Placeholder for GW/CC 'How I got here' thread

[Edited January 2 2019 -- to remove or replace dead visual-links]

Long ago Jonathan and I got some good traction out of a tangle of issues related to Global Warming slash Climate Change.  I think we are slated to renew or refresh our earlier exchanges.  I am going to poke in links to some he-said/he-saids from a few different threads at different times. One feature of the updated software is an automated 'sampling' of a link posted raw.  See below. 

So this blog entry will be kind of administrative-technical while being built and edited. I haven't figured out if Jonathan and I should impose some 'rules' going in, so your comment may be subject to arbitrary deletion before the field is ready for play. Fan notes included.

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Adam, see what you think of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, especially the revealing map-based representations of opinion. You can drill and zoom down to state, county, district level to track data across a number of survey questions, where some of the answers are surprising. On some measures at least, the thing it is not found only in the UK, Quebec, Canada: Here's a snapshot of several maps which do not always show an expected Red State/Blue State pattern;

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Plug my How To Get Where I Got book of books, Spencer Weart's The Discovery of Global Warming. Insert link to Amazon, Library link, and to the intro chapter of Weart's companion website to the book. Make sure you include a link to Ellen's mention of a book review. 

Bob Kolker's June 3 comment is a good hinge. What do we (J and I) think we know about the mechanism Bob sketches? What can we 'stipulate' or what can we agree on, for the sake of argument?

On 6/3/2016 at 9:31 AM, BaalChatzaf said:

CO2 does  slow down the radiation of energy in the infra-red bandwith.  The question is to what degree  given that there are other systems that tend to diffuse and disperse heat (such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and El Nino, along with convection and the Coriolis Effect that moves warm are to the polar regions).  The scientific fact is that CO2 tends to absorb radiated energy in the infra red range.  That is NOT fabricated.  That is a matter of experimental fact. 

Please see http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation

The issue is to what extent is the CO2 load of the atmosphere is slowing down heat radiation into space, when such absorbing or radiation occurs along with other heat dispersing processes.   

No denies that putting a blanket on, when it is cold slows down the rate at which one's body radiates heat.  Air is a poor heat conductor and the blanket traps air.  Also the blanket is warmed and radiates half its heat back to the source.  This produces a net slowing down of heat loss.  Heat loss still occurs (Second Law of Thermodynamics in operation)  but the rate of loss is affected. 

Tyndol and Arhenius  established the heat absorbing properties of CO2  in the late 19 th and early 20 th century.  Subsequent work has show the absorbtion to be the case and has measured it even more accurately than Tyndol and Arhenius. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, william.scherk said:

Someone thinks they are an examining magistrate.  

Oh, no, you poor victim!

They™ have challenged you to support your position, and They™ won't let you bullshit your way out of it? They™ are not falling for your dodges and distractions? How mean of Them™! Poor, poor darling! 

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11 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Someone thinks they are an examining magistrate.  

It has to do with truth and falsity.

--Brant

so, yes, in spades 

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And not answering is very important to Billy. The dodging and the distractions are similar to the methods used by highly religious people when asked difficult questions about their beliefs.

The attitude change is also interesting. Usually, Billy can laugh at anything. Not this. It's as if it's personal. Sacred?

J

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Is there something wrong with me? I just don't like this guy.  Not that every shouty or ranty-histrionic guy on the TV or internet meets equal disdain -- not since I want to keep shouty, jostling, operatic and free aspects of this thread thriving.

 

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12 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Is there something wrong with me? I just don't like this guy.  Not that every shouty or ranty-histrionic guy on the TV or internet meets equal disdain -- not since I want to keep shouty, jostling, operatic and free aspects of this thread thriving.

 

He's the perfect personification of the AGW control and punish mindset.

Personally, I'd rather see someone calmly present 'the science' (titter tee hee hee). But, since we all know that that's not going to happen, what's the next best thing? Nye? AOC? Gore? DiCaprio? Steamed Octopus? No. I think a better method would be to just be honest. Identify the real motives. State them publicly: Punishment and control. Openly promote the bloodlust excitement if it. No need to tie it to side issues involving fear or victimhood in order to pretend to justify it.

J

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That he calls himself the science guy doesn't make him a science guy.

Linus Pauling was a great scientist who viciously went off the rails with vitamin C, but he wasn't an idiot.

--Brant

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Billy, your religion didn't do too well in Australia.

Btw, why do "Labor" parties continue to call themselves "Labor" now that they're openly opposed to workers and labor?

