Test Bed -- brainstorming Weather Gods, or, a thrillah about the world's weather system and its manipulators

I thought Caroljane and Michael had some interesting  brainstorm results, laid out below. I also had some storms of creativity ... which I will add once I finish furiously scribbling notes on a break by the river. We have secretly kept everything green behind our fencing, despite the water-restrictions. I hate when Israel steals our clouds all summer.

My basic notion is weather weapons, weapons of war, that is what the protagonists come to be up against, discovering and destroying the military-industrial-scientific projects that have been used to manipulate weather events in aid of endless war. 

The thing is, it is a Deep kind of thing that our heroes have to get at. My favourite character-in-mind so far is a refugee from an intelligence agency. He is justifiably paranoid about his design of a master database. He knows too much, courtesy of his eidetic memory.  But which of his fears of rogue action are true?  Is he really just one of thousands on The List, the Kill the Designers list?

In my flight of fancy we would get to fabulous settings, some of them mirroring or paying homage to Atlas Shrugged. Glaciers, underground CERN-style secret facilities. Low earth-orbit nuclear 'climate helper' satellites, that thousand screen command room deep underground. The 'database cities' of the INTEL surveilance future. On supersonic 'chemtrail' secret weapons.

I'd also keep the political shenanigans sort of in your face but slightly out of focus, save that just as in Atlas Shrugged we are in a kind of alternate era where implausible events have already taken place.  One of the questions the protagonists learn to ask is, "Does the President Know?"  

In my characters I want a 'rescue team slash commando force' to coalesce so I am looking to ex-military intelligence people, disparate people from a disbanded training unit, who have made the transition out of the forces for successful contract or independent careers. I want them to be bonded somehow conceptually, as a Protect Whistleblowers and Defectors unit, in the end. As if they all swore an oath and the oath comes in handy. Meaning the team our hero assembles or acquires should have a point of identity in common, to make the whole shelf of sinister secrecy and secret agent of technology stuff plausible.

I need a bad-ass name for the Giant Computer Cloud that eats snow and steals clouds from nations and regions, thus 'false-flagging' weather manipulation events that may be possible in the next thirty-odd years. If Rand could have a free-energy motor, then we and the Frankensteins of CERN-7 can have gravity-enhancers, dark-matter sinks and sleeves and other theoretical devices almost ready to go. This on top of a semi-secret Space Programme where local weather is enhanced, altered, made wet or dry or whatever to punish Mexico.

Somehow we got to stick the Vatican and on-three-continent catacombs in there. I want to avoid the nightmare pace of State of Fear, by having characters sleep and eat and so on. Not too much, just enough so that they don't seem freaky.

So, plausible or wildly not -- Iranians can't get used to Israel-CERN-rogues-hidden-hands stealing their snow and clouds.  Things is gonna blow up if we don't stop the sinister secret organization from carrying out its plans.

And Caroljane gets to write all the terse sex scenes.

 

On 7/3/2018 at 11:14 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
On 7/3/2018 at 2:00 PM, caroljane said:

Want to collaborate? I can't plot worth a damn...

Carol,

Not a bad idea.

Imagine.

The story can be a thriller about a protagonist, let's call him Caysin Skylo, who works for a wind power company--an idealist in the progressive mold. One day Caysin inadvertently overhears a cartel of globalists (the details of which can be worked out later) discussing their plans to scam the world with a carbon credit scheme. But worse, he overhears them laughing about the future suicide of an eminent scientist who opposes manmade climate change and is in the way of their evil plans. As there are some very famous people in the middle of this cartel meeting, Caysin, conflicted and disillusioned, believes them.

So off he goes to warn the scientist before he can be "suicided." Except he arrives too late and witnesses the murder of the scientist. The hired thugs are dressing it up to look like a suicide. Caysin stumbles across a lady secretly witnessing the same crime and their accident causes the thugs to botch the suicide staging. This is because the scientist has been meeting with several other famous scientists who oppose manmade global warming and they emerge to see what the fuss is all about. They discover the dead body of their colleague. The thugs take off. But one of the thugs panics, returns and kills all the scientists. He tries to kill Caysin and the lady, but they escape.

