorship and de-platforming and intimidation to silence dissent. Because of these evasions, such people are easily dismissed from the argument. But it is helpful to look at what's happening here as a microcosm of the situation at large. Dismissing counter-evidence and dissent, not based on the facts of the argument, but because it strays from the official narrative reminds me of an excerpt from The Ideas of Ayn Rand by Ronald Merrill: "...this is inadequate; it refutes the arguer, perhaps, but no the argument." And I anticipate the response that one is permitted to dismiss the counter-arguments based on some "Peikovian doctrine of the arbitrary assertion." But, as Robert Campbell has pointed out, in his essay on the subject, the problem with that is, in order to determine whether or not an argument is arbitrary, one has to actually look at the evidence first. Now, if it were proven that the arguments in this case were arbitrary, then there would be more justification, but that's something that the naysayers have not done, and have self-admittedly refused to do, to refuse to even look at the evidence, let alone assess it rationally and objectively. But because they have not only refused to look at counter-arguments and evidence, as some so eagerly admit, with a sense of pride, but have also engaged in arguments from intimidation, I don't think they're even attempting to pull an "arbitrary assertion" line of defense. No, what has been demonstrated is more of what Rand wrote about in "Extremism, or the Art of Smearing". Just as the "moderates" attempted to lump together the John Birch Society with the Communist Party and the Klu Klux Klan, so does the equation of all current critics of the official medical narrative with "tabloids" and such. Such package-dealing is an attempt to by bypass addressing the arguments and counter-evidence by false association, and it is shameful, as shameful as the attempt to justify one's shortcomings in this debate by using the "argument of intimidation" of "you guys aren't being Objectivists" (while ignoring Rand's own opposition to forced vaccinations, oddly enough), when it's clear that the one abandoning reason and objectivity is the one who boasts of evading the facts and evidence presented by counter-arguments to the mainstream, while engaging in "arguments from intimidation", "package-dealing", and "the art of smearing." (And, most tellingly, when on the ropes, defends his inability to defend his argument with kindergarten-level ad-hominem of the following: ("you're a moron" and "epistemological duh-duh"... a step above "you're a doody-head", I suppose, but not by much...) And who else does that? The sham trials of the "kangaroo courts" employed by dictatorships. Anyway...let this be a teachable moment. The moral of the story: "Friends don't let friends be an enabler of sham trials and kangaroo courts and dictatorships." #themoreyouknow
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  12. Very well stated my man!!!!!
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  13. This Week in the World Affairs Brief THE PROFESSIONAL REBELLION AGAINST VACCINE MANDATES by Joel Skousen Ayn Rand’s classic libertarian novel “Atlas Shrugged” describes a rebellion of the productive class against the encroaching socialist state. Her mythical hero, John Galt, encourages the most productive and essential corporate leaders in the nation to shrug the world of socialist burdens off of their shoulders and quit—knowing that without their skills and innovative leadership society under socialism will collapse. All these hard-working people retreat to Galt’s Gulch in the Rocky Mountains and prepare to rebuild later. There are similarities to this theme now as some of the best people are forced out of their jobs over these totalitarian Covid vaccine mandates. Sadly, the vaunted leadership class that Ayn envisioned leading the way has utterly failed to fight against the lies and deceptions of the false pandemic. They have either joined the conspiracy as knowing conspirators or become mindless yes-men and cheerleaders for these ruthless vaccines and freedom-wrecking Covid mandates. Instead there is a small but growing class of hard-working professionals who do the critical work of airlines, hospitals, railroads and ferries who are balking at the vaccine mandate, calling in sick, filing lawsuits and even quitting their jobs rather than submit to this tyranny. Just as in her fictional writing, as good people are forced out, it is creating havoc with the economy as shortages and delays get worse every day. The big question this week is, “Is it enough and will they be able to outlast the Powers-That-Be arrayed against them?”
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  14. Ellen, That randomness is the insidious thing about these mRNA vaccines. Most, way most, people (in the short term, no one knows about long-term) seem all right after getting jabbed. Cases like Tiffany Dover are very rare (she keeled over right after the jab, and on public TV). Yet statistically a significant percentage of the vaccinated die or are horrendously injured. (Another day I’ll post some links about people injured neurologically.) As Dr. Peter McCulough points out, you are better off taking the chance with covid than with the mRNA vaccine. With proper treatment (HCQ or Ivermectin, Quercetin, Zinc, vitamin D, aspirin as an anticoagulant) your chance of surviving, and surviving just fine, with covid is virtually 100%. Even with no treatment at all, assuming you are healthy and take vitamins, your chance is better with covid than with the vaccine. But "they" – who seem to be practically everybody in mainstream media, politics, and medicine – hide behind the random nature of the vaccine’s effects. It would be better if it were cyanide, then its nature would be obvious. As it is, it is cyanide roulette. Language is very important in propaganda. As you (Ellen) say, it is not the vaxxed vs. the unvaxed, it is the poisoned vs. the un-poisoned.
