Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: When a guy brought live arms into Comet Pizza... William, It's funny how that trumped up distraction ain't working, ain't it? I mean, the real Trump did sign that mean old executive order... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I mean, the real Trump did sign that mean old executive order... Michael Bush signed one in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Good question: Why the MSM Is Ignoring Trump's Sex Trafficking Busts by Liz Crokin Liz Crokin Townhall Feb 25, 2017 From the article: Quote Since President Donald Trump has been sworn in on Jan. 20, authorities have arrested an unprecedented number of sexual predators involved in child sex trafficking rings in the United States. This should be one of the biggest stories in the national news. Instead, the mainstream media has barely, if at all, covered any of these mass pedophile arrests. This begs the question – why? As a strong advocate for sex crime victims, I’ve been closely following the pedophile arrests since Trump took office. There have been a staggering 1,500-plus arrests in one short month; compare that to less than 400 sex trafficking-related arrests in 2014 according to the FBI. . . . Here’s a rundown of some of the massive sex trafficking rings that have been broken up since Trump took office. -On Jan. 27 authorities arrested 42 in a human trafficking operation in Tennessee. -On Jan. 29 authorities announced that 474 were arrested in a statewide California human trafficking operation and 28 sexually exploited children were rescued. -108 were arrested from Jan. 18 to Feb. 5 in Illinois as part of a national sex trafficking sting operation. - 178 people were arrested in Texas for sex trafficking in sting that operated in January till Super Bowl Sunday. -16 people were arrested in January in Michigan for sex trafficking during the Detroit Auto Show. -In February, authorities arrested 11 in Virginia in a child sex sting. -On Feb. 14 the Polk County sheriff announced that 42 were arrested in Florida in child pornography related cases. . . . The recent pedophile arrests are just the tip of the iceberg... Links to the different arrests and a discussion about Milo are in the article. It's coming... A new day is coming... And that's good news for a lot of kids. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 To drive the point home, I just did a quick skim of the videos of the Sunday talk shows. They all have some variation of "investigating Russian ties" in their headlines or descriptions. So while they are on their own wild goose chase for a propaganda boogey man the Clinton folks dreamed up, President Trump is investigating pedophilia ties among the elite class and elsewhere. The mainstream media is silent on the president's investigation, but is it any contest how this is going to turn out? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Extra bolding here and there. 18 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 20 hours ago, william.scherk said: When a guy brought live arms into Comet Pizza... William, It's funny how that trumped up distraction ain't working, ain't it? It is funny how phrases get truncated sometimes. When Edgar Madison Welch gave a real scare to Comet Ping Pong in DC, by discharging a rifle, the pizza joint continued its normal business. Which, in my opinion, is pizza and entertainment, not child sexual abuse, kidnapping, trafficking or satanic cult ceremonies involving children. If you have a theory that Welch's visit was Trumped, have at 'er, Maestro. 16 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Why the MSM Is Ignoring Trump's Sex Trafficking Busts [...] Quote Since President Donald Trump has been sworn in on Jan. 20, authorities have arrested an unprecedented number of sexual predators involved in child sex trafficking rings in the United States. In thirty-eight words, a lot to unpack -- unless of course one accepts all the suppositions embedded. First off, is it common sense to designate any police operation against prostitution, any sting against pedophiles, any arrest for human trafficking, is it common sense to call it all "Trump's"? That is a judgement call, I guess. The Mainstream Media is unqualified, so I expect Liz Crokin means national media such as the major networks and national old-line newspapers (CNN, ABC, NBC, FOXnews, CBS, New York and Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today). We'll check against the record for the arrests and operations Crokin details. But let us check her other claims in the first 38. "authorities" "sexual predators" "child sex trafficking rings" ... all these seem anodyne as descriptors. But. Which authorities, which kinds of predators, which particular stings or arrests come under the eyes of Liz Crokin? She reiterates, and slightly changes her opening. She says the MSM has 'barely' covered any of "these mass pedophile arrests," as if all the arrests were for crimes associated with pedophilia. "Mass pedophile arrests," but little if any coverage. She asks why, but I think her entire argument should be examined before accepting her premises, especially since she slops out in identification. Quote Quote I’ve been closely following the pedophile arrests since Trump took office. There have been a staggering 1,500-plus arrests in one short month; compare that to less than 400 sex trafficking-related arrests in 2014 according to the FBI. A comparison! A comparison of "pedophile arrests," right? Wrong, She implies that every one of 1500+ arrests is for 'pedophile arrests.' She compares against statistics provided by the FBI on 'human trafficking' for 2014. Did anyone yet visit Crokin's FBI link? If not, here is a definitional aid from it: So, given that human trafficking as defined is not simply prostitution or pimping or procuring -- it contains within its scope force, fraud, coercion, and most importantly it makes an age under which induced prostitution is deemed trafficking. If a person has been induced into prostitution and is under 18 years of age, this is human trafficking. If a person has been forced into involuntary servitude, this is a separate offence. Did Crokin make a valid comparison, so far? No, the comparison needs to use the same denominator. Let's see how she does. Quote Quote Here’s a rundown of some of the massive sex trafficking rings that have been broken up since Trump took office. -On Jan. 27 authorities arrested 42 in a human trafficking operation in Tennessee. Her date is correct, her link is 404, but the story is there in local mainstream news, with the sting operation fetching eight people who paid for sex with what they thought was an underage girl: During the three-day operation, undercover Agents posted four ads a day on Backpage.com, for about 7 hours a day. Approximately 475 different men responded to those ads posted. More than 8,779 contacts were made to those ads, through texts or phone calls. In some ads, undercover Agents posed as a juvenile girl. Eight men responded, and paid to have sex with an underage female. Two of those specifically paid money to have sex with 14-year-old girls. Two juvenile