Gary Yourofsky vs cruelty to animals


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14:60

About here he starts talking about empathy. Then he shows a 4 minute graphic about cruelty to animals and asks you to not turn away or close your eyes.

After the 4 minute graphic, he does a graphical description of cruelty to animals.

22:00

He blames meat eaters.

27:00

He says we are by nature herbivores.

Then he gets into health and ecology.

40:00

About here he starts bashing the dairy industry.

"If people would eat an apple or a pear once in a while, nobody would need help taking a shit."

43:40

"Root cause of world hunger - meat eating societies."

45:00

About being a vegan. Products. Fake meat. I don't know why fake meat.

54:00

I skipped the fake meat and fake cheese products. Makes no sense to me.

He continues to bash the dairy industry.

55:00

Hen's menstruation cycle (eggs) and bee vomit (honey).

58:00

What's your excuse now?

1:00:00

Back to the dairy industry. About cows.

1:00:45

"WARNING: Disturbing Content. Viewer Discretion is Advised."

1:04:20

Back to speaking. He is fired up. This is not an isolated incident. He blames meat eaters. More bashing the dairy industry. Cows make milk for the calf.

1:10:00

Q and A is next. Not included in this video.

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14:60

About here he starts talking about empathy. Then he shows a 4 minute graphic about cruelty to animals and asks you to not turn away or close your eyes.

After the 4 minute graphic, he does a graphical description of cruelty to animals.

22:00

He blames meat eaters.

27:00

He says we are by nature herbivores.

Then he gets into health and ecology.

40:00

About here he starts bashing the dairy industry.

"If people would eat an apple or a pear once in a while, nobody would need help taking a shit."

43:40

"Root cause of world hunger - meat eating societies."

45:00

About being a vegan. Products. Fake meat. I don't know why fake meat.

54:00

I skipped the fake meat and fake cheese products. Makes no sense to me.

He continues to bash the dairy industry.

55:00

Hen's menstruation cycle (eggs) and bee vomit (honey).

58:00

What's your excuse now?

1:00:00

Back to the dairy industry. About cows.

1:00:45

"WARNING: Disturbing Content. Viewer Discretion is Advised."

1:04:20

Back to speaking. He is fired up. This is not an isolated incident. He blames meat eaters. More bashing the dairy industry. Cows make milk for the calf.

1:10:00

Q and A is next. Not included in this video.

By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation. Those are flesh tearing teeth.

Humans are omnivores.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation. Those are flesh tearing teeth.

Humans are omnivores.

Ba'al Chatzaf

He mentions that in the video and I told you where. I guess you are not sufficiently interested in an answer to your question to listen to him in that part of the video.

I have a counter question for you. Look at this chimp's canine teeth.

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How do you explain the canine teeth of chimps?

Chimps have better canine teeth than humans have. Human canine teeth are laughable. According to your reasoning, chimps should eat more meat than humans should eat. But 2 studies showed that wild chimps eat about 60% fruit and about 25% leaves and the small remainder of the diet is insects, blossoms, bark, eggs, and misc. They do eat a small amount of meat but some don't and do well without. Humans with canine teeth less canine should be less carnivorous than chimps. Human canine teeth are almost completely useless for tearing flesh.

You might say (as someone did) that chimp canine teeth are not for eating but for fighting. Then how do you know that human canine teeth are for eating?

The truth probably is that humans should eat a small amount of animal source food, enough for B12. It seems obvious that humans are not well adapted to -large- amounts of protein and uric acid and methionine.

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BaalChatzaf, on 27 Apr 2015 - 6:18 PM, said:snapback.png

By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation. Those are flesh tearing teeth.

If anatomy dictates function, why do male dogs have nipples?

An analogy too far.

--Brant

why do men--in case Bruce Jenner needs them?

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BaalChatzaf, on 27 Apr 2015 - 6:18 PM, said:snapback.png

By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation. Those are flesh tearing teeth.

If anatomy dictates function, why do male dogs have nipples?

An analogy too far.