The lady, let's call her Harper Hale, will turn out to be a private investigator for some small oil fields in Texas and Caysin's future love interest. Maybe she's even the daughter of the owner (Hale and Shale Corporation :) ). She's trying to build a case against the cartel, but Caysin, ever the idealist, barges in where several of the globalists are, confronts them and appeals to their sense of ideals that he has heard them preach for decades. He makes a very moving speech about saving the planet to them. They go along with him pretending to be friendly, but when he isn't looking, they try to kill him. Harper, who has been secretly following him (cussing to herself at his bullheadedness) saves him, but now the chase is on. The cartel people are after him and after this lady who, to them, appeared out of nowhere.

The cartel frames the two for the murder of the group of scientists, so, in addition to the bad guys chasing them, law enforcement the world over is after them. The stakes keep getting steeper and surprising twists and turns keep unfolding as the chase goes through its ups and downs--including the introduction of some very colorful characters. There are some gruesome deaths, explosions, gun fights, and so on. Maybe there is an inside friend in a law enforcement agency they can communicate with who helps them a bit and believes them, but who is limited by the law and the regulations of the agency.

They can even secretly meet with the lady's boss (or father), who is a good guy and who provides them with funds and resources to continue their running. He might even be a mentor figure. And there has to be an obligatory torture scene somewhere--maybe the mentor (father) turns out in a painful reversal for Harper and is actually one of the bad guys. He later tortures them both after offering his daughter part of the scheme, which she refuses. He not only wants to ingratiate himself more deeply with the leaders of the cartel, but also to get secret information out of them that he knows they have witnessed. This information will allow him to become one of the leaders of the cartel. They escape, obviously.

The cartel is going to have a huge save-the-planet event that will be broadcast to the entire world. Once it is presented, the US President and leaders of the governments the world over are going to announce the adoption of the universal carbon credit scheme as a save-the-planet initiative, and sign a treaty to formalize it all. Some climate disaster somewhere can be part of this, a disaster secretly triggered artificially by the cartel, just to add urgency to adoption of the initiative.

But Caysin has video evidence of the meeting of the cartel's leaders where they brag about their evil plans. He decides to use this event to expose them to the entire world. What's worse, the video also shows the Big Seven Oil Conglomerates (crony corporatists) are actually the ones funding the carbon credit scheme and the entire manmade climate change movement, including this event (these folks are crony corporatists, too). This is proven by statements and villainous laughter coming from the mouths of the most famous global warming people in the cartel meeting. They even joke about rationing air the globe over and seriously discuss how this can be achieved. At root, the elites on both sides are the same damn people. And they are working together to ultimately rule the world through dictatorship by technocrat.

Things develop to a heart-pounding climax, the climate disaster is foiled, some of the bad guys are killed, some disgraced in front of the whole world and some arrested on the spot as the cameras catch them doing bad things. Caysin and Harper finally kiss in the middle of the chaos swirling all around them. (The music swells. :) )

The evil father of Harper just barely escapes and lands defeated, but not broken, in a place, maybe a secret island he owns, where it is clear there will be a sequel.

As to the stealing of clouds and snow, this can be a rich metaphor running throughout the entire story--the clouds representing idealistic innocence and the snow representing the painful hard-won truth about the evil elitists. Appearance versus reality. Or whatever. Anything worth stealing. :) This can be enhanced in the settings: snowy mountain climbs, airplane flights in cloudy skies, winter in the city with snow falling, etc. The climate change folks can even have a cocktail they invent called the Snow Cloud. There can be paintings that feature clouds and snow. Etc.

That's just a brain dump I did on the spot and needs a lot of work, but whaddya think?