female victims of trafficking were recovered and referred to the Department of Children’s Services. Interestingly or not, the Tennessee authorities also did a similar sting in December 2016, while Trump was just President-elect! Along with detectives with the Metro Nashville Police Department, Homeland Security Investigations and the FBI, and the nonprofit End Slavery Tennessee, TBI Special Agents and intelligence analysts conducted the undercover operation to identify potential victims of trafficking and arrest those seeking to purchase illicit sex from a juvenile. During the three-day operation, undercover Agents posted ads on Backpage.com, and 485 men responded to those ads posted. More than 5,300 contacts were made to those ads, through texts or phone calls. In some ads, undercover Agents posed as a juvenile girl. Eighteen men responded, and paid to have sex with an underage female. “We’re not going to arrest our way out of this problem,” says TBI Director Mark Gwyn. “This is all demand-driven. These men paying for sex with children in our state are only continuing to victimize girls and women. It’s wrong, it’s illegal, and we will pursue these operations in small towns and big cities for as long as it takes.” [...] With the assistance of the nonprofit agency End Slavery Tennessee, the undercover operation also identified potential victims of trafficking. The women arrested were each offered services, including housing, counseling and addiction treatment. One woman took advantage of those services. She left the operation and was immediately placed in a safe house. Last year, Governor Bill Haslam signed legislation into law giving TBI original jurisdiction over investigations of human trafficking. Additionally, the state legislature approved funding for four Special Agents, who work exclusively to investigate human trafficking cases and train law enforcement statewide on recognizing and combating this type of crime. These four Special Agents, who have now completed their sixth operation across the state, have arrested or cited 143 individuals during that time. How is Liz Crokin doing? Well, she says she is "closely following the pedophile arrests since Trump took office." And how many 'pedophile arrests' does she assume were made in Nashville? All 42, it seems. Quote Quote -On Jan. 29 authorities announced that 474 were arrested in a statewide California human trafficking operation and 28 sexually exploited children were rescued. How many of these are "Pedophile arrests," you ask? The authorities said: In conjunction with Human Trafficking Awareness Month, Sheriff Jim McDonnell announced details and results from the third annual ‘Operation Reclaim and Rebuild’ enforcement operation, conducted by the Los Angeles Regional Human Trafficking Task Force and more than 30 participating federal state and local law enforcement agencies, and task forces from across California. [..] Operation Reclaim and Rebuild was widely successful in its endeavor with 28 commercially, sexually-exploited children and 27 adult victims being recovered; 142 males arrested for the charge of Solicitation; and 36 males arrested for pimping. In total, 474 arrests were made. Quote Quote -108 were arrested from Jan. 18 to Feb. 5 in Illinois as part of a national sex trafficking sting operation. Another non-working link from Crokin. Sloppy. Information at the actual story is interesting: The National Johns Suppression Initiative ran from Jan. 18 through Feb. 5 and led to the arrests of 29 sex traffickers and of 723 people who tried to purchase sex, the Cook County sheriff's office said. It included nearly 30 law enforcement agencies across 15 states. In Cook County, 101 alleged sex buyers were arrested by deputies and officers with the Lansing and Matteson police departments. In Lake County, two people were arrested. In Arlington Heights, five people were arrested. [...] The sheriff's office said the initiative was launched by Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart in 2011. More people were arrested and more law enforcement officers participated in this year's operation than ever before. Since the operation began, more than 6,500 alleged sex buyers and traffickers have been arrested across the country. Quote Quote - 178 people were arrested in Texas for sex trafficking in sting that operated in January till Super Bowl Sunday. Link: The operation was part of what's called the National Johns Suppression Initiative -- an annual initiative now in its 13th year. In Harris County, it ran from Jan. 4 through Super Bowl Sunday and netted the most arrests of any agency. Quote Quote -16 people were arrested in January in Michigan for sex trafficking during the Detroit Auto Show. Link: FBI Detroit spokesman Tim Wiley told WWJ’s Zahra Huber that 16 people were arrested, four pimps were identified and two children were recovered. “There was a large influx of people coming into our area and so with that, we do see a trend of increased human trafficking that takes place,” Wiley said. Wiley says there were 14 potential victims identified through the sting. Federal agents say many of the females being trafficked during the auto show were minors. Police also identified five adult victims, while two young teens were recovered from sex trafficking rings. Quote Quote -In February, authorities arrested 11 in Virginia in a child sex sting. Link: Eleven people in Virginia were arrested recently after a five-month cyber-sting operation led by the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Child Exploitation Unit in partnership with the Northern Virginia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. "The individuals identified and arrested initiated communication with the undercover officers, believing that they were chatting with young teenage girls," the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office said in a news release. It all started by chatting on a social media website. Spotsylvania investigators say these 11 men thought they were talking to a 13-year-old girl. Quote Quote -On Feb. 14 the Polk County sheriff announced that 42 were arrested in Florida in child pornography related cases. -- so, I will leave a question hanging: why don't these local-news stories break through to the national media? As for the equivocation by Crokin, it seems to me that any sting operation against 'trafficking' becomes pedophile trafficking becomes Trump's Sex Trafficking Busts, or the pedophile arrests since Trump took office. As if all the operations sprung from the head of Zeus. Which is quite a stretch. So, her points are that these are 'Trump Busts' and 'Pedophile Arrests' and 'unprecedented. It seems bizarre to cite operations of long-standing as coming from the Sun King or Zeus, or Trump. They seem on the face of it to have nothing to do with Trump's words or actions. That isn't to say that a new, nationalized strategy isn't a good idea. If it was a good idea in 2011, it would be a good idea now. Here is a national mainstream publication with Sex Buyers: Why Cops across the US Target Men Who Buy Prostitutes: Quote The Cook County Sheriff’s Office, led by Tom Dart, has been the driving force in a national push to make it harder for pimps to sell sex and johns to buy it. Until recently, most jurisdictions in the U.S. have focused their energy on arresting prostituted women— according to records from the Department of Justice, more than 43,000 women were arrested for prostitution-related offenses in 2010, compared to just over 19,000 men (this number includes johns, pimps, and male sex workers). But since 2011, Sheriff Dart’s office has organized the “National Day of Johns Arrests,” now re-named “National Johns Suppression Initiative,” a series of stings coordinated with other jurisdictions over the course of several weeks, aimed at encouraging a permanent change in police practices. Dart’s office now arrests just as many johns per year as sex workers, and with a radically different agenda— while clients are hit with a ticket and fine that can reach $1,300, sex workers are arrested and then offered counseling and job training through the Sheriff’s Women’s Justice Program, which is run by sex trafficking survivors. 