Too far? If an anatomical feature of a member of a species exists only because it performs a specific task, then it is fair to ask just what that task is. Men and chimpanzees both have pointed, conical teeth. Why? Male and female dogs both have nipples. Why? If form indeed follows function in biology, the second question is just as pertinent as the first.

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BaalChatzaf, on 27 Apr 2015 - 6:18 PM, said:snapback.png

By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation. Those are flesh tearing teeth.

If anatomy dictates function, why do male dogs have nipples?

An analogy too far.

Too far? If an anatomical feature of a member of a species exists only because it performs a specific task, then it is fair to ask just what that task is. Men and chimpanzees both have pointed, conical teeth. Why? Male and female dogs both have nipples. Why? If form indeed follows function in biology, the second question is just as pertinent as the first.

Most of us know logic101, I suppose, and a few of us even use it, I have to suppose except for you. In the case of nipples it's merely a cheaper way to make a male dog--or a man--to make sure the females get theirs for nursing. Or, there is no additional cost while getting the male rid of them would involve tremendous evolutionary cost. And for what? To support some bad logic? If I understand correctly the fetus starts out female then some hormone kicks in making the girl into a boy and Dad is responsible for the child's sex. So the nipples are left over. Besides, female humans like them on their guys. Go ask them! I know, female dogs don't care, but humans use the missionary position a lot. There is room for esthetics in biology. If babies weren't cute we'd kill 'em in their cribs and the species too and the most to be hoped for would be a kind of Planet of the Apes with no Charlton Heston rocketing in.

--Brant

Bob, we know we're meat eaters because we eat meat so stop already about the teeth--the video guy seems to be a wacko

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Then we may conclude that certain anatomical features exist not to perform particular tasks required for the survival of the species but as evolutionary vestiges. Thus the existence of canine teeth in humans proves that humans must be meat eaters to the same degree that nipples in male dogs prove that male dogs must nurse puppies.

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Sometimes yes and sometimes no. You are using logic to power yourself into ignorance unless you're being sarcastic about what Bob started with. Then you are showing up what Bob did. This is called beating a dead horse. I started by calling it an analogy too far. I was being figurative there too. You can throw all the logic at me you want, though why you're arguing with someone who mostly agrees with you is a wonder. Let's step away and see what Bob does, since he says he's so good with these constructs.

--Brant

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The best way to banish ignorance is to present facts to the contrary. The best way to dispel bad logic is with good logic.

However, your statement about nipples being "a cheaper way to make a male dog--or a man--to make sure the females get theirs for nursing" in no way undermines my argument:

Canine teeth in humans prove that humans must be meat eaters? Not any more so than nipples in male dogs prove that male dogs must nurse puppies.

Why a person would argue with someone with whom he mostly agrees is indeed a wonder. That is why I am still marveling at your Post #8.

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The best way to banish ignorance is to present facts to the contrary. The best way to dispel bad logic is with good logic.

However, your statement about nipples being "a cheaper way to make a male dog--or a man--to make sure the females get theirs for nursing" in no way undermines my argument:

Canine teeth in humans prove that humans must be meat eaters? Not any more so than nipples in male dogs prove that male dogs must nurse puppies.

Why a person would argue with someone with whom he mostly agrees is indeed a wonder. That is why I am still marveling at your Post #8.

the canine and bicuspid dentatation enables human to chew and tear flesh. It does not dictate their diet.

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The second photo implies major teeth work by a dental specialist involving removal of four teeth for starters to make room to move the teeth around and reset the weak profile of the jaw line.

--Brant

happened to me by Dr. Charles H. Tweed in the late 1950s--he created the technique--and tearing meat must have been made much easier by cooking it first (were humans vegetarians before they invented fire?)

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The best way to banish ignorance is to present facts to the contrary. The best way to dispel bad logic is with good logic.

However, your statement about nipples being "a cheaper way to make a male dog--or a man--to make sure the females get theirs for nursing" in no way undermines my argument:

Canine teeth in humans prove that humans must be meat eaters? Not any more so than nipples in male dogs prove that male dogs must nurse puppies.