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  15. The doctors administering the "jabs" could even be considered random child murderers, since the "jabs" will outright kill some percentage of the children who get them - and that's before the issue of long-term effects. Ellen
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  16. I don’t know enough biblical history and theology to follow the disagreement between Neil and Valliant but obviously Valliant isn’t exactly a class act. From the video: “What Neil Parille does, this is the jerk we’re talking about, the dishonest, lying, you know, stalker. I mean the guy’s got mental issues as far as I can tell, ah, huh, ha, huh, huh, huh, huuh.”
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  17. I have to disagree with the figure (though not with your point about natural immunity). Official U.S. figures on both number of cases and number of deaths are enormously overblown. Flu, mild sniffles, a bit of a cough…ah, Covid! Any hint of a positive PCR…ah, Covid! As one person I know put it, if you have a speck of viral material on your shoelaces and you tie your shoes, then wipe your hand across your nose, then get a swab test which is run through 40 cycles…ah, Covid! Similarly, if you die in an emergency room from a heart attack but you coughed a bit first…ah, Covid! Etc. Ellen
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  18. This says plenty. There are over 44 million people walking around with natural immunity in the US. Forget what the NIH says and follow the studies, they are MUCH better 'pre-vaccinated' than the vaccinated. .
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  19. I wonder what the parents that submit their children to the experimental jab will say to them about why they did it.
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  20. Ah, well. But there is a consolation due to your age. If you don’t catch Covid because of mistakenly believing you’re safe and dispensing with caution, you might live out the rest of your natural life span before the worst expectable results of the spike proteins and antibody-dependent enhancement hit. Ellen
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  21. Work shall set you free. Vaccines shall set you free. 1940's 2020's
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  22. No one even refers to people who took the "vaccine" as vaxxers, so why is there even this term anti vaxxers? Total freaking propoganda, and its all compliance and zero to do with anything else. Anti Vaxxers are the Jews Masks are the yellow stars Lockdowns are the Warsaw ghetto Same play different era. COMPLIANCE.
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  23. One more item to throw on the pile. After a while, this sucker is going to crack wide open. I fully believe that. BREAKING: NIH Today Corrects False Statements by Directors Collins and Fauci - the NIH Did Fund Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan WWW.THEGATEWAYPUNDIT.COM NIH Director Collins and NIAID Director Fauci both claimed that the NIH had not funded the gain-of-function research in Wuhan. Today we found out they lied. Dr. Fauci, the Director of NIAID, was under oath... Michael
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  24. William Peter claimed it was a scientifically accurate fact that lower vaccination rates directly correlate to higher case frequency and severity. I posted a link to a study that claims to have found no such correlation. You posted a link to an opinion piece that describes the study’s internet life and how people will share the study with no comment which proves their motivations as ardent hesitants er , Anti vaxxers. I asked a question in my post , so not not commented , now does that make me anti anti vax or pro or vaccine supremacist ? I read the study as presented at the link , I’ll read it again to see if what I think the study claimed about correlation is what I think the study claimed.
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  25. What's excruciating, the Left, its tame media, corporations and some fascist portion of the vaccinated (not all - many are also unhappy with bully tactics, they or other citizens losing their rights and free choice, to keep their employment and so on) have been politicizing the pandemic, lockdowns, vaxxes to the utmost for two years and Peter sees the declining numbers of "anti-vaxxers" - as the culprits! There's the cause and effect you're reversing, Peter. The "Left" has been the *predominant* (not altogether, exclusive) cause of Everything in the past 7 or so years. Political, cultural, social, activist, moral, philosophical. What you believe you observe ("been politicized") are the flurries of resistance by individuals, like the many little waves in a powerful tidal bore dragging everyone out to sea. (To Socialism). Whatever some find too complex to rationally and effortfully unravel will be safely written off as "conspiracy theory". As if there cannot be anyone colluding with anyone else and with many other collaborators in all this.