60% of the money collected from johns’ fines goes to support the Women’s Justice Program, the other 40% goes to juvenile justice programs. Cook county does johns stings year-round, but the national initiative happens a few times a year. [...] Dart’s team isn’t the first to target guys who buy sex. Sweden criminalized pimps and buyers (but not individual sex workers) in 1999, in a policy now known as the “Nordic Model.” Government reports says this policy may have led to a reduction in street prostitution and trafficking of young and vulnerable girls from poor countries. Under the Nordic Model, which has also been adopted in Norway and Canada and endorsed by a non-binding European Parliament resolution, sex workers themselves don’t face arrest, only their clients do. Versions of this approach are slowly spreading across the U.S., but most jurisdictions continue to arrest prostitutes even as they turn their focus to sex buyers. New York established a special court system in 2013 to process sex workers and trafficking victims, with the goal of offering them counseling and social services, the same year Nassau County, NY caught more than 100 johns and posted their pictures online in a controversial sting called “Operation Flush the Johns.” Orange County, Calif. is cracking down on pimps and johns instead of prostitutes, reducing arrests of women as they increase arrests of men. Seattle has seen some early success in its “Buyer Beware” program, and in 2014, Seattle police arrested more sex buyers than prostitutes for the first time. “We make it very unpleasant for the person who’s out there purchasing the sex,” says Captain Eric Sano of the Seattle police department, “Because we believe there wouldn’t be as much supply if there wasn’t a demand.” So, what is left of the Trump Pedophile Arrests? Plenty, but not due to Trump and not all pedophiles. 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: President Trump is investigating pedophilia ties among the elite class and elsewhere. He is a busy guy. Fucking MSM says barely anything about his remarks. Trump touts effort to combat human trafficking Los Angeles Times-Feb 24, 2017 President Trump shares a link to an article about a meeting he had with representatives of organizations that deal with human trafficking. Trump vows to combat human trafficking Reuters-Feb 23, 2017 Trump vows to ''bring the full force and weight of our government'' to combat human trafficking. Rough Cut (no reporter narration). Trump vows to fight 'epidemic' of human trafficking bigstory.ap.org/article/.../trump-vows-fight-epidemic-human-trafficking Trump Vows to Fight 'Epidemic' of Human Trafficking - The New York ... https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/02/23/us/politics/ap-us-trump.html 3 days ago - Trump calls human trafficking a problem that is "not talked about enough." He says he will order the departments of Justice and Homeland ... Trump vows to fight 'epidemic' of human trafficking ABC News-Feb 23, 2017 President Donald Trump says he will bring the "full force and weight" of the U.S. government to combat an "epidemic" of human trafficking. Edited February 26, 2017 by william.scherk Fucking mainstream media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 49 minutes ago, william.scherk said: If you have a theory that Welch's visit was Trumped, have at 'er, Maestro. William, It's the bait and switch propagandists use all the time. Except it's backfiring now. The propagandists take one episode--and the event may be real or fabricated, it doesn't matter qua propaganda technique--and use it to stand for an entire group of things, usually to blank out of existence the real group of things they want to blast out of the public discourse, but sometimes to demonize a group. In fact, this is the whole story behind the intense media focus on debunking the Ping Pong Pizza thing while ignoring other more insidious and more widespread indications of pedophilia in the ruling class. The idea the propagandists try to promote is that if they can disprove anything about Ping Pong Pizza and turn it into a victimization story, the implication is that this disproves all of the sleaziness in Podesta's emails and most all pedophilia among the elites. As to the victimization story, Alefantis knows as well as anyone how useful this is. But his friendship with Podesta goes only so far when it comes to getting shot. So however the episode with the gun played out, no one got shot. Notice that, didja? It weakens the victimization story, but at least Alefantis keeps his ass intact. The zeal with which the propagandists use this line in the mainstream shows--to me at least--this is a classic propaganda attempt for misdirection and cover-up. What's worse, the execution of this propaganda is about as subtle as Nazi propaganda to demonize the Jews back in the day. That stuff worked well back then. Now, in the Internet world, when they do it as obvious as they are doing it, this indicates nothing more than plain old incompetence (unless they are singing to their own choir, who for some reason think they are geniuses). Wanna see proof? Look how the cannon ball of "fake news" shot at Breitbard, Infowars, etc., turned into a lethal boomerang returning to bash the hell out of NYT, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. Just look at the credibility numbers. They tried to deploy the "fake news" charge according to an old propaganda script and it returned to bite them in the ass. I guess the choir doesn't see it, but the public sure does. Those mainstream media dudes are doing low-level propaganda techniques and palming them off as reality. And the public gets it. They know how the magic trick works, so it ain't magic anymore. But the MSM keeps doing it like a lame-ass magician or comedian who keeps telling the same old joke. And the MSM keeps losing more and more credibility. But they keep doing it. They're acting like friggin' drug addicts who can't control their compulsions. And the poor things don't realize the Internet has blasted to shit their gatekeeping stranglehold on the news. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 17 hours ago, KorbenDallas said: 19 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I mean, the real Trump did sign that mean old executive order... Bush signed one in 2006. There was no Trump executive order signed. The Trump action is classed at the White House site under "Speeches and Remarks." The White House calls it "Remarks by President Trump at Listening Session on Domestic and International Human Trafficking." I'll direct the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies that have a role in preventing human trafficking to take a hard look at the resources and personnel that they're currently devoting to this fight. Now, they are devoting a lot, but we're going to be devoting more. [...] You start with really a tremendous amount of energy and blood, sweat and tears. Government can be helpful, but without you, nothing would happen. So, again, I want to thank everybody in this room. It's a very, very terrible problem. It's not talked about enough. People don't know enough about it. And we're going to talk about it, and we're going to bring it out into the open and hopefully we're going to do a great deal to help prevent some of the horrific -- really horrific -- crimes that are taking place. This is great. He may be able to marshal a greater effort to combat the scourge. Let's see what develops from this 'mean old executive order' listening session. -- bear in mind that the President has addressed federal policy with an executive order. That order, dating from February 9, sets wider goals which include among them the detection and prosecution of human trafficking: Quote Sec. 2. Policy. It shall be the policy of the executive branch to: (a) strengthen enforcement of Federal law in order to thwart transnational criminal organizations and subsidiary organizations, including criminal gangs, cartels, racketeering organizations, and other groups engaged in illicit activities that present a threat to public safety and national security and that are related to, for example: (i) the illegal smuggling and trafficking of humans, drugs or other substances, wildlife, and weapons; (ii) corruption, cybercrime, fraud, financial crimes, and intellectual-property theft; or (iii) the illegal concealment or transfer of proceeds derived from such illicit activities. This also strikes me as good. What it has to do with the Blob, or Pizzagate, I await elaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: In thirty-eight words, a lot to unpack... William, Actually there's very little to unpack. Pedophiles are going to jail. As President Trump's project unfolds, many many many more pedophiles are going to go to jail. You can try to gotcha the details, but that's about it. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 22 hours ago, william.scherk said: Do read the Buzzfeed article that shriveled up the old Seaman balls. No. Yes. I read the Buzzfeed article. I also read about 2/3 of the 276 current comments. Talk about eyestrain, but I'd have read to the end if I'd had the time. Other things to get on with today. The article is a blatant call for youtube's controlling content according to the author's desires. What interests me is (1) that the overwhelming majority of the replies - I'd estimate more than 95% - are negative about the article; and (2) that several replies say that young people are being turned off to leftist notions. For example: //quote Michael Crocker United States Air Force// "Intdellectually dishonest sack of excrement. The old tried & tru (overused) #13 in the bag of leftist arsewipe smears. "You have a different opinion from me, I must be an aggressive fascist and tamp down your opinion" whilst incorrectly referring to the other person as a Nazi. Yawn. Try again dipshit, you fail again, as always. You and your ilk are so pathetic & laughable. You've become the oppressive establishment and the younger generation have already caught onto your BS. They are the most conservative/libertarian generation in decades, and they are the embodiment of the repudiation of your ridiculous ethos. You are the cause of Donald Trump, behold & enjoy your creation. Congratulations, you enormous twat, you've become irrelevent by your own hand. "Conservatism is the new counter-culture." 2 · Feb 25, 2017 11:03am · Edited //end quote// Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 47 minutes ago, william.scherk said: There was no Trump executive order signed. The Trump action is classed at the White House site under "Speeches and Remarks." The White House calls it "Remarks by President Trump at Listening Session on Domestic and International Human Trafficking." I'll direct the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies that have a role in preventing human trafficking to take a hard look at the resources and personnel that they're currently devoting to this fight. Now, they are devoting a lot, but we're going to be devoting more. [...] You start with really a tremendous amount of energy and blood, sweat and tears. Government can be helpful, but without you, nothing would happen. So, again, I want to thank everybody in this room. It's a very, very terrible problem. It's not talked about enough. People don't know enough about it. And we're going to talk about it, and we're going to bring it out into the open and hopefully we're going to do a great deal to help prevent some of the horrific -- really horrific -- crimes that are taking place. This is great. He may be able to marshal a greater effort to combat the scourge. Let's see what develops from this 'mean old executive order' listening session. -- bear in mind that the President has addressed federal policy with an executive order. That order, dating from February 9, sets wider goals which include among them the detection and prosecution of human trafficking: Quote Sec. 2. Policy. It shall be the policy of the executive branch to: (a) strengthen enforcement of Federal law in order to thwart transnational criminal organizations and subsidiary organizations, including criminal gangs, cartels, racketeering organizations, and other groups engaged in illicit activities that present a threat to public safety and national security and that are related to, for example: (i) the illegal smuggling and trafficking of humans, drugs or other substances, wildlife, and weapons; (ii) corruption, cybercrime, fraud, financial crimes, and intellectual-property theft; or (iii) the illegal concealment or transfer of proceeds derived from such illicit activities. This also strikes me as good. Thanks, yea absolutely. Googling a bit more from what I mentioned above about Bush, I found that Bill Clinton signed the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000, apologies if this is information you already know. Here is more information about its history, from the page: The Trafficking Victims Protection Act was subsequently renewed in 2003, 2006, 2008 (when it was renamed the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008). The law lapsed in 2011. In 2013, the entirety of the Trafficking Victims Protection was attached as an amendment to the Violence Against Women Act and passed.