Why a person would argue with someone with whom he mostly agrees is indeed a wonder. That is why I am still marveling at your Post #8.

the canine and bicuspid dentatation enables human to chew and tear flesh. It does not dictate their diet.

Makes sense.

Apparently, in Southern Chile they have unearthed a "strange" family of dinosaur, who are in the same gene line as T-Rex and were herbivores.

Named Chilesaurus diegosuarezi after 7-year-old Diego, the animal belongs to the theropod group of dinosaurs, which includes the carnivorous tyrannosaurs and velociraptors. But unlike its meat-eating cousins, Chilesaurus had switched diets and become a vegetarian. Meat eaters tend to have sharp teeth and large heads supported by thick necks. Chilesaurus had a horny beak, flatter teeth for chomping plants, a small head and slender neck. “It’s a therapod that turned vegetarian,” said Novas. Details are published in the journal, Nature.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/27/bizarre-jurassic-dinosaur-chilesaurus-diegosuarezi-discovered-in-remarkable-new-find

Some nice photos.

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The best way to banish ignorance is to present facts to the contrary. The best way to dispel bad logic is with good logic.

However, your statement about nipples being "a cheaper way to make a male dog--or a man--to make sure the females get theirs for nursing" in no way undermines my argument:

Canine teeth in humans prove that humans must be meat eaters? Not any more so than nipples in male dogs prove that male dogs must nurse puppies.

Why a person would argue with someone with whom he mostly agrees is indeed a wonder. That is why I am still marveling at your Post #8.

the canine and bicuspid dentatation enables human to chew and tear flesh. It does not dictate their diet.

Now we have an answer to your question of Post #3.

Your question: By nature herbivores? How does he explain the canine teeth and bicuspids in human dentation[?]

Your answer: The canine and bicuspid dentatation enables human to chew and tear flesh. It does not dictate their diet.

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--Brant

Bob, we know we're meat eaters because we eat meat so stop already about the teeth--the video guy seems to be a wacko

We are meat eaters by habit and not by necessity. We are also veggie eaters by habit and not by necessity. Which is why we are called omnivores. We eat anything that goes down and pleases us.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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--Brant

Bob, we know we're meat eaters because we eat meat so stop already about the teeth--the video guy seems to be a wacko

We are meat eaters by habit and not by necessity. We are also veggie eaters by habit and not by necessity. Which is why we are called omnivores. We eat anything that goes down and pleases us.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Thanks for stopping. However your "not by necessity" and "not by necessity" illustrates "necessity"--the necessity of eating some damn thing.

--Brant

it's not rocks

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the canine and bicuspid dentatation  enables human to chew and tear flesh.

 

 

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Thanks for stopping. However your "not by necessity" and "not by necessity" illustrates "necessity"--the necessity of eating some damn thing.

--Brant

it's not rocks

Indeed and we can eat just about anything we can chew, swallow and digest. Which means we are not vegetarians by nature. Humans were consuming flesh as soon as they were able to scavenge corpses left by the other predators. Later on humans developed language so they could hunt as teams and became top predators thereby.

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Thanks for stopping. However your "not by necessity" and "not by necessity" illustrates "necessity"--the necessity of eating some damn thing.

--Brant

it's not rocks

Indeed and we can eat just about anything we can chew, swallow and digest. Which means we are not vegetarians by nature. Humans were consuming flesh as soon as they were able to scavenge corpses left by the other predators. Later on humans developed language so they could hunt as teams and became top predators thereby.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Ah, yes, road kill. Love them possums!

--Brant

at least that's what I call 'em

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TOPICS:

Leather shoes, fake leather.

Holocaust. Animal holocaust worse than human holocaust.

Lion sniff each other's ass. You did not sniff my ass.

2 minutes to convince me that I shouldn't eat meat. Horror story follows.

If humans were removed from the planet, everything else would benefit. If bees died off ....

Vegans are more ethical.

Meat the major cause of every disease.

Hitler was not a vegetarian.

Abuse of animals.

Why he is called a terrorist.

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