Australia’s Conservatives Win Surprise Election Victory

Voters in mining areas turned on center-left opposition that had campaigned on climate change issues, preliminary results show

SYDNEY—Australia’s conservative government eked out a surprise victory in Saturday’s national elections after voters in resource-rich districts turned against center-left opponents who had put climate change at the heart of their campaign...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/australias-conservatives-appear-set-to-win-surprise-victory-11558186774

 

 

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Alarum!  

Rahmstorf is "Head of Earth System Analysis at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research; professor of Physics of the Oceans at Potsdam University."

Guardian link: ‘Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica.'

Cited study published in Geophysical Research Letters, "Warm ocean is eroding West Antarctic Ice Sheet." [Free Access]

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[1] Satellite radar measurements show that ice shelves in Pine Island Bay have thinned by up to 5.5 m yr−1 over the past decade. The pattern of shelf thinning mirrors that of their grounded tributaries ‐ the Pine Island, Thwaites and Smith glaciers ‐ and ocean currents on average 0.5°C warmer than freezing appear to be the source. The synchronised imbalance of the inland glaciers is the result of reduced lateral and basal tractions at their termini, and the drawdown of grounded ice shows that Antarctica is more sensitive to changing climates than was previously considered.

A short video that accompanied the Guardian article:

 

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19 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Alarum!  

Rahmstorf is "Head of Earth System Analysis at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research; professor of Physics of the Oceans at Potsdam University."

Guardian link: ‘Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica.'

Cited study published in Geophysical Research Letters, "Warm ocean is eroding West Antarctic Ice Sheet." [Free Access]

A short video that accompanied the Guardian article:

 

Yes, we need to mete out the punishments right now. We can't wait any longer. The climate gods crave blood. We must quench their thirsts. The Little Others™ must experience more hardship while forced to pay for our studies and cushy lifestyles. Pain. Glorious austerity. It's so very exciting!

J

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Kevin Pluck got a plug in a recent video on "Climate Communications."  Readers of this thread will be familiar with the Yale efforts.

 

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20 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Michael, why is this vicious, destructive little prick still able to post at OL?

Jon,

Because you don't win culture wars with bans.

I'm playing the long game. You seem to prefer short term gratification.

I won't be doing any podcasts with any leftie authoritarians, though.

They went for the short term gratification and bans (social media and elsewhere). Now they're losing the culture war big time as they sell out to crony corporations just to stay relevant and they are too hate-filled to see it. Once their idiocy stops making money and/or power for the elitist establishment, they will go the way of Avenatti. Slower than him, granted, but the path is the same.

Michael

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4 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Once their idiocy stops making money and/or power for the elitist establishment, they will go the way of Avenatti.

Sometimes I wonder about the universe. As soon as I made that post, I went to Twitter and immediately saw this:

 

Dayaamm!

:)

Michael

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17 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Sometimes I wonder about the universe. As soon as I made that post, I went to Twitter and immediately saw this:

 

Dayaamm!

:)

Michael

Yeah, their poster boy is a thief.

He steals money from his own clients.

Do what thou wilt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/breakingnlive

Former Porn Star Lawyer Michael Avenatti accused of misappropriating money that was supposed to be paid to Stormy Daniels, Federal prosecutors expected to file additional charges, making matters worse for the anti-Trump lawyer.

10:37 AM · May 22, 2019”

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I am enjoying spring in Chilliwack, with plentiful healthy bike riding. I also have enjoyed getting in the gears with Periscope, Spreaker, and Youtube. One of my most popular videos was the first of the Scott Adams' several Tony Heller Challenges, which he permitted me to republish, which led to some light and some heat. Why is light hot?  Or is light hot?  Which part of the light is hot? 

We almost turned on the swamp cooler ... 

This is a blurb/promo, using OBS Server, a dedicated fan page (http://bit.ly/climateBrawl_001), and a homemade audio soundboard to feed a mix to Periscope. It was was live for its first appearance on Twitter. As you can imagine, HTML5 and me are getting better acquainted.  I should mention also the impressive, cheap, easy to learn 'intuitive' design of podcasting app Spreaker

 

 

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18 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Sometimes I wonder about the universe. As soon as I made that post, I went to Twitter and immediately saw this:

 

Dayaamm!

:)

Michael

Interesting.

--Brant

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And STILL no answers to my questions.

Just more cowardly tee hee hee instead. If we say "deniers" often enough, we don't have to answer the questions. All-you-can eat steamed octopus for only a buck ninety five, all day, every day!

J

♪ ♫ Give me that AGW religion. It's good enough for Billy, so it's good enough for me.♬♩

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16 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Why is light hot?  Or is light hot?  Which part of the light is hot? 

Fabulous video illustration:

 

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The capital of Missouri got a tornado whacking last night.  Data-visualization of storm dynamics is advancing. This appeared earlier on Twitter.

 

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