[2] So combined with Trump's efforts, I think one can induct that all modern US Presidents have initiatives against human trafficking. 48 minutes ago, william.scherk said: What it has to do with the Blob, or Pizzagate, I await elaboration. When I worked around law enforcement and the courts at the local level, top priority for them was going after child sex crimes, this was placed over going after drugs. (And they caught a lot of bad guys.) I don't recall POTUS ever being the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 On David Seaman deleting his videos on YT (I presume it is more plausible he deleted them since his account still exists, albeit there are the usual suspects all over the place claiming censorship by YouTube before they know anything for sure), here is one guy who claims he single-handedly is responsible for taking David out: I've only seen the first 12 minutes so far, but I believe it's got enough meat that it's important to look at this side, too. The byline of the "Lift the Veil" YouTube account is "Usually right. Always honest." and the about page description of his channel is: "The honest truth." He says he's honest. He says he's honest again. And nobody questioned that to begin with... Hmmmmm... I ain't sayin' nothin', I'm just sayin'. I have a feeling this David Seaman thing is going to go on for some time. Let's see what turns up. It's hard to know what to believe at this point. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) On 2/25/2017 at 1:24 PM, Guy One said: President Trump announced that federal agencies will be bringing Pizzagate! criminals to justice (or, "President Trump Holds Anti-Human Trafficking Meeting 2/23/17"). Michael sometimes likes to take small quotes, and this occasionally leads to misunderstanding. When no sense of an accompanying argument is left, I call this Truncquoating. Eg, a remark excised from its sense ... and a response that reminds me of waffles: 2 hours ago, Guy Two said: 22 hours ago, Guy One said: When a guy brought live arms into Comet Pizza... It's funny how that trumped up distraction ain't working, ain't it? I mean, I don't understand what Guy Two is saying. Is it my quote, the fact of an armed man at Comet Ping Pong, a distraction from some important point? Here's how it develops with some blanked-out context reinserted. 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: 20 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 22 hours ago, william.scherk said: On 2/25/2017 at 1:37 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I, for one, am keeping an open mind. Not saying yes or no. One thing is clear to me. The issue is bigger than one pizza parlor. Yes. No. John Podesta, a ringleader in Satanic pedophile trafficking. Yes no. Should be in jail for pedophile crimes. No. The core narrative of Pizzagate (place, people, crimes) is true. Hmmm. Mmmmm. Maybe bleeeeeeend yes and no together. Noyyes. No. Yes. One thing is clear ... When a guy brought live arms into Comet Pizza, Comet Pizza kept going. When somebody wrote that David Seaman has a racket on Youtube, David Seaman shut down his Twitter account. William, It's funny how that trumped up distraction ain't working, ain't it? It is funny how phrases get truncated sometimes. When Edgar Madison Welch gave a real scare to Comet Ping Pong in DC, by discharging a rifle, the pizza joint continued its normal business. Which, in my opinion, is pizza and entertainment, not child sexual abuse, kidnapping, trafficking or satanic cult ceremonies involving children. If you have a theory that Welch's visit was Trumped, have at 'er, Maestro. What do we get that has to do with Welch's visit, or opinions held on the central notion of a child sex trafficking ring at the pizza parlour? 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: If you have a theory that Welch's visit was Trumped, have at 'er, Maestro. William, It's the bait and switch propagandists use all the time. Except it's backfiring now. To belabour the obvious, I was making a comparison. When under 'attack' by Pizzagate 'investigators,' the pizza parlour stayed open. When a man showed up armed with a rifle and handgun, when he shot off a round inside the restaurant, the pizza parlour stayed open. Comet stood its ground and vigorously challenged hysterical alt-media obsessions. I compare this to David Seaman, who gets a dose of criticism from a Buzzfeed story. So fucking what? Comet got and gets slagged off as Pezzophile HQ, its principals denounced as Satanic child abusers, threatened by vigilante action. Imagine that. Seaman, he says he got death threats and so he had to shut down his Twitter account. He has at least momentarily shut his media operations down entirely. What a weakling. Now, maybe the comparison is sour or invalid. It is just that I find the Pizzagate owners and staff braver than David Seaman. I mean, if you were an employee, what did Mr Welch's visit do to your peace of mind? Were you frightened by the implications that a mind can come up with, scary notions of armed men invading your work place? Did any of the attention of 'investigators' frighten or bewilder people related to the parlour? So, compare to David Seaman attracting a round of abuse via his Twitter account. Did he report any threat received? Unknown. Thrilling conspiracy notions may come to mind. So may other unpleasant speculations. If someone thinks David Seaman is a bit of a showboat and a self-promoter, or even a drama-queen squawk-box for funding, so what? If he gets one-half of the abuse directed at Comet Pizza (for which he is partly responsible) and gets all triggered, so what? I mean, so what if he is an unreliable reporter who does not stand by his wild charges. Would any of his shoddy investigation mean a hill of beans were he not under the Red Hat? Edited February 26, 2017 by william.scherk The poison is in the dose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I see where this is going ... 19 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: It's coming... A new day is coming... And that's good news for a lot of kids. 4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: President Trump is investigating pedophilia ties among the elite class and elsewhere. When not among the pedophiles at Mar-A-Lago or the Qataris with their child-brides at his DC hotel. I mean, it's not like Dragnet, is it? With a dragnet out for all the suspects, to be brought in for questioning? Where does he start? At the back door of Comet Ping Pong? I think he is wise to avoid a more Nordic-Canadian model** going forward; if there will be a new inter-agency task force that somehow calls in Podesta and Clinton and Alefantis and Huma and all the bloody alleged satanic criminals, I hope they do a good job of American justice. I should note that Trump is also magnificently leading anti-trafficking efforts in Canada, where these things do get way more national MSM exposure: Canadian banks, police following money trail to target human ... The Globe and Mail-Feb 21, 2017 Canada's financial watchdog has sent more than 100 disclosures to police in the past year on human trafficking in a quiet new initiative that ... New Ontario legislation would give human trafficking survivors ... The Globe and Mail-Feb 22, 2017 Human trafficking survivors would be allowed to sue their traffickers ... where about two-thirds of all police-reported cases in Canada occur. Strengthening Ontario's Human Trafficking LawsInternational-Government of Ontario News-Feb 22, 2017 View all Toronto man arrested in human trafficking investigation involving girl ... Toronto Star-Feb 23, 2017 Michael Okoaki, 26, is facing 12 charges following a human trafficking investigation involving at 16-year-old girl. (Toronto Police handout). 