Jewish power dominates at 'Vanity Fair'

[Selene]

"The Pacific War was a clash between two very racist nations. We hated the little yellow rats and they hated us gijiin barbarians and claimed that we smelled foul. Sound familiar?"

Wow, I never knew that. I thought it was because they initiated force by a sneak attack on some Sunday and accidently killed close to 3,000 of our citizens. It is amazing how much history you can learn on this forum.

There was a long history of anti-Japenese anti-Chinese sentiment in the U.S. long before Pearl Harbor.

You will notice the U.S. did not do mass roundups of German born and first generation German-Americans and put them in holding camps. However hundred's of thousands of Japanese born and first generation Japanese-Americans were put behind barbed wire in 1942. The was during Earl Warren's governorship in California. FDR signed a presidential order mandating the roundup.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclu...nited_States%29

for a resume of anti-Chinese sentiment. In California there was anti-Japanese sentiment well before the Pacific War. It seems the Japense farmers were "too successful" and ticked a lot of California farmers off. The Japanese farmers had a knack for turning marginal land into money makers.

Live and learn.

Ba'al Chatzaf

"There was a long history of anti-Japenese anti-Chinese sentiment in the U.S. long before Pearl Harbor.

You will notice the U.S. did not do mass roundups of German born and first generation German-Americans and put them in holding camps. However hundred's of thousands of Japanese born and first generation Japanese-Americans were put behind barbed wire in 1942. The was during Earl Warren's governorship in California. FDR signed a presidential order mandating the roundup."

Actually, there were "roundups" [sounds like a good rodeo] of German American and Italian American citizens[Gino Marchetti - Hall of Fame DE's family were sent to internment camps and their property confiscated] . The Supreme Court ruled in post WWII and we[Americans] paid for that through our taxs. Every single immigrant group that came to this country went through "levels" of bigotry. Dutch/German hated the Irish; Irish the Italians/etc. - its called reality. The whining just makes it annoying.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

And for crying out loud, among logical folks why am I the first to point out that if the words

"White Power Dominates" are offensive, how could "Jewish Power Dominates" just slide on by???? Really now....C'mon...

Words? The reason you are the first to point this out is because you are the sole author. I do not recall a single post on this thread (or others) talking about "Jewish Power," much less "Jewish Power Dominates." This is more inaccuracy from being blinded by the racist lens.

(Exceptions. Robert Jones recently mentioned this, among other things, on another thread in discussing the dangers of using well-known catch-phrases of hate speech. And I believe there was a small discussion of the Protocols of the Elder of Zion several weeks ago. That's about it.)

Bob,

I just noticed something that I need to rectify. The title to this thread (and the article) is where you got the phrase, "Jewish Power Dominates." I fully agree with you that it is a horrible title. I should have changed the thread title when posting this article on OL. It sounds completely different in its original place, The Jerusalem Post. There it has the feel of a football team or something like that, since the publication is devoted to Jewish affairs. That's the feel it gave me and that's why it slipped by.

The article also stated that there was a strong American presence, so I can easily see "American Power Dominates" as a title in an American newspaper, especially one with a strong patriotic slant. Even so, it is also a horrible title for America. There are much better eye-catching phrases for the headline.

Michael

[bmacwilliam]

Thank you for that post Michael.

And I think that illustrates one of the points I was trying to make that we have to be very careful with these types of words. IMHO, any type of reference to 'racial' power is offensive - positive, negative, whatever.

The reason is the that a connection is implied between the race and the attribute - intentional OR not. People, rightly or wrongly, will naturally draw conclusions from a group generalization to the individual. In fact, we count on this and encourage it in Business affairs. It's perfectly fine to say that the culture at XYZ law firm is a culture of winners and I'm gonna hire a lawyer from there. Group--->Individual - NO RACE CONNECTION. Sure one could argue that's the extension to the individual is the real problem. Fair enough, but we KNOW that's what happens (in fact it's encouraged often) and it ain't gonna stop!

However, whenever and ALWAYS when you have the group based solely or partially on race you are making an inappropriate group to individual connection based on race. It doesn't matter whether the group attribute is true or not. The leap to the individual is inappropriate and/or unfair in ANY circumstance. The truth is NOT an excuse! The leap is still wrong.

Bob

[BaalChatzaf]

Actually, there were "roundups" [sounds like a good rodeo] of German American and Italian American citizens[Gino Marchetti - Hall of Fame DE's family were sent to internment camps and their property confiscated] . The Supreme Court ruled in post WWII and we[Americans] paid for that through our taxs. Every single immigrant group that came to this country went through "levels" of bigotry. Dutch/German hated the Irish; Irish the Italians/etc. - its called reality. The whining just makes it annoying.

