jts Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I don't know whether to believe this. Atlas shrugged, the whole book, all 1053 pages, in pdf for free. I thought there was a copyright restriction. http://www.monomania.ca/car/PDFs/Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 hours ago, jts said: I don't know whether to believe this. Atlas shrugged, the whole book, all 1053 pages, in pdf for free. I thought there was a copyright restriction. http://www.monomania.ca/car/PDFs/Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand.pdf Has the copyright expired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeyfoot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 According to one source the copyright expires in 35 yrs. All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was created, but not published, before 1978, the copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years. It can be scanned, uploaded, and distributed via the internet or any other means with the permission of the publisher. Laws are enforced only when harm is found and prosecuted only when charges are brought. The price of protecting yourself does not come free. If someone violates the rights of a copyright owner, the owner is entitled to file a lawsuit in federal court asking the court to: issue orders to prevent further violations (restraining orders and injunctions) award money damages if appropriate, and. in some circumstances, award attorney fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 Plus more books. Including Fountainhead. http://www.monomania.ca/car/PDFs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, jts said: Plus more books. Including Fountainhead. http://www.monomania.ca/car/PDFs/ Needlepoint design? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Nothing is "free." Everything costs something. As for Atlas Shrugged, Peikoff disfigured it with his Introduction or Preface. Ayn would have taken a blowtorch to him for that. --Brant not his biggest "crime" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Apparently libraries are permitted under the law to lend out items of copyrighted material that they (the libraries) have purchased. I assume if you as a private citizen buy a book that is copyrighted you are permitted under the law to -lend- the book to someone else, but you are not permitted to make copies or reproductions of the book without permission of the copyright holder or quote extensively from the book in derivative publications. Short quotes ("fair use") is permitted under the law. The owner of the copyright cannot compel everyone who purchased a copyrighted item to collect a fee and remit it to the copyright holder. A similar rule holds for patents. The automobile you own has many patented components but you can lend, rent or even sell the auto since it, as a whole, is your property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Bob, Digital copies are in a special category. When you take a paper copy from an owner, you remove a physical copy. The owner has one copy less. When you make a digital copy of a digital copy, the owner keeps his own copy intact. So, after a long debate a while ago, Congress acted and digital copies are now governed by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). If anyone is really out of joint by the link above, they should send the link to ARI or Peikoff so they can issue a DMCA takedown notice to the needlepoint design Wordpress blog that has the PDF on its server. But this one is so miniscule, I'm not even sure ARI or Peikoff will bother. They would be within their rights, but this one is more trouble than it's worth. Rather than spending the precious unrepeatable hours of their lives on important stuff (like major copyright violators), they will be bickering with the owner of a needlepoint design blog that has little to no traffic. I suppose it could be satisfying if someone over there gets in a real control freak mood. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Bob, Digital copies are in a special category. When you take a paper copy from an owner, you remove a physical copy. The owner has one copy less. When you make a digital copy of a digital copy, the owner keeps his own copy intact. So, after a long debate a while ago, Congress acted and digital copies are now governed by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). If anyone is really out of joint by the link above, they should send the link to ARI or Peikoff so they can issue a DMCA takedown notice to the needlepoint design Wordpress blog that has the PDF on its server. But this one is so miniscule, I'm not even sure ARI or Peikoff will bother. They would be within their rights, but this one is more trouble than it's worth. Rather than spending the precious unrepeatable hours of their lives on important stuff (like major copyright violators), they will be bickering with the owner of a needlepoint design blog that has little to no traffic. I suppose it could be satisfying if someone over there gets in a real control freak mood. Michael I was thinking that reproducing a copy denies the original author an opportunity from selling one of his books. Why buy what one can get for free. Example: Suppose I borrow Atlas Shrugged from the library and made a copy of it on my copy machine (highly unlikely at 3 cents a page, but it is just an example). I now am the proud owner of a paper and ink copy of AS but the copyright holder has been deprived of the opportunity to sell a copy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said: I was thinking that reproducing a copy denies the original author an opportunity from selling one of his books. Why buy what one can get for free. Example: Suppose I borrow Atlas Shrugged from the library and made a copy of it on my copy machine (highly unlikely at 3 cents a page, but it is just an example). I now am the proud owner of a paper and ink copy of AS but the copyright holder has been deprived of the opportunity to sell a copy to me. What principle are you trying to illustrate? The practical limits to thief? --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said: What principle are you trying to illustrate? The practical limits to thief? --Brant No principle. I was just trying to figure out what the copyright rules were. By the way I am currently reading that copy of AS that I download. I