'Anyone can be a victim': Canadian high school girls being lured into ... CBC.ca-Jan 29, 2017 Most stories about human trafficking that make it into the headlines in Canada involve women from other countries being brought here and ... Seaforth set to be destination for human trafficking workshopSeaforth Huron Expositor-Jan 29, 2017 View all Human trafficking law starts from scratch, without tougher sentencing ... CBC.ca-Feb 9, 2017 Human trafficking law starts from scratch, without tougher ... Human traffickers go unpunished in Canada · High school girls lured into sex trade ... Government of Canada introduces legislation to strengthen human ...Yahoo Finance-Feb 9, 2017 View all Halifax man arrested for human trafficking in Toronto faces 5 new ... CBC.ca-Jan 31, 2017 A man arrested last fall for allegedly recruiting a Halifax teen and forcing her to work at a Toronto spa is facing five new human trafficking ... Halifax man faces additional charges in human trafficking investigationInternational-640 Toronto News-Jan 31, 2017 View all Flight attendant shares story of saving trafficking victim BBC News-Feb 6, 2017 It turned out the girl was a human trafficking victim - and Ms Fedrick's ... Airline Ambassadors' website says a trafficking victim may appear afraid ... RCMP educates future educators on dangers of human trafficking Montreal Gazette-Feb 13, 2017 Since 2005, when human trafficking was introduced to Canada's Criminal Code, the centre has documented at least 360 cases where charges ... Human trafficking is happening in Halton theifp.ca-Feb 15, 2017 In fact, 93 per cent of trafficked survivors are from Canada. To combat humantrafficking and sexual exploitation of these young girls, Sexual ... , 4 hours ago, Morning Glory McGotcha said: You are so gullible. Trunk Wote! ________________________ ** there is no 'Nordic Model' in Canada, nor any "Canadian Model," in terms of unusual laws surrounding prostitution (as separable from sex-trafficking per the FBI reporting standards). Archaic laws had been hacked at by the course of law challenges, some of which swept away old portions of the Criminal Code. Believe it or not, the enforcement of no law is difficult. Then the Conservatives plugged the holes with a 2014 law which doesn't end up measurably reforming "sex work" at all, and has sent much activity back to the shadows and margins. The new law package made buying of sex illegal. Some cities have de-prioritized using the new law to go after the same old targets: brothels, escorts, taxi-leagues, advertisements. So, Vancouver has a different set of priorities in dealing with street prostitution, even though the new law allows them to effectively stop their soliciting. Underground in the open ground. In a rich city in a rich province in a rich country, harm-reduction is the policy. Meaning, the prostitute is offered services comparable to those riven by drugs or coercion. They are not charged for selling themselves in exchange for sex, because that was since the sixties not a crime in itself in Canada. Those who are confined or coerced by criminal gangs are 'rescued' from strip clubs. They aren't immediately charged with prostitution, of course, but are treated as victims of sex-trafficking. Similarly, girls and boys at the upper end of the age of consent (under our weird staged law) are treated as abuse victims, regardless of their 'willing' prostitution, because that kind of under-age sex is forbidden by other modern statutes as well as the new law. I guess the essence of the so-called Nordic or (non-existent) Canadian model is that the criminal becomes the consumer, and the prostitutes themselves almost always get the break. But are johns being hauled in day and night? No. The background to Vancouver's 'nordique' model of harm-reduction and prostitute-safety-net provision is the horrifying serial murders of marginal "sex workers" accomplished by an evil man. The cover of marginality robbed those cases of investigation in the early days, shaming the Vancouver police department (and later the RCMP), and generally shaming the 'permission' given to that unsupervised street market in earlier 'soft' times. City Rights! Basically, the VPD does not enforce the new law to punish johns of 'regular' prostitutes. Their attention is to the safety of the prostitute, supposedly. Allied with a national law-enforcement effort to enforce human-trafficking and sexual abuse laws. Beat cops in the crawl areas maintain the most cordial relations they can have, in order that The Girls and The Boys report bad johns for assaults. There are some very grim streets in the city. But doesn't every North American city of a certain size have a "stroll"? 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Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: On 2/25/2017 at 3:24 PM, Guy One said: President Trump announced that federal agencies will be bringing Pizzagate! criminals to justice (or, "President Trump Holds Anti-Human Trafficking Meeting 2/23/17"). Michael sometimes likes to take small quotes, and this occasionally leads to misunderstanding. When no sense of an accompanying argument is left, I call this Truncquoating. William, You are normally better than this. Your post makes it look like that quote is from me and not you. Also, your misleading quote makes it seem like Trump announced something about Pizzagate. As far as I can tell, he has never said anything about Pizzagate. If you're a bit wound up about me talking about propagandists, look at what you are doing here. That's right in line with what I am talking about. It's almost like you took lessons from the Buzzfeed dude. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: I mean, I don't understand what Guy Two is saying. William, Well, maybe you don't. But then again, I don't think you still understand why President Trump won. You have to start by trying to understand. I don't see much attempt at this point. So let 'er rip and have at it. I don't mind at all. My side--the good guys--won and the nastier folks among the bad guys are going to jail. Some not yet, but the worst among them will soon be out of commission. You, by the way, are not a bad guy. But your side touting big corrupt government is. As for me, I like a desert saying: the dogs bark as the caravan passes by. Can't complain. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: ... here is one guy who claims he single-handedly is responsible for taking David out... I finished watching that whole video. I'm not swayed about the picture this guy wants to paint of David Seaman, but he does present some interesting information. 