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[Edited January 2 2019 -- to remove or replace dead visual-links]

Long ago Jonathan and I got some good traction out of a tangle of issues related to Global Warming slash Climate Change.  I think we are slated to renew or refresh our earlier exchanges.  I am going to poke in links to some he-said/he-saids from a few different threads at different times. One feature of the updated software is an automated 'sampling' of a link posted raw.  See below. 

So this blog entry will be kind of administrative-technical while being built and edited. I haven't figured out if Jonathan and I should impose some 'rules' going in, so your comment may be subject to arbitrary deletion before the field is ready for play. Fan notes included.

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Adam, see what you think of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, especially the revealing map-based representations of opinion. You can drill and zoom down to state, county, district level to track data across a number of survey questions, where some of the answers are surprising. On some measures at least, the thing it is not found only in the UK, Quebec, Canada: Here's a snapshot of several maps which do not always show an expected Red State/Blue State pattern;

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Edited 4 May 2015 by william.scherk

 

Plug my How To Get Where I Got book of books, Spencer Weart's The Discovery of Global Warming. Insert link to Amazon, Library link, and to the intro chapter of Weart's companion website to the book. Make sure you include a link to Ellen's mention of a book review. 

Bob Kolker's June 3 comment is a good hinge. What do we (J and I) think we know about the mechanism Bob sketches? What can we 'stipulate' or what can we agree on, for the sake of argument?

On 6/3/2016 at 9:31 AM, BaalChatzaf said:

CO2 does  slow down the radiation of energy in the infra-red bandwith.  The question is to what degree  given that there are other systems that tend to diffuse and disperse heat (such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and El Nino, along with convection and the Coriolis Effect that moves warm are to the polar regions).  The scientific fact is that CO2 tends to absorb radiated energy in the infra red range.  That is NOT fabricated.  That is a matter of experimental fact. 

Please see http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation

The issue is to what extent is the CO2 load of the atmosphere is slowing down heat radiation into space, when such absorbing or radiation occurs along with other heat dispersing processes.   

No denies that putting a blanket on, when it is cold slows down the rate at which one's body radiates heat.  Air is a poor heat conductor and the blanket traps air.  Also the blanket is warmed and radiates half its heat back to the source.  This produces a net slowing down of heat loss.  Heat loss still occurs (Second Law of Thermodynamics in operation)  but the rate of loss is affected. 

Tyndol and Arhenius  established the heat absorbing properties of CO2  in the late 19 th and early 20 th century.  Subsequent work has show the absorbtion to be the case and has measured it even more accurately than Tyndol and Arhenius. 

 

 

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Posted by Ellen Stuttle,

Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped.  He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks.  Why? Ellen

Bad faith follies ... "Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped. He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks. Why?"

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William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question: Ellen

"William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question"

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Or...let's read everything ever published! If we don't do so, then we're evading and rubbishing and being intentionally ignorant. "Indicative of incuriosity."   It implies no such thing. You don't infer correctly.   It's interesting to me, too. What's even more interesting is real science. Getting to the heart of the matter is much more interesting than eternally dancing around it, avoiding it, ignoring it. Show me the science. But...if your trusted scientist who is

Sharp questions, but not unfair. How does one get to "the science?"

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Oh, okay, well then let's talk about the repeatable science of making vinegar and baking soda volcanoes! Douchebag. J

Douche bags and good faith ...

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No, it's time for a refresher in falsifiability, repeatability/reproducibility, and the rest of the scientific method. 'Member all of the questions that I've asked which you and your darling little snuggletits Brad haven't answered? Tee hee hee? Buh, buh, buh, look over there! Tasty steamed octopus! Squid a l'orange! Salamander foie gras! Oh, my, how embarrassing. He's not heard of foie gras. Listen to his mispronunciation of it. Tee hee hee. Such a rube.  No? Still no answers? Just more of

Who the f**k is John Tyndall and why do you keep mentioning him?

