Another unsavoury emission from the hoopla turbines. It looks like Sean Spicer may have been 'in the loop' when FoxNews got in trouble with an unwarranted story they published -- while deeper intrigue is found in the form of a lawsuit filing. A dumptruck of details arranged in a narrative of wrong-doing, true or not. The plaintiff feels FoxNews fucked him over and escaped accountability.
To set the scene (with light editing and bolded items):
On 5/28/2017 at 2:32 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
In case you are not aware of it, Seth Rich was in charge of the very material that got leaked to Wikileaks that led to the dismissal of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC leader, blew Donna Brazile off CNN, and pissed off Bernie folks to no end. It's the material that proved the DNC was rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton. Two weeks after Rich's murder, Wikileaks made this material public. That's about the time it would have taken them to vet the material if they had gotten it from Rich (which they probably did).
I had earlier taken issue with the root of these assertions in an OL-Mail to our thought leader:
On 5/19/2017 at 8:56 PM, william.scherk said:
I note that the Infowars show snippet with Stone misrepresented the position Seth Rich had within the Democratic National Committee. They said he was not a grunt at the DNC, but the head of IT (information technology). That assertion is wholly untrue. If Infowars can't get the basics correct, for me the credibility ...
I followed up on the Stone truth-mishap when it was raised again.
On 5/28/2017 at 7:47 AM, william.scherk said:On 5/28/2017 at 2:32 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
In case you are not aware of it, Seth Rich was in charge of the very material that got leaked to Wikileaks
That is not true. Why claim this when it is not true?Quote
that led to the dismissal of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC leader, blew Donna Brazile off CNN, and pissed off Bernie folks to no end. It's the material that proved the DNC was rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton.
Wrong. You have this wrong.
Whatever happened to "identify correctly"?
Which gave me back this closely-reasoned rejoinder ... not where I had raised it, but on the front porch (emphases added).
On 5/28/2017 at 11:21 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
I got a complaint offline that my statement that Rich was "in charge of the very material that got leaked to Wikileaks" is not true.
It's a minor gotcha so let me restate it: Seth Rich "had [ ... ] unaided access to the very material that got leaked to Wikileaks." He could mess with it to his heart's content if he so wished.
All fixed now.
I have a feeling in the mind of the gotcha person, this small correction will be grounds to claim that Rich wasn't even murdered, much less for political reasons, or that I'm lying and didn't understand that Rich had no idea what a computer was.
Here's the thing. Seth Rich access ... to the very material that got leaked is not evident. There is no evidentiary argument to support that claim. Seth Rich had his own niche within the DNC, but was not "head of IT" with unimpeded top-level access. It is Roger Stone that misrepresented the DNC position as vastly greater than prosaic truth. He got it wrong -- and it was an essential part of his argument. I meant to highlight this misrepresentation from Infowars as a key falsehood in the argument structure.
Anyway, to "I have a feeling," being the 'gotcha person,' and noting that dear leader did not quote me, let me get all epistemological:
Here's the minor question unanswered: what exactly was Seth Rich's position within the DNC?
A follow-up question would be: what is the probability that Seth Rich had an all-access pass to the superstructure of the DNC computer networks?
And one can ask, "If Rich was not likely to be the leaker/conduit, then what does that say about the motive for his murder in DC?"
Anyway, who cares? Right? Well, I''d say one can't go wrong to rationally examine competing hypotheses. Among which is 'other parties ransacked the DNC.'