5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: The byline of the "Lift the Veil" YouTube account is "Usually right. Always honest." and the about page description of his channel is: "The honest truth." He says he's honest. He says he's honest again. And nobody questioned that to begin with... Hmmmmm... I ain't sayin' nothin', I'm just sayin'. The guy's name is Nathan Stoltman, which he gave around the 38 minute mark (give or take a little). Then he presented what's known in marketing as a damning admission. This is when you highlight some minor defect of yours that is not essential to what you are selling to make you appear more human. For example, if you are selling a car, you can own up to the client that you can't control your eating when you get around fast food, even when you know that overindulging will make you feel bad. The client thus sees you and having problems with self-control like he has, but this problem has nothing to do with the car or the deal. And it's not so serious that he throws the salesman's moral character in doubt. Oddly enough, Nathan Stoltman's damning admission is that he is a former car salesman who only started doing videos in 2015, a failed actor, formally diagnosed as mentally ill, and that Google did not approve him for getting his videos monetized. All I can do is stare in wonder. I just spent about 40 minutes watching this guy's video. I know I wasted my time, but I'm not irritated, much less mad. What on earth is it that makes me so fond of the crazies? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 As long as I'm consorting with crazies, look what I just found in a Google search on a site called Voat (see here for the link). It seems like the poster deleted his or her account. Quote David Seaman is losing it after that Buzzfeed hit job (pizzagate) submitted 1.5 days ago by [deleted] David's a friend of mine. I posted this on Donald Trump's subreddit and it was deleted in under a minute. His Paypal has been frozen twice, his Patreon keeps getting messed with, bank cards frozen, police patrol cars regularly in front of his apartment to intimidate him. When I hang out with him, he keeps his cell phone in another room, says he can't stand the constant harassment emails and messages he receives every minute. His close friend Ashley and her roommate were stabbed to death under fishy circumstances as he was at the height of slinging mud at Molesta and Hitlery on Youtube. Police say it was a druggie random home invasion, but as you know, the Molestas have ways of getting weak people to do terrible things. While visiting friends in Maryland, he was poisoned and had serious cardiac problems for a day. He's gotten kind of publicly religious and strange since then because he said he saw the angelic lights when his heart stopped. "Alohim are real" he texted me. Since then, he vomits constantly and has panic attacks, I don't know what they poisoned him with but he seems different. Frail. Buzzfeed published a big nasty hit job on him last night and he finally lost it. All these Buzzfeed readers are contacting Youtube demanding his channel be removed because they read the article. He told me he deleted his Twitter because he can't take any more criticism or threats until his health recovers. Please pray for David. He's always been good to me and I hate to see them grinding him down into ashes while no one speaks up. I can't confirm any of this, but this same text has been posted in several places on the Internet. It might be BS, but it wiggles my paranoia antenna a little... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said: The [Buzzfeed] article is a blatant call for youtube's controlling content according to the author's desires. That's one viewpoint. I see the author's article as making a case that a lot of horseshit is spread on the Youtube platform, and Isn't It A Shame. He may desire that misinformation or hideous racist trash not be distributed, he may wish that Youtube could somehow better control the monstrous flood of videos, but is practical-minded about his blatancy. Although ... Quote Paul Joseph Watson · Works at Infowars Editor at Large How dare you equate me with neo-nazis, you utter fucking cunt. Both my grandfathers fought against Nazis in World War 2.You didn't even reach out for a comment either.This is why Buzzfeed is complete gutter trash.Fuck you until kingdom come. Blatant call for control ... Quote So what responsibility, if any, does YouTube bear for the universe of often conspiratorial, sometimes bigoted, frequently incorrect information that it pays its creators to host, and that is now being filtered up to the most powerful person in the world? Legally, per the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which absolves service providers of liability for content they host, none. But morally and ethically, shouldn’t YouTube be asking itself the same hard questions as Facebook and Twitter about the role it plays in a representative democracy? How do those questions change because YouTube is literally paying people to upload bad information? And practically, if YouTube decided to crack down, could it really do anything? YouTube does “demonitize” videos that it deems “not advertiser-friendly,” and last week, following a report in the Wall Street Journal that Disney had nixed a sponsorship deal with the YouTube superstar PewDiePie over anti-Semitic content in his videos, YouTube pulled his channel from its premium ad network. But such steps have tended to follow public pressure and have only affected extremely famous YouTubers. And it’s not like PewDiePie will go hungry; he can still run ads on his videos, which regularly do millions of views.Ultimately, the platform may be so huge as to be ungovernable: Users upload 400 hours of video to YouTube every minute. One possibility is drawing a firmer line between content the company officially designates as news and everything else; YouTube has a dedicated News vertical that pulls in videos from publishers approved by Google News. To wit, the conspiracy-news internet’s biggest stars, some of whom now enjoy New Yorker profiles and presidential influence, largely live on YouTube — some of them on the site’s news channel. Infowars — whose founder and host, Alex Jones, claims Sandy Hook didn’t happen, Michelle Obama is a man, and 9/11 was an inside job — broadcasts to 2 million subscribers on YouTube. So does Michael “Gorilla Mindset” Cernovich. So too do a whole genre of lesser-known but still wildly popular YouTubers, people like Seaman and Stefan Molyneux (an Irishman closely associated with the popular “Truth About” format). As do a related breed of prolific political-correctness watchdogs like Paul Joseph Watson and Sargon of Akkad (real name: Carl Benjamin), whose videos focus on the supposed hypocrisies of modern liberal culture and the ways they leave Western democracy open to a hostile Islamic takeover. As do a related group of conspiratorial white-identity vloggers like Red Ice TV, which regularly hosts neo-Nazis in its videos. “The internet provides people with access to more points of view than ever before,” YouTube wrote in a statement. “When it comes to news, we have thousands of news publishers that present a variety of viewpoints available on our news house channel, www.youtube.com/news. The videos here are featured using criteria informed by, among other things, Google News. We’re always taking feedback so we can continue to improve and present as many perspectives at a given moment in time as possible.” Edited February 27, 2017 by william.scherk "simply" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I can't wait until William has an awakening of spirit and starts condemning and mocking human trafficking rings when they try to mask their creepy activities instead of focusing on one pizza parlor and fringe folks who talk about that. For now, I guess we have different views of social justice. I'm for protecting abused children. He's for protecting pizza parlors. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, william.scherk said: Although ... Quote Paul Joseph Watson · Works at Infowars Editor at Large How dare you equate me with neo-nazis, you utter fucking cunt. Both my grandfathers fought against Nazis in World War 2.You didn't even reach out for a comment either.This is why Buzzfeed is complete gutter trash.Fuck you until kingdom come. Blatant call for control ... I don't see this as a call for control at all. I see it as a call to "leave me the hell alone." In fact, I see calling someone a Nazi to demonize them a blatant call for control. Like I mentioned above, it's elementary-level propaganda demonization. So I love how Paul Joseph Watson responds in the same spirit to people hell-bent on evil. The fact that he's got millions of followers adds teeth to it. Some folks are so brainwashed, they don't understand any other language. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 17 hours ago, william.scherk said: 23 hours ago, Morning Glory McGotcha said: You are so gullible. Trunk Wote! Woke! 17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 19 hours ago, william.scherk said: Michael sometimes likes to take small quotes, and this occasionally leads to misunderstanding. When no sense of an accompanying argument is left, I call this Truncquoating. 21 hours ago, Guy Two said: On 2/25/2017 at 3:32 PM, Guy One said: When a guy brought live arms into Comet Pizza... It's funny how that trumped up distraction ain't working, ain't it? I mean, I don't understand what Guy Two is saying. Is it my quote, the fact of an armed man at Comet Ping Pong, a distraction from some important point? Here's how it develops with some blanked-out context reinserted. You are normally better than this. Your post makes it look like that quote is from me and not you. Which quote? "President Trump is investigating pedophilia ties among the elite class and elsewhere." 17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Also, your misleading quote makes it seem like Trump announced something about Pizzagate. As far as I can tell, he has never said anything about Pizzagate. You are normally better than this. 17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 19 hours ago, william.scherk said: I mean, I don't understand what Guy Two is saying. William, Well, maybe you don't. But then again, I don't think you still understand why President Trump won. What does that have to do with the truncated quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I don't see this as a call for control at all. I see it as a call to "leave me the hell alone." I think that William meant "Blatant call for control..." to go with what followed, that is, his quoting the Buzzfeed text, not with the Paul Joseph Watson quote which preceded. He was disagreeing with my evaluation of the Buzzfeed text, of which he says: 4 hours ago, william.scherk said: [Ellen's is] one viewpoint. I see the author's article as making a case that a lot of horseshit is spread on the Youtube platform, and Isn't It A Shame. He may desire that misinformation or hideous racist trash not be distributed, he may wish that Youtube could somehow better control the monstrous flood of videos, but is practical-minded about his blatancy. Maybe the author is doubtful as to whether YouTube could control the content he wants controlled, but I think it's blatant that he's calling on YouTube to try to control it. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: Which quote? William, This: "President Trump announced that federal agencies will be bringing Pizzagate! criminals to justice (or, "President Trump Holds Anti-Human Trafficking Meeting 2/23/17")." You labeled it as being quoted from "One Guy." Then you followed with the normal post: "Michael sometimes likes to take small quotes..." To a reader who is not following this thread from the beginning and not blissfully engrossed in every little morsel of wisdom from your mouth and mine, but instead has just showed up to see what the fuss is about, it looks like you were quoting me and renaming me to "One Guy." And your ensuing comment makes it look like that renamed quote is an example of how I "take small quotes." In other words, when you are going by two different names and quoting yourself, but didn't bother to tell anyone that's what you were doing, it's a natural to assume you are talking about someone else, especially when you did talk about someone else. For a reader showing up cold, it's a clusterfuck. And for the record, President Trump HAS NEVER "announced that federal agencies will be bringing Pizzagate! criminals to justice..." Nice try, but no cigar... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said: I think that William meant "Blatant call for control..." to go with what followed, that is, his quoting the Buzzfeed text, not with the Paul Joseph Watson quote which preceded. He was disagreeing with my evaluation of the Buzzfeed text... Ellen, If that's the case, I'm more than happy to be wrong. If for nothing else, just for the sheer pleasure of seeing another way William can be wrong. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: To a reader who is not following this thread [...] it looks like you were quoting me and renaming me to "One Guy." And your ensuing comment makes it look like that renamed quote is an example of how I "take small quotes." Thanks for thinking of the readers. You are normally better than this, Guy Two. Quote For someone showing up cold, it's a clusterfuck. The thread is a bizarre clusterfuck. We cannot get a straight answer out of Guy Two regarding The Truth of Pizzagate. Quote And for the record, President Trump HAS NEVER announced that federal agencies will be bringing Pizzagate! criminals to justice... Who are the Pizzagate! criminals, and what is wrong with people misinterpreting his remarks at the Listening Session? Why is the mainstream media ignoring Trump's pedophile arrests? And why can't you tell the difference between Guy One and Guy Two? On 2/26/2017 at 10:37 AM, I wonder which Guy said: President Trump is investigating pedophilia ties among the elite class and elsewhere. The mainstream media is silent on the president's investigation [...] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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