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Posted by Jonathan,

The deniers deserve to have their property destroyed. We don't have time to wait for the fucking deniers to agree with us. We're reaching the end. Running out of clock. Pretty soon, we're going to have to take serious measures, like butchering the fucking deniers. We have the right to do it. The deniers are putting our lives at risk. They're trying to get us all killed. So it's self defense for us to disembowel them. It's virtuous. Destroy! Kill!   Former Canadian Prime Minister:

"Playing a part, with extra oomph." Who is this person?

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I’m not living in 1995, douchebag. I’m simply recognizing the reality that there was a hiatus. I haven’t claimed that its currently happening, so don’t try to assign me that position, you dishonest twat. And I didn’t invent the term “hiatus.” It was a term used by the alleged “consensus” scientists and their governmental organizations during the many years that they were fretting about it and panicking about not being able to explain or account for it. Your attempts to downplay it or erase it wo

Join the discussion! Be called 'douchebag' and 'dishonest twat' ...

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Posted by william.scherk,

The "Greenhouse Effect" (GHE) has been discussed a lot on this site -- at various times and various places.  Ba'al Chatzaf (aka Bob Kolker) has been relatively constant in explaining it to readers¹, eg: Brant is on record as accepting the GHE, with caveats. My total impression is that Brant is more concerned with the 'green religion' extremism ... Jonathan hasn't stated his opinions or particular take in his own words (acceptance/rejection/skepticism) on the GHE explicitly -- at leas

Who's who, who asserts/accepts what in re GHE (the Greenhouse Effect)

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There's never a bad time to think about atmospheric physics.  "How does it work?"  

There's never a perfect time to update your 'stupid' assumptions ...

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"What do you want me to do, call you a boy-fucker?" Tone Patrol missed this itemized list: those of your way of thinking, sleaze, scientists and administrators promoting the end of times power grab has been breathtaking in its amateurishness do I see you, or people who think like you, slamming the dishonest assholes? scientist who promotes AGW cannot be trusted Al Gore is a clown and jerk You just keep arguing blast the idiots who abuse

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William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids. Someone whose name I won't mention once described him--I'm afraid accurately--as a "conflict junky." His superciliousness has become blatantly apparent. I'd guess his going off the rails like this has a lot to do with the election of Donald Trump. Like the left generally maybe he's in a state of fulmination. I like the guy, or so I thought, but the important and bigger picture is the red-blue divide as the United St

"William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids."

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

And your inclination is to bring the fascist here and hand him a microphone. Michael, why is this vicious, destructive little prick still able to post at OL?

Disagreement and deplatforming

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Bringing him here escalates what was simple bad faith into open hostility. Billy didn’t look for someone who could fill–in for his weakness in science, no he brought an intellectual Nazi attack dog. Just when it is time to acknowledge the deflection and games and apologize, his instinct is to instead pollute his host’s site with this Nazi trash.

Nazi attack dog, douchrag, nazi -- depersonalized discussion of disputed findings

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Sometimes people from Billyboy’s ideological world really blurt it out and advertise the fetishes for infliction of pain, suffering and destruction that they nourish within themselves.

Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Billy is intellectually brain dead. He refuses to engage in any discussion of scientific methodology. He doesn’t understand scientific methodology. He can’t so engage because has no grounding in any science or tech learning in his background. He refuses to engage in a genuine process of back and forth whereby he could learn something. He functions like a paid Soros propaganda robot. The joke is on us for engaging him at all.

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Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual. I have interacted with him online for at least fifteen years, I’ve openly disagreed with him and him with me countless times and we have never resorted to personality, never failed to remain on the intellectual plane of the discussion. He can do it, and I can do it (and you as well) because it really is what we want, what we are here for. As you know Bob and Merlin come here to prop up their low esteem by trying to show up people, show them a

The Emperor's new policeman: "Slamming these characters’ faces into a toilet in front of all is simply good old sweet, irreplaceable, precious Justice, a necessary action against their attempt to subvert the purpose of the forum."

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Michael Stuart Kelly

Jonathan,

:) 

13 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

And then the left would go even younger and cuter, but the right could be ready for that, and would switch to kittens and puppies.