:evil:  :) 

(btw - Not to be difficult, but I prefer not to collaborate on fiction writing at this stage. After I have a few works under my belt and selling in the market, I might be game if you are serious. I mean, why not? You do have a creative streak. Somehow, though, I don't think this particular story will be to your liking. :) )

Michael

 



91 Comments


Recommended Comments



The moral of the story is that the sinister secret people had only understood the punitive use of their proto-weapons, such as the dark-matter gravity lens to deepen heatwaves in enemy cities. They had added too much energy to the system, gaming the natural weather systems and rehearsing the horror-shows hinted at by alarmists in the late twentieth century.

They THEM themselves had set the world on fire, and were consumed by it in their lairs and bunkers.  Even their directed-energy beams could be 'reverse-polarized' to take the heat off the Earth and reduce the enemies to magma. 

And then Caroljane writes the final Morning in America sex scene. 

Share this comment


Link to comment

William,

I actually like it. Especially the characteristics of the protagonist.

:) 

And if one of the inadvertent effects of the CERN-CLIMATE RAPTURIZER is that it creates a black hole of dark matter, but needs to exist to keep the dark matter growing, the obvious task for the hero is to throw the goddam thing into the black hole.

Zip...

Black hole closed

Problem solved.

Mankind saved for today...

:)

Michael

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
4 hours ago, william.scherk said:

And then Caroljane writes the final Morning in America sex scene. 

And the critics sneer at the Mickey Mouse plot.

 

  • Haha 1

Share this comment


Link to comment

A respite from Idea Farming on OL. Here is someone who has thought the whole thing through at least once. We'll put him in charge of collecting "Were they or weren't they" stories about manipulated disasters. "Snatched from the headlines of Faye Knuze" and misinformation can't cause a panic, right?

Maybe not in everybody, and whaddaya mean by panic, you alarmist. Prudence is my name, justified suspicion is my game.

 

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 7/5/2018 at 4:53 PM, william.scherk said:

A respite from Idea Farming on OL. Here is someone who has thought the whole thing through at least once. We'll put him in charge of collecting "Were they or weren't they" stories about manipulated disasters. "Snatched from the headlines of Faye Knuze" and misinformation can't cause a panic, right?

Maybe not in everybody, and whaddaya mean by panic, you alarmist. Prudence is my name, justified suspicion is my game.

 

Nobody "controls" the weather.  Weather is emergent from a chaotic dynamic process. 

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 7/5/2018 at 4:53 PM, william.scherk said:

A respite from Idea Farming on OL. Here is someone who has thought the whole thing through at least once.

Superman III: Now Non-Fiction.

 

  • Haha 1

Share this comment


Link to comment

Weather manipulation technology is decades old.

About once a week my Denver skies display quite obvious wave patterns like nothing I ever saw in previous decades. Electromagnetic radiation is being introduced to the atmosphere, which affects raindrop formation at the earliest,  molecular “tackiness” level.

Chemtrails are everywhere, which may or may not be weather-manipulation related.

Share this comment


Link to comment
32 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Weather manipulation technology is decades old.

Care to expand on this?  I mean, can you give a clear example of a working technology (besides cloud-seeding)?

Quote

About once a week my Denver skies display quite obvious wave patterns like nothing I ever saw in previous decades.

What is the connection, Jon?  The description is pretty vague. "Obvious wave patterns."

Quote

Electromagnetic radiation is being introduced to the atmosphere, which affects raindrop formation at the earliest,  molecular “tackiness” level.

Passive voice conceals the 'who' and 'what' ... "is being introduced" lacks an agent.

Care to cite some scientific literature on that 'being introduced'?  "Electronic radiation" can be quantified, in that the wavelength and intensity of a particular radiation can be assessed. From 'ionizing radiation' of Gamma Rays, X-Rays, higher Ultraviolet part of the spectrum -- all the way through visible light to infrared. Amplitude, frequency, energy.

If you mean cosmic-origin 'ionizing radiation' playing a part in 'cloud nucleation,' sure -- but there doesn't seem to be much of the same kind of cosmic radiation emitted by Earth people. 

Quote

Chemtrails are everywhere, which may or may not be weather-manipulation related.

