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Dr. Herbert Shelton wrote somewhere that bodybuilders are seldom healthy. Chyna (female wrestler, 9th wonder of the world) said that bodybuilding is one of the unhealthiest things you can do. I have no comment on these statements; I neither agree nor disagree.

The following information came as a surprise to me.

Here is a picture list of dead bodybuilders. Scroll down to see them.

http://muscleoutcast.com/details.php?catID=1&linkk=DMW

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Taking steroids is one of the unhealthiest things you can do. But two of the most famous bodybuilders in the days before steroids, Charles Atlas and Jack Lalane, lived long lives.

The used purely natural methods to get their muscles to grow. The steroid users are lazy and impatient. They want what appear to be the same results but faster and with less effort.

Ba'al Chatzaf

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There is a story, told by the narrator of the videos in the first post in this thread, about a bodybuilder who lost his testicles by taking too much testosterone to enhance his bodybuilding. His testicles quit producing testosterone because his body already had enough. His testicles atrophied. And they atrophied to the point where he lost them.

Which brings us to the subject of diabetes and insulin. T2 diabetes can be reversed many ways: Dr. McDougall's starch based diet, Dr. Fuhrman's nutritarian diet, fasting, even rice and sugar diet (a very poor diet but it reverses t2 diabetes), probably almost any half ass decent protocol.

But there is a limit. Dr. Shelton refused to take diabetics who were on insulin too long. Insulin (injected) tends to cause atrophy of the body's ability to make insulin. At some point this atrophy is so extreme that the disease is irreversible.

 

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I knew someone who played football in college and took steroids. He was massive and fast. Then I saw him walking slowly around the campus and he had turned grayish looking and sickly. He died. I think some of his inner organs failed but I don't know if it was from impurities.

Peter 

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On 1/14/2017 at 11:20 AM, jts said:

Which brings us to the subject of diabetes and insulin. T2 diabetes can be reversed many ways: Dr. McDougall's starch based diet, Dr. Fuhrman's nutritarian diet, fasting, even rice and sugar diet (a very poor diet but it reverses t2 diabetes), probably almost any half ass decent protocol.

But there is a limit. Dr. Shelton refused to take diabetics who were on insulin too long. Insulin (injected) tends to cause atrophy of the body's ability to make insulin. At some point this atrophy is so extreme that the disease is irreversible.

Here's some interesting light shone on fasting and diabetes: Fasting diet 'regenerates diabetic pancreas'

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[...] Dr Valter Longo, from the University of Southern California, said: "Our conclusion is that by pushing the mice into an extreme state and then bringing them back - by starving them and then feeding them again - the cells in the pancreas are triggered to use some kind of developmental reprogramming that rebuilds the part of the organ that's no longer functioning."

There were benefits in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes in the mouse experiments.

Type 1 is caused by the immune system destroying beta cells and type 2 is largely caused by lifestyle and the body no longer responding to insulin.

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Interesting.

I read an article some time ago talking about "intermittent fasting." This means limiting the time you eat during the day, basically cutting out breakfast or cutting out supper. As the article said people who do this live longer, I decided to give it a try.

I went for the 14 hour model. This means after the last time I eat during the day, I will only eat 14 hours or more later. I can have water or black coffee or tea or other non-caloric drinks in the down time, but no food.

I found three very interesting things:

1. If I don't eat fatty, starchy or sugary foods at night, I don't feel hungry in the morning period before I can eat again. If I do eat those kinds of food at night, the hunger in the morning is almost unbearable.

2. My body seems to go follow a long-range wave where I feel a lot better lightly breaking the fast for a day or two during a longer period. This generally happens every 15-20 days or so. When I first detected this, I pushed through the bad feelings and kept to the intermittent fast. But I saw I trashed my day on those days with an overall sense of weakness. Emotionally, a kind of anger and resentment builds up automatically. So I tried breaking the fast for a day, then going back to it the next. That worked better than I expected. By trial and error, I'm coming up with a plan that feels real good. I don't have it quantified or anything. I just go on feel, but I notice that by feel alone, I usually do a one-to-two day break of the intermittent fast every 15-20 days. And I like it.

3. Speaking of feeling good, I lost some weight doing this. And I no longer get lethargic. At night, I get tired, but not that stuffy sense of brain fog I used to have all the time. I only get that brain fog these days when I overeat starchy, fatty and/or sugary foods. (I'm not always a good boy. :) )

I think constant stimulus to the digestive system doesn't give it time to rest or clean out properly. And intermittent fasting gives it some quality time it needs. That's my layman's oversimplification. But it's based on the positive results I'm getting in my own little half-assed experiment on my own body.

Michael

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I usually don't eat past 6 PM. Prior to that it can be meat, fish, eggs, vegetables and nuts. For drinks it's green or dandelion tea and filtered water. I feel good and my weight remains the same, 34 waist....no complaints here. ---J

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16 minutes ago, Backlighting said:

I usually don't eat past 6 PM. Prior to that it can be meat, fish, eggs, vegetables and nuts. For drinks it's green or dandelion tea and filtered water. I feel good and my weight remains the same, 34 waist....no complaints here. ---J

My cutoff time for food is 7:00 pm

after 8:00 I drink only herbal tea or water.  No black tea or caffein since this interferes with sleep.

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Pro bodybuilders are at their unhealthiest a few days before a competitive event. Their body fat (mens) is usually around 3-4% and they refrain from drinking any water 24 hrs. before competition. A friend of mine, who was a pro bodybuilder and won the Calif. State championship in the mid 80's got me down to 9% body fat. It was a struggle to keep my daily carb intake to no more than 20 grams, supersetting (no rest) between each weight exercise (I trained with him, pumping about a third of the weight he was using) and drinking about 3 quarts of water daily. Add to that 25 minutes of cardio a day. Not fun. At that time I looked gaunt... no thanks.

A fitness model I was dating at that time also used the same intensive training & very low carb eating regimen. She was buffed but also had that gaunt facial look. Less the face she looked great, however, in a bikini. ---J

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