The left in the House is already recycling Stormy Daniels, so I think we may soon see someone ask, what's wrong with recycling polar bears? There has to be an enormous stock of unused photos of them thrown aside in piles around the climate change world. Don't forget, one should not let a lonely polar bear go to waste, much less lots of 'em.

:)

Michael

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jonathan,

:) 

The left in the House is already recycling Stormy Daniels, so I think we may soon see someone ask, what's wrong with recycling polar bears? There has to be an enormous stock of unused photos of them thrown aside in piles around the climate change world. Don't forget, one should not let a lonely polar bear go to waste, much less lots of 'em.

:)

Michael

Totally. And the right needs to get its own mascots. It's missing out.

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Jonathan

Hey, Billy, did you watch any of the DoomFest on CNN?

Population control and lists upon lists of punishments. Yay! Fun stuff.

Plus Uncle Joe got a bloody eye.

Biden's eye fills with blood during CNN climate town hall

 | September 04, 2019 08:39 PM
 

Former Vice President Joe Biden appeared to have a blood vessel burst in his left eye while participating in CNN's town hall on climate change.

 

A broken blood vessel in the eye, also known as a subconjuctival hemorrhage, can be caused by several things, including high blood pressure, bleeding disorders, blood thinners, or even excessive straining.

Biden, 76, has long been plagued by health issues. In 1988, he suffered an aneurysm that burst and required him to undergo emergency surgery. The then-senator was so close to death that a Catholic priest began preparing to administer the sacrament of last rites.

Months later, surgeons clipped a second aneurysm before it burst. Biden then took a seven-month leave from the Senate following the surgery. Describing the operation, he once said, “They literally had to take the top of my head off.”

Jill Biden said in her recently released autobiography Where the Light Enters that, at the time, she feared her husband would never be the same. "Our doctor told us there was a 50-50 chance Joe wouldn't survive surgery," she wrote. "He also said that it was even more likely that Joe would have permanent brain damage if he survived. And if any part of his brain would be adversely affected, it would be the area that governed speech."

Doctors removed a benign polyp during a colonoscopy in 1996. In 2003, Biden had his gallbladder removed.

He suffers from asthma and allergies and takes a prescription drug to lower his cholesterol. He has also taken medication for an enlarged prostate.

Biden hasn’t disclosed his medical history since 2008, when doctors found he had an irregular heartbeat.

Biden has also raised eyebrows for the increasing number of verbal blunders he has made so far on the 2020 campaign trail, the schedule of which has been markedly lighter than his main rivals.

Those close to Biden nevertheless maintain that he is "a picture of health," according to a former aide who spoke to the Washington Examiner in April. Were he to win the 2020 presidential election, he would be the oldest president ever to be inaugurated.

 

 
 
 

 

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Michael Stuart Kelly
On 9/4/2019 at 11:38 AM, Jonathan said:

... eventually, the virtuous wokescolds will have to decide who will be sacrificed for the greater good.

Jonathan,

This particular news item caught the attention of POTUS.

He just retweeted this:

:)

Leave it to President Trump to be helpful to his critics. He's using his massive audience to help the manmade climate change people brand themselves correctly.

:) 

Michael

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Jon Letendre
17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Jonathan,

This particular news item caught the attention of POTUS.

He just retweeted this:

:)

Leave it to President Trump to be helpful to his critics. He's using his massive audience to help the manmade climate change people brand themselves correctly.

:) 

Michael

After they die?

How about that commerce in beating baby hearts?

Like live goldfish but not cold, 100 degrees F, and pricier.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/stemexpress-ceo-admits-selling-beating-baby-hearts-intact-baby-heads-in-daleiden-hearing

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Jon Letendre
On 9/4/2019 at 11:34 AM, Jonathan said:

The right should get themselves a spokeschild. One that's cuter, younger, and even more hypocritical and transparent than Greta. OMG, isn't it adorable how self-contradictory our spokes child is? Don't you dare criticize her! She's just a child.

And then the left would go even younger and cuter, but the right could be ready for that, and would switch to kittens and puppies.

J

 

 

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william.scherk

Consistency and hobgoblins ...