To the point, finally, the all-access-Seth claim aside, the issue has caught fire again today. Today the hoopla units turned up sleaze and dishonesty knobs. Here is a sample of Grand Supreme Hoopla from Memeorandum:
QuoteOP ITEMS:David Folkenflik / NPR:Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale — The Fox News Channel and a wealthy supporter of President Trump worked in concert under the watchful eye of the White House to concoct a story about the murder of a young Democratic National Committee aide, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday.Discussion:Philip Bump / Washington Post: A timeline of the explosive lawsuit alleging a White House link in the Seth Rich conspiracyMedia Matters for America: Roger Stone says he's in communication with the White House about the Seth Rich lawsuitEric Boehlert / Shareblue: Fox News sued for cooking up fake news with Trump about murdered DNC stafferTravis Gettys / Raw Story: Sean Spicer admits to White House coordination with Fox News on DNC murder conspiracy reportsNoah Lanard / Mother Jones: All the Major Players in the Latest Seth Rich Story Are Contradicting ThemselvesColin Daileda / Mashable: The 6 most bonkers lines from that bombshell Fox News lawsuitJustin Baragona / Mediaite: Rod Wheeler on Explosive Seth Rich Claim: Fox News Report ‘Damaged My Credibility’Sarah Taylor / TheBlaze: White House issues a statement on Seth Rich death conspiracy — and how Trump is involvedMatt Shuham / Talking Points Memo: White House: ‘The President Had No Knowledge’ Of Fox's Seth Rich StoryPaul Joseph Watson / Infowars: Roger Stone: Seth Rich Was Partying With Imran Awan on the Night of His MurderEd Pilkington / The Guardian: Sean Spicer had notice of discredited Fox News story on DNC aide's deathJason Easley / Politicus USA: Trump Destroys Fox As Network Denies Colluding On False Story To Distract From Russia ScandalDavid Badash / The New Civil Rights Movement: A lawsuit against Fox News by a private investigator charges …AlterNet: White House Signed Off on Bogus Fox News Story Pushing Seth Rich Murder Conspiracy: LawsuitCharles Johnson / Little Green Footballs: New Lawsuit Alleges Fox News Conspired With Trump to Manufacture Fake “Seth Rich” Conspiracy StoryMark Frauenfelder / Boing Boing: Federal lawsuit links White House, wealthy Trump donor to discredited Fox News storyBenjamin Freed / Washingtonian: Lawsuit Alleges Trump Pushed Fox News to Publish Debunked Seth Rich StoryJacob Pramuk / CNBC: Trump knew about Fox's story about murdered DNC staffer before it ran, lawsuit allegesJTA / Jewish Telegraphic Agency: Trump White House was involved with retracted article linking slain DNC staffer to WikiLeaks, lawsuit allegesJeva Lange / The Week: Lawsuit alleges Seth Rich conspiracy was manufactured by Fox News to distract from the Russia investigationSally Persons / Washington Times: Lawsuit claims Trump reviewed Fox News story about slain DNC aide Seth Rich's ties to WikiLeaksOliver Darcy / CNNMoney:Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House — This is why the Seth Rich conspiracy won't disappear — The White House worked with Fox News and a wealthy Republican donor to push a story about the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich …Discussion:David Weigel / Washington Post: Sean Spicer claimed to be unaware of Seth Rich story after meeting with donor who pushed itShane Savitsky / Axios: Lawsuit: Fox News, Trump supporter made up Seth Rich storyMadeline Conway / Politico: White House denies role in debunked story on Seth Rich conspiracy theoryAaron Rupar / ThinkProgress: Explosive lawsuit alleges Trump reviewed and approved bogus Fox News story on Seth RichPardes Seleh / IJR: WH Spox Sarah Sanders Says She's ‘Not Sure’ If Trump Believes Seth Rich Leaked DNC EmailsEric Boehlert / Shareblue: John Kelly's first day as White House chief of staff was a total disasterMedia Matters for America: A GOP operative asked Fox personalities to push a bogus Russia/Seth Rich talking point.Aidan McLaughlin / Mediaite: Timeline of Lawsuit Accusing Fox News of Fabricating Seth Rich Conspiracy ReportKevin Drum / Mother Jones: Investigator Alleges White House Was Behind Fake Fox News Story About Seth Rich MurderCaitlin MacNeal / Talking Points Memo: Lawsuit Alleges White House Link To Fox News' Bogus Seth Rich Conspiracy StoryChris Ariens / TVNewser: In Lawsuit, Fox Crime Analyst Says Trump Approved of FoxNews.com Report On Murdered DNC StafferDavid Uberti / Splinter: The Six Most Bats**t Parts of the Lawsuit Against Fox News Over That Bats**t Seth Rich StoryJason Easley / Politicus USA: Fox News Busted As Fake News As Fox Worked With Trump On Seth Rich Conspiracy StoryTravis Gettys / Raw Story: Trump reportedly rushed fake Fox News report as he entered the most brutal week of his presidencyMargaret Sullivan / Washington Post:You don't have to believe everything in that Seth Rich lawsuit. What's been confirmed is bad enough. — In an audio-only White House press gaggle on May 16, then-presidential spokesman Sean Spicer fielded a question about the murder of Seth Rich, the former Democratic National Committee staffer …Discussion:Media Matters for America: Five lies that are ricocheting infinitely within the right-wing media bubbleJason Easley / Politicus USA: Trump Tries To Escape Russia Scandal Justice By Personally Supervising Fake News OperationFaith Gates / Mediaite: WATCH: White House Press Briefing — 8/1/17 LIVE STREAMBen Kamisar / The Hill:
White House denies Fox-Trump connection on Rich storyJonathan Chait / New York Magazine:
Donald Trump Has Finally Erased the Line Between Conservatism and Conspiracy Theories