am not printing it out because at 3 cents a page it would cost me over $30.00 and I can get the book cheaper at a used book store. But it is convenient for me to read the downloaded pdf on my computer screen. The copyright holder is not deprived of an opportunity to sell a new copy to me because I have no intention of buying a new copy. The copyright hold is not out anything. He is in the same position that he would be in if I borrowed a copy of AS from the local library. Nothing was taken unethically as far as I can make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, BaalChatzaf said: No principle. I was just trying to figure out what the copyright rules were. By the way I am currently reading that copy of AS that I download. I am not printing it out because at 3 cents a page it would cost me over $30.00 and I can get the book cheaper at a used book store. But it is convenient for me to read the downloaded pdf on my computer screen. The copyright holder is not deprived of an opportunity to sell a new copy to me because I have no intention of buying a new copy. The copyright hold is not out anything. He is in the same position that he would be in if I borrowed a copy of AS from the local library. Nothing was taken unethically as far as I can make out. Let the copyright holder make a claim and work it on out from there. One thing I think you are not entitled to do is sell what you have to another party. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 9 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said: I was thinking that reproducing a copy denies the original author an opportunity from selling one of his books. Why buy what one can get for free. Example: Suppose I borrow Atlas Shrugged from the library and made a copy of it on my copy machine (highly unlikely at 3 cents a page, but it is just an example). I now am the proud owner of a paper and ink copy of AS but the copyright holder has been deprived of the opportunity to sell a copy to me. Bob, I was going to say something, but you just proved my point: 9 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said: By the way I am currently reading that copy of AS that I download. I am not printing it out because at 3 cents a page it would cost me over $30.00 and I can get the book cheaper at a used book store. But it is convenient for me to read the downloaded pdf on my computer screen. The copyright holder is not deprived of an opportunity to sell a new copy to me because I have no intention of buying a new copy. The copyright hold is not out anything. The fact is, in the online world, many people who download things for free would never buy them. So no sale opportunity is denied in reality. If no sale would have been made, how can it be denied? In fact, most downloaders don't even read what they download. I became aware of this studying Internet marketing. I started hanging out at black hat forums to see what the dark side looked like. But wait! There's more! What I learned is that a huge percentage of digital product owners and sellers in the IM world hang out on black hat forums and some even encourage black hatters to download their stuff illicitly for free. They consider the possibility that among the black hatters are people too poor to buy the products, but who will become wealthy later, thus owe them one so to speak, and that many black hatters sell products as affiliates. At any rate, unless a downloader does something to interfere with actual buyers, the product owner is not out any money. In fact, for unknown authors, they can even make money if the downloader actually reads the work and comments to others about it--it's word of mouth advertising that would not have existed otherwise and stimulates sales. Free buzz, so to speak. I'm not mentioning any of this to make a moral justification. I'm just giving some of the practical reasons this practice sticks around so much and is not punished as harshly or as rigorously as theft of physical objects is. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Bob, I was going to say something, but you just proved my point: The fact is, in the online world, many people who download things for free would never buy them. So no sale opportunity is denied in reality. If no sale would have been made, how can it be denied? In fact, most downloaders don't even read what they download. I became aware of this studying Internet marketing. I started hanging out at black hat forums to see what the dark side looked like. But wait! There's more! What I learned is that a huge percentage of digital product owners and sellers in the IM world hang out on black hat forums and some even encourage black hatters to download their stuff illicitly for free. They consider the possibility that among the black hatters are people too poor to buy the products, but who will become wealthy later, thus owe them one so to speak, and that many black hatters sell products as affiliates. At any rate, unless a downloader does something to interfere with actual buyers, the product owner is not out any money. In fact, for unknown authors, they can even make money if the downloader actually reads the work and comments to others about it--it's word of mouth advertising that would not have existed otherwise and stimulates sales. Free buzz, so to speak. I'm not mentioning any of this to make a moral justification. I'm just giving some of the practical reasons this practice sticks around so much and is not punished as harshly or as rigorously as theft of physical objects is. Michael This is an excellent clarification. Since you own and run a 'blog you de man on copyright questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 hours ago, Brant Gaede said: Let the copyright holder make a claim and work it on out from there. One thing I think you are not entitled to do is sell what you have to another party. --Brant I would not do such a thing. The contents of what I download is NOT my property so I am in no position to sell or lend it. A physical copy that I download is my possession (not property) for personal use only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Modern copyright issues are still being worked out. As for not being your property, all should take your word on that. (No sarcasm.) --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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