 

11 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

 

 

Arrhenius!  I wonder if Greta has bloodlines in common with Tyndall and Fourier as well ... the Gang Buster in Chief may know something:

 

 

 

 

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Jon Letendre

Geddes is getting on your nerves, eh, Billy? How much time do you spend examining the truth-tellers I repost? You seem obsessed, are you feeling ok? Take a break and go back for more later when you feel up to it, don’t overdo yourself, you have a lot of mental sewage to overcome, take your time.

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Jon Letendre

 

How much has ONE Foundation paid you to post for 15 years at OL, Billy?

Not as much as Barney’s reward for breaking into ARI.

Have any Objectivists here posted at, I don’t know, say a Gramsci site, for 15 years?  Would you have to be paid?

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Tee hee hee! 

Billy, I know that you don't have answers to any of the questions that I've asked many times here, so I won't ask them again in this post. What I'm currently wondering is if you understand the questions yet, and their relevance. Have you put any effort into grasping what you're being asked? I've mentioned in a previous post somewhere that I don't think that you have the cognitive ability to grasp the relevance of the questions, much like how Merlin can't grasp the Aristotle's Wheel issue, and how Bob can't grasp the South Pole Travel puzzle. What I wonder is if you even want to try to grasp what you're not getting?

 

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Michael Stuart Kelly

Wow.

Now I'm going to go off and hang my head in shame. Maybe even commit suicide.

How dare I?

I have failed them! The young people!

How dare I?

And they are watching me!

Oh, woe is me... Woe is all of us oppressors...

(Kinda cute how she keeps looking at the piece of paper and gradually gets less emotional over time. They will have to work out this problem in her rehearsals. :) )

Michael

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Speaking of triage ... 

Russia adopts Paris climate agreement: decree

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Russia’s prime minister on Monday gave formal support to the Paris climate agreement and ordered Russian laws to be adapted to its obligations, according to a decree posted on the government’s website.

The document signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev says that Russia is formally adopting the 2015 Paris agreement and will now “allocate financial resources… to developing countries for prevention and adaptation to climate change.”

While not formally named a “ratification,” the government said in a statement that the decree signifies Russia’s adoption of the agreement and “Russia’s consent to the obligations under the Paris Agreement”.

[...]

 

 

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Jonathan
5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Wow.

Now I'm going to go off and hang my head in shame. Maybe even commit suicide.

How dare I?

I have failed them! The young people!

How dare I?

And they are watching me!

Oh, woe is me... Woe is all of us oppressors...

(Kinda cute how she keeps looking at the piece of paper and gradually gets less emotional over time. They will have to work out this problem in her rehearsals. :) )

Michael

She's better than Billy at serving up tasty steamed octopus! Dayyam! People are DYING!!!! Fuckers need to be punished right goddamned now for future catastrophes! We can't wait. Immediate pain to the grups for what they done to Greta's childhood and her future of doom.

J 

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Michael Stuart Kelly
8 hours ago, Jonathan said:

She's better than Billy at serving up tasty steamed octopus! Dayyam! People are DYING!!!! Fuckers need to be punished right goddamned now for future catastrophes! We can't wait. Immediate pain to the grups for what they done to Greta's childhood and her future of doom.

Jonathan,

Here's what I actually see in Greta's personal future of doom:

(Story here: This Woman Put an Octopus on Her Face—And Wound up In the Hospital After It Bit Her.)

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:)

Michael

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Michael Stuart Kelly
8 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

(Kinda cute how she keeps looking at the piece of paper and gradually gets less emotional over time. They will have to work out this problem in her rehearsals. :) )

Terrence thinks the performance is funny, too.

:)

Michael

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Jon Letendre

🤣Oh shit. I had avoided seeing any video of her until just now. I'm laughing hard and seeking out more clips now! See, I have always enjoyed repeating stupid shit progressives say either out loud or just in my head, in a high-pitched, fighting back tears, panicked and hysterical kind of voice. (Sometimes I read Billy in that voice.) And she has me down exactly. 😆 The fighting back sobs to get back on statement, all of it, everything, god I'm laughing so hard! 😂

I'm not good with accents but I really want to add that now.

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