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William,

Some of that was funny.

I didn't make the TV rounds on this, so I hadn't seen any of it.

To be honest, I find the pundits discussing this thing in a manner of trying to make this or that point just as distasteful as I found all that cheering and whistling--and Obama's playing to the crowd.

This public stuff had to happen, I guess. I don't see how it couldn't. I think the reason I didn't watch it until now is the bad taste political agendas that exploit tragedies leave in my mouth .

I can't think about the massacre without feeling an enormous sadness. All this other stuff doesn't fit into that frame.

I'll be glad when it all stops.

Michael

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Obama must have know before hand about the logo and shirts-he could have stopped it.

Pippi,

I don't know whether he knew or not. They look like the product of an effort to suck up to him.

But, you're right, if he'd objected, the shirts would have been put away.

Did they hand out shirts at the Fort Hood memorial? No. Was it even televised? Twice as many people died in that tragedy.

Well, we know that the Obama administration would definitely prefer not to talk about the Fort Hood massacre.

Fort Hood is not like the basketball arena at the University of Arizona. It's not under the control of a university president.

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Yes Robert-it is like Fort Hood didnt even happen with the almost complete silence of Washington and the media, creepy.

Didn't Obama get in everyone's face after Fort Hood that we shouldn't rush to judgement and the media complied?

He should have done the same thing here but no he let it go viral-probably with his blessing, no not probably definitely I am sure.

Here is a link to a story and discussion on the blaze about this subject.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rush-az-memorial-t-shirt-slogan-came-from-dncs-organizing-for-america/

I am sure either Obama or one of his people knew about the shirts-he could have had them removed, the whole event was more like a pep rally than a memorial service as Michael pointed out, shameful.

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Did they hand out shirts at the Fort Hood memorial? No. Was it even televised?

Yes.

Here is the full hour and a half programme, as recorded from Fox News. I did not see a t-shit handout, but there were some extremely undignified hugs, very disturbing. There was also a round of cheering, loud applause and whistling when your President was announced. Totally disgusting. Rang a bell. Made flesh creep.

The unseemliness is all over the place, pippi. Fast forward to 36:32 and have a big shudder.

For those who enjoy critiquing funerals and memorials, here is Justin Trudeau eulogizing his father at the funeral mass in Montreal. If you make it to the end, you can hear the crowd erupt in applause. They clapped and clapped as he left the lectern and sobbed on the casket. Most people understood where the applause came from, but a small rump of folk preferred to tut-tut about decorum, talk about the younger Trudeau's showboating and speculated that he was using his grief to make a political point. So, don't think I single you out for odium, pippi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dBZOslTuxM&NR=1

I had thought Chris Baker's 'who gives a fuck' reaction to the massacre in Tucson was the worst example of sociopathy on OL, and it is, but the "let us loathe" petition by pippi rivals that reaction in partisan hatefulness and myopia.

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I don't find it morally wrong so much as really, really, creepy. The t-shirts send a message and force the expression of artificial solidarity. There is definitely an unhealthy acceptance of group think going on.

Palin's speech about the shooting she spends a lot of time talking about how America is a Light unto the Nations, an exceptional people who can overcome all tragedy, etc etc. Has the economic crises made Americans so insecure that they now require cuddling at every turn?

Obama's rise to the presidency seems similar. Empty rhetoric which reassures the community that it is safe when it is anything but, united when it is critically fractured.

Somewhat related to this trend is Chris Hedges' book, "Empire of Illusion". It is an exploration of the American flight into fantasy in the wake of the economic melt down, deracination of the working class, and steady erosion of American values.

A long but interesting Hedges interview

"Creepy" is the adjective one uses to name the emotion evoked by precisely this sort of cynical, ghoulish immorality

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This just came out on The Blaze (see here).

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According to Rush, they delayed the memorial service until the results from the opinion polls came in. This was apparently to inform Obama which way he should slant his speech.

They also had to wait for the tee shirts to finish being printed. Rush has pictures of the organizers putting tee shirts on the chairs before the ceremony.

From the way Obama has done everything else, this sounds perfectly in line with his standard MO.

Rush did have a point about the following, that Obama overused the word "but." That way he didn't commit himself to anything while sounding poetic. ("We Americans are yada yada yada, BUT yada yada yada.) I noticed that myself during the speech. Every characterization was qualified in such a manner as to neutralize it.

This was also part of the "mourning," for what it's worth...

Michael

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I had thought Chris Baker's 'who gives a fuck' reaction to the massacre in Tucson was the worst example of sociopathy on OL, and it is, but the "let us loathe" petition by pippi rivals that reaction in partisan hatefulness and myopia.

How Mr Shirk? Most replies agree with me, don't lump me in with the sociopathy of Chris on the massacre thread (I thought what he posted was very disturbing)- this is NOT the same.

