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Magnus Carlsen Blind & Timed Chess Simul

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Magnus Carlsen:

is world chess champion.

is world rapid chess champion.

is world blitz chess champion.

holds the record for the highest Elo rating of all time.

is the best chess player of all time according to Houdini, smallest average deviation from what Houdini thinks is the best move.

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is the best chess player of all time according to Houdini, smallest average deviation from what Houdini thinks is the best move.

Thats impressive

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Naturally I wonder if he has given any thought to other subjects and where he stands on some of the issues of the day.

At the end he said that he only had to keep one game in his mind at a time which is the key to his success and that he would need more time to give more consideration to other possible moves.

It is a very impressive display. I have encountered a rated player who happened to be a blind man so all of his games were in effect blindfolded.

Fun to watch a genius at work.

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I hope the kid is sane and healthy. Bobby Fischer was a nut case..

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I hope the kid is sane and healthy. Bobby Fischer was a nut case..

Bobby Fischer was not typical of great chess players in general. Most of them are quite sane.

Interviewer says to Carlsen, what scares me about you is that you are completely normal, not crazy like Bobby Fischer. Carlsen says, I'm only 22, give me a few years for the crazy to develop.

In Fischer's case, it seemed maybe there was some connection between being crazy and his ability to play chess. Maybe some imbalance in brain chemistry causing both. When Fischer was acting normal, people who knew him got worried about him. When he was acting crazy, they said God help Spassky.

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Carlsen's memory skills seem to be on the order of an idiot savant. The computer that beat Kasparov could not beat him until it is re-programmed for him, just as the computer guys threw everything at Kasparov by meticulously examining his best games--the games he drew or lost, not just won. Carlsen, however, seems almost to be a computer himself. Does he think strategy or is it just from current position? I admit, serious chess is way beyond me in all respects. I know of a very good chess player who could play 20 games at once who was beat by a 13 yo girl. When that happened, he pretty much gave up chess. He had hit his own chess wall.

--Brant

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Carlsen's memory skills seem to be on the order of an idiot savant. The computer that beat Kasparov could not beat him until it is re-programmed for him, just as the computer guys threw everything at Kasparov by meticulously examining his best games--the games he drew or lost, not just won. Carlsen, however, seems almost to be a computer himself. Does he think strategy or is it just from current position? I admit, serious chess is way beyond me in all respects. I know of a very good chess player who could play 20 games at once who was beat by a 13 yo girl. When that happened, he pretty much gave up chess. He had hit his own chess wall.

--Brant

In 1783 when Philidor played 3 games blindfold simultaneously, they collected signatures from witnesses because they thought future generations would not believe it. Now the record is from 32 to 52, depending on controversies.

When the time control is fast, like 10 seconds per move or make all your moves in 3 minutes, they rely heavily on intuition because there is little time for calculation. But the intuition of a super grandmaster is very good. Petrosian said, I know I am not in form when the first move I see is not the best move. When Anand was younger, he could consistently play grandmaster quality chess apparently taking zero time to think. A super grandmaster's intuitions are like Spock's guesses, "better than most people's facts" said McCoy.

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World chess champion Magnus Carlsen does a simul of 11 games with a time limit of 30 minutes for all games. Less than 3 minutes per game.

 

According to computer analysis (by Houdini) Carlsen is the best carbon based chess player in history. Yes, better than Fischer and Kasparov tho they are high scorers by computer analysis.

In November of this year Magnus Carlsen will defend his world title against challenger Sergey Karjakin. The opening ceremony is November 10. Karjakin holds the record for the youngest grandmaster in history at age 12.

 

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Magnus successfully defended his world title against Sergey Karjakin.

Prior to the match everybody was predicting Carlsen was the favorite to win, I guess based on Elo ratings and the record between them. Karjakin was confident that he had a realistic chance to win. Karjakin grew up in Ukraine but moved to Russia, I suspect a career enhancing move. Russia has better opportunities and support for chess players than Ukraine. I read that he had 5(!) coaches. The way he performed in the candidates tournament, he seemed to be the new improved Karjakin. So maybe Elo ratings and the record between them were not reliable indicators.

Karjakin's match strategy, by his own statement, was to play 'come and get me' (my expression, not his). Gone are the days when the world champion can retain his title on a drawn match. Karjakin wanted to exploit Magnus's tendency to overpush and risk losing. At the supreme level, psychology is important.