Chemtrails?  Are you suggesting that so-called chemtrails (actually contrails) everywhere are deliberately released, as a kind of plot?  If a plot, what is the aim, what is the end-goal?  More importantly to Objectivish epistemology: where are the 'defectors' and 'whistleblowers' from inside the plot ... ?

If you are helpfully noting some imaginative notions that could become part of the fictional plot undergirding the Weather Wars idea, great. But I would ask for much more detail, and at least a recognition that there is a body of work contra notions of a Chemtrail conspiracy; something that is scientifically implausible of course can in a fictional universe be a fun item.

See https://www.metabunk.org/contrails-and-chemtrails.f9/ if you are not up to date on what They are saying about Chemtrails.

Maybe a more fruitful fictional path would be examining global atmospheric circulation of 'aerosols' ... with a view to quantifying the amounts and origins.  

 

Edited by william.scherk

Share this comment


Link to comment

Chemtrails are chemtrails and contrails are contrails. Evidence of the senses and decades of data collection.

The first half of my life there were only contrails in the sky. Composed of the H2O by-product of combustion in the jet engines, contrails persist only seconds and disappear completely. Contrails may persist a minute or two, but they disappear completely.

Chemtrails consist of something released from the planes, quite aside from the usual combustion and resultant H2O contrail.

Chemtrails are identified by their persistence. They persist minutes and hours. They spread out, getting very thin and wide, they disperse, but they never disappear.

I don’t go finding links, Billyboy, I go outside and I gather evidence. Been observing the skies of New England, Washington, D.C. and Denver since the seventies. There was never persistence, never, not once. Every contrail, every single one of them, disappeared completely within two minutes, as honest H2O contrails do. I am aware of the brainwashing, debunking efforts, thanks. They don’t work on me because I trust my eyes, my memory, my grasp of the basics of H2O phase transitions and my mind.

Share this comment


Link to comment

I don’t know the what for, but the reality of chemtrails is beyond question.

They could be about weather manipulation.

They could be about innocent science (they watch the dispersal over time and thereby get to watch air movement patterns over great time and at various altitudes. If there isn’t a cloud in the air at the altitude you are interested in, then you won’t be able to watch it move from the satellites. You can watch it move if you put something visible to the sats in that air at that altitude.)

They could be about denying enemy satellites views of specific activities on the ground at specific times.

They could be about something else entirely.

Share this comment


Link to comment
1 hour ago, Jon Letendre said:

... I go outside and I gather evidence. Been observing the skies of New England, Washington, D.C. and Denver since the seventies.

Jon,

Don't you know you are supposed to be gaslighted?

How dare you look and see something when your betters have told you it doesn't exist?

They support each other and they don't support you.

So shut your damn eyes. If you keep insisting on seeing, they get the urge to shut your eyes for you. Maybe even gouge them out...

:)

Michael

Share this comment


Link to comment
1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jon,

Don't you know you are supposed to be gaslighted?

How dare you look and see something when your betters have told you it doesn't exist?

They support each other and they don't support you.

So shut your damn eyes. If you keep insisting on seeing, they get the urge to shut your eyes for you. Maybe even gouge them out...

:)

Michael

Right. And I’m stupid, stupid, stupid for believing my own observations and mind, instead of...Snopes!

It’s comical, really.

”But, those elements are in fireworks, too, so, so, so it must all be stupid ?” 

  • Haha 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
21 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Chemtrails are chemtrails and contrails are contrails.

Well, what is the known difference?  Pretend that there are readers here who are either uninformed or who haven't done any independent research or who are skeptical. What is a contrail?

Suggestion:

Contrail, streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.
vapour trail. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica.Retrieved May 4, 2007,from Encyclopædia Britannica Online:http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829

Quote

The first half of my life there were only contrails in the sky. Composed of the H2O by-product of combustion in the jet engines, contrails persist only seconds and disappear completely.

How do we check that premise?  Is there any scientific research that you would suggest to readers?  From what I understand, it is atmospheric conditions (temperature, humidity) that determine the persistence of the frozen streams of exhaust.