As I said before if you dont like me DONT READ MY POSTS!

Do you ever come up with an original thought or get excited about anything other than mocking people on internet message boards?

You are a sad little man Mr. Shirk. Please do not respond.

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I had thought Chris Baker's 'who gives a fuck' reaction to the massacre in Tucson was the worst example of sociopathy on OL, and it is, but the "let us loathe" petition by pippi rivals that reaction in partisan hatefulness and myopia.

How Mr Shirk? Most replies agree with me, don't lump me in with the sociopathy of Chris on the massacre thread (I thought what he posted was very disturbing)- this is NOT the same.

As I said before if you dont like me DONT READ MY POSTS!

Do you ever come up with an original thought or get excited about anything other than mocking people on internet message boards?

You are a sad little man Mr. Shirk. Please do not respond.

Says the loud-mouth bitch with a gun.

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Robert/Michael:

Are you discounting this connection to the 2008 O'bama campaign?

"Together We Thrive By John Berry IV - Feb 11, 2008 12:49:37 AM ET Also listed in: Collin County for Obama | Obama Dallas For too long Americans have been set one against the other, it is a side affect of a free market society. How can profits be maximized, how can I get the work done for the lowest possible costs. This continually sets one group against the other, especially in the blue collar sectors of America. It has become a part of the American Business model, whether it was indentured servants, slaves picking cotton, sharecroppers, the industrious people that built the railroads or todays migrant workers. As long as we remain divided, fighting for the scraps that America has to offer it will be one group against the other.

What I see in Obama is a chance for a revolution. A chance for every group to participate and be heard; A chance to live the American dream that has been denied to so many. Together we can and will change the world and return America to the shining beacon of Hope and Prosperity that we were and that we can be again. Only when we work together do we accomplish feats that rival any ever accomplished in the history of mankind. Diversity is our strength, that is what this campaign brings us a promise of. For many this is a scary prospect and thought, getting to know someone different from myself. We all want the same basic things for example a safe place to live, health and a quality education for our kids.

In a previous career, I was the global leader of Diversity for a global fortune 500 corporation, I have studied the affects of diverse groups working together and the results can not be denied. Together we Thrive!!!!!!!!!!! "

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Selene, was this an official widespread slogan or just something thought of by an Obama supporter who happened to post it on the DNC's obamarocks.com blog?

The reason why I ask is (to use statistics I just invented) the word "together" is used in 72% of political slogans, "we" is used in well over 80% and thrive is used in 15%.

It seems to me the slogan on the t-shirts could very well have originated independently of one pro-Obama blog.

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Pippi, regarding what can be done about the constant spin and propaganda, I think the answer is nothing.

There are tens of thousands of people whose extensive training and intelligence are geared around the spin of every irrelevant detail for their corporate, religious, ethnic and political masters. There are tens of thousands of media careerists - slaves of which ever spin doctors offer the biggest gift basket - whose job it is to further spin the spin until up is left and down is green. Did what I just said make no sense? Glad you're with me.

In order to keep their job and get promoted they have to exaggerate petty conflicts into cosmic battles, cover up whatever facts there masters want covered up and reduce american dialog to something lower than a WWF match.

It gets more viewers, more advertising funds and voters the more they push 'the news' into a circus.

This is why more and more people are looking at Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, they are outside the system and can point to its idiocracy.

CNN's Spin Machine, "Cross Fire" was knocked off the air by Jon in 10 minutes flat because of these issues. See it here -

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According to Rush, they delayed the memorial service until the results from the opinion polls came in. This was apparently to inform Obama which way he should slant his speech.

They also had to wait for the tee shirts to finish being printed. Rush has pictures of the organizers putting tee shirts on the chairs before the ceremony.

Michael

This is beyond scary if it's true-especially the first part.

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Selene, was this an official widespread slogan or just something thought of by an Obama supporter who happened to post it on the DNC's obamarocks.com blog?

The reason why I ask is (to use statistics I just invented) the word "together" is used in 72% of political slogans, "we" is used in well over 80% and thrive is used in 15%.

It seems to me the slogan on the t-shirts could very well have originated independently of one pro-Obama blog.

From what I read it was done by a student group at the university.

Also, what does "Together We Thrive" have to do with a memorial service for shooting victims?

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CNN's Spin Machine, "Cross Fire" was knocked off the air by Jon in 10 minutes flat because of these issues. See it here -

Wow, you could almost taste how much Stewart hated those men. Is he still this good?

The video was awhile ago and I was under the impression he was just another Obama worshipper.

Thanks Joel

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Selene, was this an official widespread slogan or just something thought of by an Obama supporter who happened to post it on the DNC's obamarocks.com blog?