The only German and German-Americans detained and incarcerated were members of the Bundt. Ditto for Italian-American fascists active politically. In the case of the Japanese, they were ALL rounded up on the mainland. Men, women, children American born and Japanese Born regardless of political activity, all put behind barbed wire to the last soul. Later on in the war, young Japanese men were accorded the "privilege" of shedding their blood in Europe. The 442nd if I recall. The most decorated unit in the Army.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Actually, there were "roundups" [sounds like a good rodeo] of German American and Italian American citizens[Gino Marchetti - Hall of Fame DE's family were sent to internment camps and their property confiscated] . The Supreme Court ruled in post WWII and we[Americans] paid for that through our taxs. Every single immigrant group that came to this country went through "levels" of bigotry. Dutch/German hated the Irish; Irish the Italians/etc. - its called reality. The whining just makes it annoying.

The only German and German-Americans detained and incarcerated were members of the Bundt. Ditto for Italian-American fascists active politically. In the case of the Japanese, they were ALL rounded up on the mainland. Men, women, children American born and Japanese Born regardless of political activity, all put behind barbed wire to the last soul. Later on in the war, young Japanese men were accorded the "privilege" of shedding their blood in Europe. The 442nd if I recall. The most decorated unit in the Army.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Yes we all saw the movie. However, your statement about Italians and Germans is quite simply untrue.

[BaalChatzaf]

Yes we all saw the movie. However, your statement about Italians and Germans is quite simply untrue.

About 11, 000 German-Americans and Italian-Americans were interned as potential enemies

Whereas the Japanese population of the West Coast was removed to inland interment facilities. Over 110,000 were so interned.

See http://www.foitimes.com/internment/gasummary.htm

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Yes we all saw the movie. However, your statement about Italians and Germans is quite simply untrue.

About 11, 000 German-Americans and Italian-Americans were interned as potential enemies

Whereas the Japanese population of the West Coast was removed to inland interment facilities. Over 110,000 were so interned.

See http://www.foitimes.com/internment/gasummary.htm

Ba'al Chatzaf

"The only German and German-Americans detained and incarcerated were members of the Bundt. Ditto for Italian-American fascists active politically."

Which you know is true, because the Hoover FBI said so, correct? Furthermore, you know that all 110,000 Japanese were just honest, pro American, hard working people. In fact, you know that they were all perfect pure people who never even jaywalked in America.

And just a silly little question, how many of the torpedo planes, bombers and zeros were flown by Germans and Italians in the "accidental" bombing of Pearl Harbor?

If there was a Jewish community in Nanking that was slaughtered by your buds, would you feel the same way as you seem to be towards the other two groups?

[BaalChatzaf]

Yes we all saw the movie. However, your statement about Italians and Germans is quite simply untrue.

About 11, 000 German-Americans and Italian-Americans were interned as potential enemies

Whereas the Japanese population of the West Coast was removed to inland interment facilities. Over 110,000 were so interned.

See http://www.foitimes.com/internment/gasummary.htm

Ba'al Chatzaf

"The only German and German-Americans detained and incarcerated were members of the Bundt. Ditto for Italian-American fascists active politically."

Which you know is true, because the Hoover FBI said so, correct? Furthermore, you know that all 110,000 Japanese were just honest, pro American, hard working people. In fact, you know that they were all perfect pure people who never even jaywalked in America.

And just a silly little question, how many of the torpedo planes, bombers and zeros were flown by Germans and Italians in the "accidental" bombing of Pearl Harbor?

If there was a Jewish community in Nanking that was slaughtered by your buds, would you feel the same way as you seem to be towards the other two groups?

Except for a relatively few activists (favoring the enemy cause) the most inconvenience suffered by -some- German-Americans and Italian-Americans was exclusion from certain war sensitive area. No barbed wire for them. The Japanese, on the other hand, went behind barbed wire, men, women and children, most of whom were American born, therefore American citizens by the 14-th amendment.

Most of the Germans displaced (but not imprisoned) were aliens and not citizens.

There was a war on at the time. During wars a lot of shitty things happen.

And there is no Jewish community in Nanking any more. It disappeared hundreds of years ago. Assimilated into the general population, I think.

As to hypotheticals, I ask you, if your grandma had balls, would she be your grandpa? I don't do hypotheticals when there are real cases to consider.

The American born Nisei were dealt with most unjustly and undeservedly. They were no more Japanese than I am. They just happened to have Japanese parents or grandparents or uncles or aunts.

Now, as for the real Japanese who lived in Japan and produced arms for their government or fought in the Japanese armed forces, we did them real good. We burned them, drowned them, shot them and nuked some of them. That is how we deal with our -real- enemies.

I have no compunction whatsoever about destroying our real enemies. Some of the technology I helped to invent went into cruise missiles which took their toll. I count scalps on my belt, and I am damned proud of them. I also worked on nuclear weapons and I do not regret a moment I spent doing so. It was necessary.

Ba'al Chatzaf