From Persisting and Spreading Contrails at Contrailscience.com:

persistingContrailsContrailScience.png

Quote

Contrails may persist a minute or two, but they disappear completely.

I am happy to consult whatever source you put up to support this claim.  If it is true, it should be able to withstand harsh critical attention.

Quote

Chemtrails consist of something released from the planes, quite aside from the usual combustion and resultant H2O contrail.

From the engines?

If yes, from the engines, then "something" can be described. Care to describe your best guess for what is being emitted?

Quote

Chemtrails are identified by their persistence. They persist minutes and hours. They spread out, getting very thin and wide, they disperse, but they never disappear.

This is opinion, and does not appear to be based on sound knowledge. If you can help readers see the warrants for your claim, you might get some traction with the skeptical among them ...

Quote

I don’t go finding links, Billyboy, I go outside and I gather evidence. Been observing the skies of New England, Washington, D.C. and Denver since the seventies. There was never persistence, never, not once. Every contrail, every single one of them, disappeared completely within two minutes, as honest H2O contrails do.

"I don't go finding links"  is the kind of thing said when challenged to support a claim.  A dodge, and perhaps an indication that you are going on intuition, not verifying your suspicions or dealing with good-faith attempts to unmuddy the waters of knowledge.

Quote

I am aware of the brainwashing, debunking efforts, thanks.

So, as with the whoopee about Directed Energy picking out cars and homes to melt, critical, rational inquiry gets put in the Brainwashing File. Yikes.

Quote

They don’t work on me because I trust my eyes, my memory, my grasp of the basics of H2O phase transitions and my mind.

How would you know if you are wrong, Jon?  Doesn't it occur to you that if you avoid 'brainwashing' by, say, Mick at Metabunk, you are missing a detailed discussion of your beliefs?  It is not always easy to challenge oneself, or to admit error.   Evading or dismissing challenges can lead to a cul-de-sac of cognition.  

 

Share this comment


Link to comment
20 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:
21 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jon,

Don't you know you are supposed to be gaslighted?

How dare you look and see something when your betters have told you it doesn't exist?

Right. And I’m stupid, stupid, stupid for believing my own observations and mind, instead of...Snopes!

Like I said, "How would you know if you are wrong (about Chemtrails)?"  

In any case, no one can force you to challenge your own beliefs, not even Snopes Metabunk or Michael.  The notion that somebody something something gaslight is inscrutable to me, however. 

If there is a difference in opinion between Chemtrail enthusiasts/conspiracists and rational attempts to understand atmospheric science ... then who is doing the gaslight?  If one doesn't check one's premises, or see the value in doing so, or doesn't even subject their beliefs to challenge, what does that say about 'gaslight'?  

Tribalism, tribes, tribulations ...

For those who are skeptical about a chemtrail conspiracy, then what might convince you to take a second look?  Would this video be a good start, or does it pile error upon error?  Or other alternatives ...

-- in parting, I note a lot of questions unanswered. If you don't care to involve yourself in discussion, that is no problem, but if you are trying to be persuasive, I imagine silent readers here are still waiting for you to deal with their doubts.

Share this comment


Link to comment
52 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

... then who is doing the gaslight?

William,

That's easy.

Anyone who makes fun of the person asking a question is gaslighting. 

An attempt to understand is one thing. Even overzealous speculation.

Mocking people who ask questions and are suspicious of those in power (especially the ones who keep getting caught lying), and attempting to belittle the questioners for what they see and telling them not to believe their lying eyes, is another.

That's gaslighting. That's not discussion. That's not an attempt to persuade by reason. That's not an attempt to convince. It's a command to sit down and shut up.

This is the way they try to sell manmade climate change, too. Same old shit.

Michael

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment

Here is Mick West of Metabunk going through texts on cloud studies.  If you don't say a shibboleth, rub your rabbit foot, and subtly angle your head away from the light (propane), then you might open your mind to the Null Hypothesis ...