The reason why I ask is (to use statistics I just invented) the word "together" is used in 72% of political slogans, "we" is used in well over 80% and thrive is used in 15%.

It seems to me the slogan on the t-shirts could very well have originated independently of one pro-Obama blog.

Joel:

It is possible that it is just a coincidence. However, I know about his campaign and I know people from the Democratic Party who I have worked with in the past few decades and who worked in his campaign.

Therefore, with that knowledge, I would not believe that this was any type of coincidence.

Adam

This is from the Canadian Free Press.

Organizing for America

Theme of “Together We Thrive” T-shirt came from Obama’s Organizing for America

By Judi McLeod Friday, January 14, 2011 The “Together We Thrive” T-shirts that starred at Wednesday’s Arizona `Memorial’ originated from Organizing for America (here), a sad fact unearthed by The Drumbeat of Liberty and the Preservation of Freedom editor and Canada Free Press (CFP) columnist Robert Rohlfing.

In the controversy of the pep rally/rock concert style Memorial for those who lost their lives in Saturday’s Arizona tragedy, the mainstream media reported that the “Together We Thrive: Tucson & America” T-shirt given to mourners as they entered McKate Center was the idea of University of Arizona brass, not the Obama administration.

Yet the “Together We Thrive” slogan dates back to a post to Obama’s own Organizing for America in a Feb. 11, 2008 post by self-described “globalist” John Berry IV.

More than passing strange that the Obama campaign message of civility was the same on Feb. 11, 2008 as it was in his Wednesday Memorial speech, and the same one, too carried by the mainstream media in coverage of the Memorial.


“For too long Americans have been set one against the other. It is a side affect of a free market society,” Berry IV posted. “How can profits be maximized, how can I get the work down for the lowest possible costs. This continually sets one group against the other, especially in the blue collar sectors of America. It has become part of the American Business model, whether it was indentured servants, slaves picking cotton, sharecroppers, the industrious people that built the railroads or today’s migrant workers. As long as we remain divided, fighting for the scraps that America has to offer it will be one group against the other.

What I see in Obama is a chance for revolution
. (Italics CFP’s). A chance for every group to be heard; A chance to live the American dream that has been denied to so many…

“In a previous career, I was the global leader of Diversity for a global fortune 500 corporation. I have studied the affects of diverse groups working together and the results can not be denied. Together we Thrive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

University of Arizona brass did not originate the “Together We Thrive” T-shirt. They merely recycled it for Obama—and recycled it in time for what should have been a dignified Memorial for the dead.

If you were a mourner who took home a “Together We Thrive” T-shirt have a look at the bottom of your shirt. “Rocking America and Rocking the Vote” is a common theme of the DNC, and it’s right there on your Memorial T-shirt memento.

Welcome to the era of Obama, where cheering and standing ovations, for the first time in history, became part of the Requiem for the Dead.

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Is he still this good?

The video was awhile ago and I was under the impression he was just another Obama worshipper.

That clip was him at his best but I still find him humorous and often insightful with fantastic interviews with world leaders as well.

As for his personal politics, I am honestly not sure. He is more 'left' than 'right' but that is all I can say.

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Selene,

While I am not at all a fan of the CFP, the last line was spot on.

Joel:

Agreed.

I thought they nailed it with that line.

I get the Amadeus image in my mind with the Requiem for the Dead reference. Loved that film.

Adam

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If you were a mourner who took home a “Together We Thrive” T-shirt have a look at the bottom of your shirt. “Rocking America and Rocking the Vote” is a common theme of the DNC, and it’s right there on your Memorial T-shirt memento.

Right. Look at the T-shirt. At the bottom. All the way down. See it? I admit it's small, very small. Okay, invisibly small. But it's there. CFP says and Adam re-says, so . . . it's gotta be sorta kinda almost true . . .

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That's okay, though. If you want a re-print, souvenir version, you can just go on Ebay and get one, sold by a knock-off vendor from Zephyrhills, Florida. The dude selling them has only sold three at last count, but claims on the Ebay page that he sold 30,000 Columbine shirts. Frigging Democrats, huh?

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Its the CFP we are talking about here. It is about as loony as our Right gets.

Judi McLeod**, writer of the CFP story, received many kudos from her readers for her fine journalism, except for one commenter TX Griff, who forked up a dozen 'together we thrive' references from the web that had fuck all to do with Obama, including a Massachusetts public library and a Jewish youth group. He pointed out that the trope has been around since Jesus opened his first drive-in: "Together we thrive, alone we survive."

He highlighted the connect-the-dots errors made by Judi and her kudommandos, he made not a dent. Here's how a TruePatriot responded to TX Griff, connecting all the dots in a farrago of righteousness, sounding a lot like Lindsay Perigo:

Obama Zombies always betray themselves. Referring you to sites of love and peace, while spreading violence and hatred, lest we forget Rev. Jeremiah Wright GD America constantly while Obama sat and embraced this evil ranting for 20 years yet claimed he did not remember all the sermons. Then we also have Louis Farakan a renowned racist ranting bigot of the worst kind embracing Islam and his "Muslim" brother Obama, and saying it with such hatred and arrogance.