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  26. Yup, face like a can of crushed assholes…
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  27. He removed his mother from a long term care facility immediately before issuing the order to move covid positive patients back into long term care facilities in Pa. And now in bizzaro world , he is the highest 'ranking' 'female' medical fucking admiral whatever the fuck that is, yeah fucked
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  28. Are the people trying to use Colin Powell's death as vaccine propaganda aware that and saying that he was fully vaxxed? His death is among the prominent ones which are bad sales material for the "vaccines" cause. Ellen
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  29. The flu d'etat has zero to do with anything but compliance. This is a world war, and has zero to do with anything but that. Thats your starting point Peter, then everything else will fall in place.
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  30. Peter, That - "I am not for mandates" - takes priority for me. In return, I am for vaccinations. A false dichotomy you're aware of. We may argue "the science", but that's a separate matter. As I've constantly said, vaccines are still better than nothing, at very least a fairly safe port in the storm, for us and all ageing (etc.) individuals. They apparently have enough efficacy for anyone who knows they need vaccinating or simply want it. In my case and having a pretty good metabolism and resistance to diseases - I've not had flu for as long as I can recall - and I'm sure I'd cope with Covid (if I've not already asymptomatically caught it) but growing older and undoubtedly, gradually getting immuno-compromised, my choice would have been to wait a year or so. This bug will be around for a while. That I won't be allowed a choice and freedom to decide, as with the healthful many who would do fine without vaxxing, is abhorrent. Covid and all the un-needed measures that were forced along with it, have lost us freedom.
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  31. President Trump weighs in. Heh heh heh... Michael
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  32. Our new episode is an interview with Richard Ebeling, the BB&T Distinguished Professor of Ethics and Free Enterprise Leadership at The Citadel military college. We discuss how he was introduced to Objectivism, his role in discovering the lost works of Ludwig von Mises, and his new article on Marxo-Nazism. Check it out!
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  33. Looks most helpful. From a glimpse: The "elephant in the room", natural herd immunity, has indeed been ignored if not scorned (From the start). This makes one wonder if a country's health is *actually* what matters most. Or is it more, grabbing power, when the whole world is morally (etc.) uncertain, afraid and fragile? (Rhetorical). Not an article by an ARI O'ist, shamefully. The ARI bunch have still not, that I'm aware, come out unequivocally against Vaxx blackmail, and YB hasn't admitted his blunder implicitly nor explicitly. Instead has been doubling down, covering his tracks, from what I've heard. About ready for another pertinent ARIWatch column...?
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  34. More to the point "mandate" is now a euphemism for mandate. It's mandate de facto not de jure, large swaths of the 'public' fail to make the proper distinction and fall to the proverbial lemmings' fate. Along with power lust it seems to be a feature of human nature both of which John Galt wanted to reduce to a bug.
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  35. "Mandate" is now euphemistic and synonymous with career-ending, social pressure, psychological intimidation, Govt. coercion. I think I'll stop using the word. This is vaxx blackmail.
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  37. Like, there are no atheists in a vaxx-hole? ouch
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  38. Spaghetti monster is your friend from above.
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  39. Thanks for that correction and the rest. The parents are to be deeply sympathized with in making such contentious choices for the immediate and long term good of their children. I would never criticize and second-guess anyone's choice - either way - it's the fact that they are being compelled and were placed in that invidious position of *no choice*, I'm mad about. Religious exemptions, fine. But I am disturbed that this may be the last line of defense against public/Gvt. intrusion into the people's bodies and lives. ("We will nobly grant this special favor for you religious types only") On that risk-benefit ratio for adolescents, in my opinion the equation may be reduced to: What is known now (the small dangers of Covid to a kid without comorbidities) versus What is unknown in future (the potential, possibly cumulative health consequences of vaccines over a lengthy period, his/her lifespan i.e., myocarditis, for one concern always raised).
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  40. "the problem with that is, in order to determine whether or not an argument is arbitrary, one has to actually look at the evidence first". Excellent. Something I've wanted to do recently is re-read with improved understanding, hopefully, R. Campbell's essay (a pity your link doesn't open but I can find it on OL). To my mind, there have been too many instant, out of hand, dismissals by Objectivists, lately, largely of the simple type: "Conspiracy theory!! Heh! Ignore!" Also, what one could call a "from whence it comes" refutation. He/she said this, (probably a conservative and Christian) - it was published in ABC (a conservative newspaper or other media) - therefore do not waste your time or bother to read and consider any further . Otoh, THIS came from e.g. the NYT, so commands immediate validity and respect. I have regularly wondered how much Peikoff's arbitrary assertion doctrine has affected this (what one can only call) dismissive, lazy, prejudiced, and sometimes, arrogant mode of thinking. Whether by misinterpreting his theory or by interpreting it very well...