According to grandmaster comments and computer analysis (not mine):

One of Carlsen's tendencies is to play unusual moves in the opening to get his opponent out of preparation. At the supreme level, the first 5 or 10 or even 15 or 20 moves on each side might be preparation, nowadays  with the help of computers. Carlsen's style is to play the move that gives his opponent the most difficulty, which is not necessarily the same as the objectively best move. Kasparov said Carlsen angered Caissa (the goddess of chess) by his treatment of the opening.

Game 1 and 2 were not too aggressive draws, feeling each other, like in boxing someone said. Game 3 and 4, both games, Carlsen missed a win and drew. Game 7 was a draw. Grandmasters were commenting about Karjakin being a holy terror at defense (my expression).

Game 8, Carlsen had a draw; all he had to do was take it. He rejected the draw and went for a win. He overpressed and lost. Karjakin's match strategy bore fruit in game 8. Carlsen was so upset by this loss that he didn't show up for the press conference. After every game they were supposed to participate in the press conference.

Game 9 was a draw. Game 10 Karjakin had a draw; all he had to do was take it. Karjakin rejected the draw, hoping that Carlsen would overpress and lose. Carlsen pressed for the win and won, evening the score.

Game 11 was a draw. Game 12 was the last game before tiebreak and Carlsen was expected to press for a win. But it was a tame 30 move draw. Carlsen decided against risking losing and went for a better chance in the tiebreak.

The tiebreak consisted of 4 rapid games. Carlsen happens to be the world rapid chess champion. Game 1 and 2, draws. Carlsen won 3 and 4, retaining his world chess title,

This is the last move in the match. White to move and checkmate in 2. Nice move.

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On the question of who is the best carbon based chess player of all time. Up until recently there was no way to prove it, only opinion. You know the saying about opinions. Opinions are like ass holes; everyone has one. Now with modern technology we have something resembling evidence.

Stockfish is the current TCEC champion, which means it is the strongest chess engine and it is about 400 or 500 Elo rating points stronger than the strongest human. They put Stockfish to work analyzing the games of the great chess players, measuring their strength as average deviation from what Stockfish thinks is the best move. This method of evaluation makes predictions "extremely close" to the actual results and is more accurate than the Elo rating system.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/ranking-chess-players-according-to-the-quality-of-their-moves

This is the result.

http://en.chessbase.com/thumb/65651

[ supposed to be a picture here ]

Notice Magnus Carlsen, the black line with the triangles.

How well would these guys do if they were brought together at the height of their power? Scroll down in the first link and see a diagram. It says Carlsen would beat Fischer with a score of 54%. ( Based on 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss, 0.5 each for a draw )

But I think there is something Stockfish does not know. If Bobby Fischer was brought back from dead, at the height of his power, and if he went back to the old chess ( he wanted to play Fischer random chess ), he would update himself on modern opening theory. He said in an interview that opening theory is "enormously powerful" not only to play the opening better but also to play the middlegame better. So it is not certain that Carlsen would score 54% against Fischer.

Fischer said if he had the advantages that modern chess players have ( chess engines, internet, databases ), he would have become grandmaster at age 10 instead of age 15.

 

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1 hour ago, jts said:

 

A TED talk by Kasparov, world chess champion 1985 - 2000.

 

Kasparov   (or the machine that wrote his speech for him)  is positively brilliant!

All kidding aside now.  Kasparov has made the essential point.  Humans seek out new domains to conquer and use.  Machines are their tools. Men cannot fly, but machine can.  Men decide where to go and what to look for.  Machines carry the men and do the messy scut work for men.  

To fear machines....   Does it make sense to fear a vacuum cleaner because it does a much better job of cleaning stains and particles than a man with a mop or a broom? 

I loved the way Gary  referenced John Henry.  John Henry was a steel driving man.  He should have become the man who makes better steel drivers. 

And now on another note.   Machines can be programmed to check the validity of proofs for mathematical theorems that men  think up.   A machine has yet to discover an important theorem to prove.  So far no machine, in, of and by itself has created any new mathematics  But proof checkers are damned handy to have around.  They can spot errors in human proofs much more efficiently than human error checkers.

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7 hours ago, jts said:

Interview and simul.

 

 

Amazing!  He keeps all the games he is playing in his head and does not confuse any of them!  Every now and again  we get to see how "mind blowing"  the human brain is. 

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26 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said:

Amazing!  He keeps all the games he is playing in his head and does not confuse any of them!  Every now and again  we get to see how "mind blowing"  the human brain is. 

Did you watch the video?  This time it was not blind. But it was a crazy fast time control.

 

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4 hours ago, jts said:

Did you watch the video?  This time it was not blind. But it was a crazy fast time control.

 

Even so, he has to switch context very fast.  I have seen him playing blind also.  Amazing!

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