TX Griff would take up the yoke for Obama his messiah, with distractions and smokescreens and when all of that fails he reaches to the bottom of the sewer pit and brings out the race card.

This is the most used, reused, recycled, and abused method by which the Obama Zombies and Androids work. When all else fails and the truth is revealed play the race card.

Well Tx Griff then so be it. Obama is 50% white 43% Saudi Arabian and 7% Black. They Communist Marxist propaganda of the "First" Black Pres. is just that a myth. You along with all the followers of your messiah have been scammed. This trash was used because they knew the radical Communist Marxist in this country which is now the Democrat Party, along with the Rino Republicans and many Libertarians, would vote for the myth that you now embrace.

No one cares if he is black, white, purple or pink. His actions and his agenda to destroy America is what is up for so much criticism.

I bet when GW Bush was in your silence was deafening, but now that your mythical Black Messiah is illegally sitting in our White House as a Communist infiltrator sent to destroy America, you have put on your armor for a fraud and a usurper. You have gobbled up the poison for so long you actually believe this junk.

You have just made the point for us all. You are the example of brain washing 101, which produces Liberals aka Communists.

Being a liberal is a mental disease for which there is no cure.

You are truly pathetic to try and take up for this dangerous, evil

America hating narcissist, who soaked up adoration from a crowd who gathered to pay their last respects to the innocent people who were massacred. If my little girl had been killed, I would have gotten up and walked out. On 2nd thought I would not have come.

I would not want a "Muslim", who is a communist usurper, going any where near my daughter or any other family member for their memorial.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. Go crawl back under the rock from which you came!

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** Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist, whose service in the war for truth and freedom is recounted in a lovely, dry, Wikipedia article. My favourite revelations of Judi's stupendous cognitive achievements are these, below, but the whole article is a treat, including the items on her penchant for publishing the addresses and photos of her 'opponents':

In 2005, McLeod and David Hawkins wrote a series of articles on what they described as the United Nations' "radical socialist agenda executed across Intranets and virtual private networks, operated by the self-styled 'Global Custodians'." They alleged links between "$40 trillion hedge funds, via an online portal on the seventy-ninth floor of One World Trade Center, to 'disruptive technologies' developed by Canada for alleged use in the UN Oil-for-Food scam, 9/11 and Kyoto fraud."

McLeod and Hawkins allege that the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States may have been a Mafia plot and not the work of al-Qaeda terrorists.

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Like United We Stand, the slogan Together We Thrive can be ominous for individual rights.

They also have their decent love of country and, in their response to the 9/11 and Tucson atrocities, their love of civilization.

William, thanks for #29. – (second The President)

Michael, also on altruism-state connections in America:

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B (first post after essay)

Everyone who worked that year of their life on what was the Monadnock construction project felt as if “they were an army and a crusade” (HR I 548). The advance of their great joint work gave them each a sense of having lived through twelve months of spring. Their memory of it had “the feeling which is the meaning of spring, . . . the great sense of beginning, of triumphant progression, of certainty in an achievement that nothing will stop” (ibid.).

Theirs was a brotherhood, sainted and noble (cf. ET X 332; ET XI 351). Theirs “a new earth, their own” (HR I 548).

One of Ellsworth Toohey’s destructive satisfactions is to advise young people. He tells one young woman “‘You will never be more than a dilettante of the intellect, unless you submerge yourself in some cause greater than yourself’” (ET VI 272).

Along the roadsides lately, there has appeared a recruitment billboard for the U.S. Marines that reads: “COMITTMENT to something greater than themselves.” That is a Christian call to steeled joint action. The call to the men of the Monadnock construction project is a different call to such dedication—the call to and of selves great as the cause.

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As I said, its a crazy newspaper. I think Selene chose it as a source because it is Canadian, I doubt he is a regular reader.

Joel:

Yes, that is exactly why I chose the source. I do not read that type of "news source."

I find it interesting that folks are going out of their way to disassociate the O'bama media machine from taking advantage of this horrendous act.

There is nothing in this man's background or character that would justify concluding that it is a mere coincidence, or that this trope has been used countless times.

Of course it has.

However, this regime is a scripted, highly attuned propaganda machine. Rarely does it make off script remarks.

This "memorial service" will slowly erode Obiwan's reputation because it was staged. It was still a great speech from a rhetorical analytical point of view which is my expertise.

However, it was also transparent and that underlying bell that is going off in Michael's subconscious is going off in the prime voters heads also.

Adam

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