This speaks to 'persistence' ... and may serve to augment Jon Letendre's grasp of what he is up against. Knowing what the (shills? Cabal? Queer-Anon? Satanic Ritual Abusers?) bad guy is cooking up might act as an immunization against Them in Their larger project.

 

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment

I looked for a minute and a half at the video and I can only take so much smarmy gotcha tone.

So I stopped.

Ayn Rand once said to not examine a folly. Only look at what it accomplishes.

The folly I keep seeing about chemtrails goes something like this in the subtext: Sure, you can throw shit out of an airplane on top of people's heads for nefarious reasons, but our elites would never do that. Whoever even imagines our elites would do something like that is wacko.

All the rest is arguing over semantics and playing gotcha to show just how wacko a questioner is.

And that is generally the only result anyone gains from examining a folly perpetrated by the establishment. You have to swallow the proposition of the pristine moral integrity of corrupt elites along with nitpicking. It's bullshit.

yawn...

Michael

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 7/8/2018 at 12:42 PM, Jon Letendre said:

Chemtrails are chemtrails and contrails are contrails. Evidence of the senses and decades of data collection.

The first half of my life there were only contrails in the sky. Composed of the H2O by-product of combustion in the jet engines, contrails persist only seconds and disappear completely. Contrails may persist a minute or two, but they disappear completely.

Chemtrails consist of something released from the planes, quite aside from the usual combustion and resultant H2O contrail.

Chemtrails are identified by their persistence. They persist minutes and hours. They spread out, getting very thin and wide, they disperse, but they never disappear.

I don’t go finding links, Billyboy, I go outside and I gather evidence. Been observing the skies of New England, Washington, D.C. and Denver since the seventies. There was never persistence, never, not once. Every contrail, every single one of them, disappeared completely within two minutes, as honest H2O contrails do. I am aware of the brainwashing, debunking efforts, thanks. They don’t work on me because I trust my eyes, my memory, my grasp of the basics of H2O phase transitions and my mind.

Just go outside and observe. You will observe days with only contrails and you will observe days when the sky is filled with chemtrails. Soon you will have no trouble distinguishing the two. Use your own eyes. Trust the evidence of your senses.

Share this comment


Link to comment
13 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Just go outside and observe. You will observe days with only contrails and you will observe days when the sky is filled with chemtrails. Soon you will have no trouble distinguishing the two. Use your own eyes. Trust the evidence of your senses.

Our unaided senses can only detect the light  reflecting of the H2O  droplets that hang in the air after the H2O  vapor flowing from the jet exhaust condenses. Basically contrails  (or chemtrails as the Conspiracy Phreaks like to call them)  are man-made clouds.  What you don't see with the unaided senses  is the CO2 produced by the burning of jet fuel and very small amounts of SO2 and N2O.

 

Share this comment


Link to comment
1 hour ago, BaalChatzaf said:

Our unaided senses can only detect the light  reflecting of the H2O  droplets that hang in the air after the H2O  vapor flowing from the jet exhaust condenses. Basically contrails  (or chemtrails as the Conspiracy Phreaks like to call them)  are man-made clouds.  What you don't see with the unaided senses  is the CO2 produced by the burning of jet fuel and very small amounts of SO2 and N2O.

 

Have you seen the “contrails” that persist for hours, Bob?

Share this comment


Link to comment
2 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

Our unaided senses can only detect the light  reflecting of the H2O  droplets that hang in the air after the H2O  vapor flowing from the jet exhaust condenses.

"H2O droplets that hang in the air" should be replaced by "ice crystals" ... at cruising altitude, the air is too cold for the the H2O to remain in liquid form, so the exhaust H2O immediately freezes.

For those who love a spooky story, here is a video that suggests Donald Trump secretly brought a (temporary) halt to the US secret programme ...

 

Share this comment


Link to comment

Yes, ice, not droplets. And then that  ice skips the liquid phase and directly evaporates and becomes invisible, with the contrail thereby rapidly disappearing.

Chemtrails spread out and disperse, they do not disappear. And they have a yellow tint, they’re not white like contrails.

Share this comment


Link to comment

Guest
Add a comment...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...