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  41. This is exactly what I was trying to avoid, Amy Farrah Fowler and let's leave it at that.
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  42. Why did you give a smile like to the post by Peter you were quoting? Ellen
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  43. The AMA is a woke joke. Go to their website most of their efforts are focused on equity(medicine via marxist/racism). They promote vaccine mandates , and mandates of experimental substances , they promote the use of non approved vaccines with the misleading proviso that Pfizer vaxxes are fully approved, the truth is one Pfizer product is fully approved, meaning that a recipient of said product which have legal recourse in the case of harm or negligence, but that recourse is not afforded to recipients of the EUA/ experimental products which are the only ones currently available. They are an organization of marxist obfuscators. Do not believe me, go to their publications and statements and judge for yourself. If your doctor belongs to a hospital group or needs admission privileges to practice, they are beholden to the strictures of 'standard of a care' any deviation from those strictures have serious professional and financial repercussions. If you are familiar with the standards and agree with them and realize your doctor is following them irrespective of their personal medical opinions then you are acting rationally. But if you are acting on your doctor's 'advice' without regard to how they are formulating their 'advice' , you are acting on the principle of argument from authority and have removed yourself from the rational realm. People lie all the time , a lot, for loads of reasons , all the time, that's reality.
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  44. You are so far behind on truths which have emerged, you're a wonderment in your ability to keep your head resolutely glued in the sand. "Just don’t look." Ellen
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  45. Here's another problem area where the Deep State is unraveling. and I wish rallying were like a remote control button where you push it and people immediately take up arms or whatever they need to do, but it's more like a crop growing that needs several seasons before the good stuff happens. I believe America is getting to that point. And even then, it's not a complete break. However, I believe in America and Americans when they get riled for real. I think this problem is going to be taken care of in the foreseeable future. Michael
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  46. This kind of argument is half-right, as far as it goes; "half-right" because it omits the intrusion of government into free enterprise. The government over-reach of mandates, even if only implied, and the threats against businesses that don't comply, threaten to take out the element of choice for both the business and consumer. (Such as when cities or even entire states require ALL businesses and schools to requires masks or vaccinations, eliminating the choice altogether while imposing penalties for non-compliance, which is the key word, here). In such cases (and excluding the examples of drunken passengers and the like, which was a shameful attempt of the original post at package-dealing), there may be legitimate cases for rational civil disobedience, dependent upon context. On this, Rand has a good discussion of rational civil disobedience vs. the kind practiced by the "student rebellion" of the 60's (which are comparable to the Antifa/BLM riots of today). Her analysis, couple with her comments on the validity of quarantine of the contagious vs. the evil of forced vaccinations of the healthy, are appropriate, here; it's a safe bet that she would have argued for civil disobedience regarding the latter (again, in context of not violating rights, but as challenging the abrogation of rights by overbearing government, and when they take away free competition and choice). And her concluding line is both prescient and unfortunate, but all-too-applicable, today: "Politically, mass civil disobedience is appropriate only as a prelude to civil war—as the declaration of a total break with a country’s political institutions." On that, one more quote from Rand on "Defiance" and civil war: "A dictatorship cannot take hold in America...Not yet." Now, Rand said that in 1971, in the context of that time. Fast forward to 2021, in the context of our time, and those words are sadly outdated, now...
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  47. Catturd on Gab: '' - Gab Social GAB.COM Catturd on Gab: 'BREAKING: Judge orders Chicago’s Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara to stop making public comments... BREAKING: Judge orders Chicago’s Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara to stop making public comments encouraging his members to defy the city’s COVID vaccine mandates - WMAQ
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  48. Wendy Rogers just came out (via one of her email blasts) with a similar explanation of what Trump said vs. what it was claimed he meant: Rogers: "President Trump had it right! [quoting Trump]: “If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.” Rogers again: "Mind you, President Trump wasn't telling anyone not to vote. He was saying, people won't vote unless they know their vote will be counted fairly. "
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  49. Our new episode is an interview with Gennady Stolyarov II, a longtime fan of Rand who is now the chairman of the Transhumanist Party, a political group that supports policies favoring life extension research and technology, with the goal of eliminating the problems of aging and death so people can live healthy, immortal lives. Check it out!
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  50. Emerald raises a good question. Where can one get reliable (verifiable) information about possible nanoparticles and graphene oxide in the coronavirus vaccines? I don't mean opinions or simple statements. I mean information that can be checked. Michael
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