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Hunger: Not Always What it Seems -- Loren Lockman

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Loren Lockman supervises fasts. It seems from time to time he gets the fasters together and gives them an educational talk. You can get these talks on his youtube channel. Here he talks about what hunger is and what hunger is not.

0:30  Hunger is not felt in the belly.

1:00  He explains what those sensations in the belly mean.

4:20  He says symptoms are almost always evidence that the body is cleansing or healing. [ Be careful about accepting this statement as correct. Loren Lockman is more a risk taker than Alan Goldhamer.  Where Goldhamer would terminate a fast to avoid risk, Lockman might continue the fast to complete the healing.  Where Goldhamer would see a symptom as a real problem, Lockman might see the same symptom as cleansing or healing. ]

4:40  He mentions a poet who wrote something about fasting. "hidden sweetness in the stomach's emptiness" 

6:10  He had a conversation about hunger.

7:15  He describes a scientific study: food vs water.

7:50  He explains the similarity between hunger and thirst.

8:10  He says we are designed to get most of our water from food. [ He eats a lot of fruit. ]

9:30  He started fasting 20 years ago; he fasted 2+ years of his life cumulatively; he ate a raw vegan fruit based diet for 22+ years. He is virtually never hungry. If he goes a day without food, he is still not hungry.

10:33  Back to the former theme that symptoms are not hunger.

11:20  Question from an audience member. Is it true that most people never experienced hunger? [ Dr. Herbert Shelton (who supervised 40,000 fasts) says YES. ] Lockman says 'many' people instead of 'most' people.

11:55  Another question from the audience. About stomach shrinking. Stomach is fist size to begin with. Doesn't need to shrink. Has amazing ability to expand.

12:30  He talks about smoothies. Thumbs down on smoothies.

13:05  Long distance running (needing more calories). That much physical activity probably not good for health. Animals don't exercise that way and do fine without.

 

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Poor guy looks like he is sick and starving. He looks worse in every video. Somebody should make him a sandwich.

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This lecture has little or nothing to do with hunger as Loren Lockman counts hunger but it's about the way most people eat, to fill the stomach.

I will save you 1 hr 20 min of listening. The whole lecture is about 2 rules:

Rule 1:  The key number to remember is 550. Why 550? If you eat to fill the stomach (whatever that means, because the stomach starts small and then stretches), then on average you should eat food that averages 550 calories per pound. The number can be adjusted to your activity. If you are physically active, you can increase the number to 600 or 650 or 700 and eat foods of more calorie density. If you are sedentary, you should decrease the number to 500 or 450 or 400 and eat foods of less calorie density.

Rule 2:  Eat foods of lower calorie density first. That way you don't have enough room in your stomach to eat too much foods of high calorie density.

Now you know the main points of the entire 1 hr and 20 min. The rest is details that you can figure out for yourself with a few numbers and a little simple math, and you don't need to bother listening to the video. But here it is anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg

This is what the video is about.

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-- the man's name is Jeff Novick, and he has a useful website, JeffNovick.com, which includes his CV. It is extremely impressive, compared to ''Starve in the Jungle!" Loren Lockman, whose expertise is in his mind.  The only quacktasticky connection is with Dr McDougall, he of the Starch, Starcher, Starchest! line of food flummery. See, for example, My Escape from Vegan Island ...

Highlights from the Novick CV:

 Florida State Medical Board, Licensed Dietitian/Nutritionist, 1998 – Present

Indiana State University, Terre Haute, Indiana
Masters of Science Degree in Food and Nutrition, August 2000
Bachelor of Science Degree in Dietetics (Minor in Exercise Physiology), May 1995

Territory Manager, (June 1985 - November 1988)
Kraft Foods, Noblesville, Indiana
* Established, penetrated and managed all foodservice related business in central Illinois
* Increased weekly sales volume 75% from ~$20,000 to $35,000.
* Awarded Kraft Most Valuable Territory Manager 1986

Clinical Dietetics Instructor, (August 1995 - December, 1997)
Indiana State University, Terre Haute, Indiana
* Supervised and instructed the senior undergraduate and graduate dietetics
 students during their hospital internship
* Responsible for reviewing and assessing student performance during patient
 assessment, evaluation, and education of hospital patients
Health Educator and Nutrition Counselor, (July 1987 - December, 1995)
Center For Wholism, Bloomington, Indiana & Terre Haute, Indiana
Nutritional Health Research Institute, Urbana, Illinois
* Developed personal nutrition, fitness and stress management programs for a wide variety
of clients
* Authored monthly nutrition column for community newsletter
* Established and facilitated 3 community-based health and nutrition resource groups
* Instructed classes, seminars, and groups in nutrition, fitness, stress- management, menu
planning and cooking

Director of Nutrition, (February 1998 – November 2007)
Pritikin Longevity Center, Aventura, Florida
* Instruct classes, groups, and individuals in the prevention, management and reversal
 of disease through nutrition and lifestyle modification
* Organize and coordinate programming between various educational departments.
* Created and updated all medical and nutrition lectures

Nutritionist/Dietitian (January 2008 - Present)
The McDougall Program, Santa Rosa, California
* Instruct classes, groups, and individuals in the prevention, management and reversal
 of disease through nutrition and lifestyle modification
* Created and updated all nutrition lectures
* Facilitate and moderate an online support group forum
Nutrition Lecturer (March 2010 - Present)
The Engine 2 Program, Santa Rosa, California
* Instruct classes, groups, and individuals in the prevention, management and reversal
 of disease through nutrition and lifestyle modification
* Created and updated all nutrition lectures

Jeffrey S. Novick, MS, RD, LD, LN

Edited by william.scherk

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Jeff Novick is associated with vegsource, which is a snakepit of quacks, as most people would call them. This association disqualifies him according to conventional reasoning. He is associated with "Starve at TrueNorth!" Alan Goldhamer.

I hold to the view that a statement is true or false according to whether it is true or false, not according to whether it is generally accepted or approved by government or approved by authority.

Loren Lockman and Alan Goldhamer have different styles but neither believes in starvation.

Fasting is a subject that most people know little or nothing about but that doesn't stop them from having an opinion about it. Most people in most well fed countries probably never went without food for more than a few hours or a day or 2 and maybe they think they can extrapolate and draw conclusions about 30 or 40 days and they think that is "extreme" or "starvation". The truth is there is a transition time from eating mode to fasting mode of typically 1 to 3 days. Most people never went past this transition time and therefore are likely to draw false conclusions about fasting from their experience.

Fasting is not starving and starving is not fasting. Any doctor who says otherwise is ignorant.

 

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In the video at the top of this thread, Loren Lockman says hunger is a tickling sensation in the throat. Is that true?

 

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Maybe it's not the stomach but the gut below talking to the mind. In the gut live trillions of bacteria. What do they want to eat?

--Brant

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An older one. Seems he is saying "hunger" (so-called, with quotes) means don't eat.

 

 

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